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Old 18th Jan 2017, 06:10
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Flying low over flaminoges is taking a big risk of a bird strike, never mind the rules.
Avoiding taxiing into stationary helicopters is another.
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Old 18th Jan 2017, 22:28
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How much of that airframe flew again.
Well at least the manufacturers data plate did.

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Old 19th Jan 2017, 01:18
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This is one of the small pieces of the puzzle that needs looking into further as a side project.

wayback time machine web archive shows some strange activity.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160423..._stearman.html

Up to April 2016 the website showed a list of aircraft that 3G had up for sale and there were hyper links to the Manufacturer Plates for these aircraft. If you click on the 23rd April date on the wayback calendar you can still access these images.

The snapshot taken 30 Oct 2016 still had these aircraft listed but the hyperlinks had been removed - you cannot see the MP images.

The date is important, because this topic wasraised again in detail on here on 29th October 2016 in post #2280. http://www.pprune.org/private-flying...ml#post9560254

Coincidence?...perhaps. Just another loose thread that could unravel if pulled in the right direction. It would certainly explain a lot.
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 02:29
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I think it is a different plane that showed up at Farnborough after the crash to the one that was wrecked in AZ. My reason for thinking this is I looked at the instrument panel on the crash pics and although dusty there was no panel or instrment damage, however there was a very slight mark on the case of one of the instruments, the mark is not visible on the plane in the Farnborough pics. If he was "rebuilding" the crashed plane why would he change out undamaged instruments? Plus TCT fawning over "her" lovely Spirit of Artemis and praising the Engineers to the high heavens in a breathless manner for the record breaking rebuild seemed a bit phony.It would cost $8k and take 30 days time to throw it in a container and ship it back to Austria, I'd imagine it would cost 10'times that to have it flown back. Why would you spend that money if you had a copy in the hangar in Austria? Wonder what the insurance were billed for?

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Old 19th Jan 2017, 11:16
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Article from 09/Jan/2017.
Flying High: Is the best place to view the world from space?

"Tracey Curtis Taylor of ĎBird in a Biplaneí travels across borders and views the world from a different height."

"Itís not just about one career, every job Iíve had has been a different life ,Iíve had many lives in many countries " - Walter Mitty/Schizophrenic ?
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 16:19
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N56200 is a bit of a "Trigger's broom" anyway.

Looks like it was restored from the wreckage of an earlier crash at Saint-Hubert in September 2012.

Chute d?avion ŗ l?aťrodrome de SAINT HUBERT : Secours Luxembourg

No matter what is said on here, they certainly know how to restore wrecks to their former glory.
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 16:59
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Agreed "N56200 is a bit of a "Trigger's broom"" BUT who owns it ? In video (#3438) T C-T clearly says "MY own aeroplane" but FAA registry says N56200 is owned by 3G CLASSIC AVIATION INC - is this T C-T's company ?
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Old 19th Jan 2017, 19:33
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The links below give some indication as to the 3G CLASSIC AVIATION INC. interest in N56200. There is a link to the expeditions flown by TCT plus a rider from Ewald which is not dated.

http://www.stearman.at/

http://www.stearman.at/Expeditions.html

http://www.stearman.at/Statement_SR.html
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 09:38
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Some very pointed comments in the article in one of those links.

Apparently Sam didn't do a very good job of the logistics on the African trip and fuel contamination caused the whoopsie in Winslow AZ. Both are bold statements, Sam's name isn't mentioned but there's no prizes for guessing.

You have to wonder that they haven't left themselves open to legal challenges. I doubt Sam or the fuel supplier at Winslow would be happy to have their reputations tarnished like this.

Who owns 3G Classsic Aviation Inc?
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 11:54
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"Itís not just about one career, every job Iíve had has been a different life ,Iíve had many lives in many countries " - Walter Mitty/Schizophrenic ?
This is the sort of thing that will get the thread taken down. Are you a doctor?

TCT has upset a lot of people with her escapades and what happened, where, and with who.

I've not met many Civilian Pilots, but have met many RAF aircrew. I know there are some bad apples but to a man the one's I met were typically professional, unassuming and even, dare I say it, modest. (Harrier Jocks aside )

Aviation has no comparable industry in the World. My mind boggles when I look at FR24 or similar. Aircraft of all types, from the 787's flying halfway round the world to someone in a Cessna trying to do a navex to Devon.

All those machines, all those aircrew, ATC, Support staff at Airports all over the world, all the things that can go wrong and yet disaster is so rare we pour over the reasons for mishaps and crashes.

So what did TCT do that has raised the ire of that body of people who are involved with Aviation?

I believe she simply broken the unwritten rule of Aviation. Don't big yourself up when you have not walked the walk. If you cannot perform the mission you Man up and walk away from it.

It is that sense of Honour that has been shown to be lacking. In most people that doesn't matter very much I suppose, but in my mind for a pilot it is the one trait that must be there, it has to be first and foremost.

To the poster who I quoted above, I apologise if this has come across as a pop at you. But it did make me think about why I follow this thread.

I'll get off my soap box now.

Good weekend everyone.
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 12:29
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Originally Posted by ExRAFRadar View Post


So what did TCT do that has raised the ire of that body of people who are involved with Aviation?

I believe she simply broken the unwritten rule of Aviation. Don't big yourself up when you have not walked the walk. If you cannot perform the mission you Man up and walk away from it.
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I think you answered you own question there Rads.

I believe this is the main reason for the contempt of her in this thread and others.

(I am not a Doctor by the way, (I hope you don't ask that to anyone who offers you a Kleenex after sneezing ), but would love to sit with her and have a 1 on 1 chat with her, negative Champagne).

She has, and still remains to "big herself up" and continues to get the support of those who are out for their own E-go's

It has been said multiple times now that if T-C-T were to openly acknowledge her errors and make a formal apology the matter will more than likeley close itself.

She has not made any attempt at an apology and continues along with her cohorts to tangle a web of lies and deceipt.

A lot of people have been duped by her and a lot of others have become embarrased by her.

The ball is still in her court now.

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Old 20th Jan 2017, 12:45
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Aviators could do worse than to adopt the USAFA Honor Code:

We will not lie, steal or cheat, nor tolerate among us anyone who does.
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 12:59
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ROYAL AIR FORCE CORE VALUES

l Respect: Mutual and Self Respect
l Integrity: Moral Courage - Honesty - Responsibility - Justice
l Service: Physical Courage - Loyalty - Commitment - Teamwork
l Excellence: Personal Excellence - Discipline - Pride
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 13:11
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I echo those values, which is why - amongst a ton of other stuff - I have the right hump about the all too real military connections.
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 13:12
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BUT who owns it ? In video (#3438) T C-T clearly says "MY own aeroplane" but FAA registry says N56200 is owned by 3G CLASSIC AVIATION INC - is this T C-T's company ?
Many people use the same term when refering to borrowed or assigned equipment. I know many people who say "my car" when refering to a company car, and I heard several harrier pilots routinely refer to the aeroplane they usually flew as "my aeroplane" (when it actually belonged to a little old lady who lived in a central london council house). I refer to the laptop I'm currently typing this on as "my laptop" when it actually belongs to my employer.

I wouldn't want to pick on her for that.

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Old 20th Jan 2017, 13:18
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
Many people use the same term when refering to borrowed or assigned equipment. I know many people who say "my car" when refering to a company car, and I heard several harrier pilots routinely refer to the aeroplane they usually flew as "my aeroplane" (when it actually belonged to a little old lady who lived in a central london council house). I refer to the laptop I'm currently typing this on as "my laptop" when it actually belongs to my employer.

I wouldn't want to pick on her for that.

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However, Ewald made this statement.

"Yes, this Boeing Stearman airplane is owned by Tracey Curtis-Taylor, who commissioned the restoration in 2012."

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Old 20th Jan 2017, 15:37
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Ewald owns 3G, and I'm treating his comments with the disdain they deserve!

If you can't discredit the story (because, ahem, it happens to be true), try to discredit the source...
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Old 20th Jan 2017, 17:42
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re "I know many people who say "my car" when referring to a company car," - agreed, but "MY OWN aeroplane" implies ownership to me. Also, "When I commissioned the restoration of MINE in 2012"and "I've had extra fuel tanks put in the top wing" and someone else posted that Ewald said it's T- C-T's. So why does FAA registry say N56200 is owned by 3G CLASSIC AVIATION INC ? Why is everything so opaque!!!
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Old 21st Jan 2017, 00:45
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I read Ewald's account as set out in the link given above and think it should, at least in part, be treated at it's face value.

Let's look at what he says:

1. The Stearman belongs to TCT.

Why should he lie about that? What does he gain? Absent other proof, I would be inclined to believe him, although the B in a B accounts don't seem to show it as an asset, so I presume that means that she owns it personally?

2. He says the TCT did all the flying using conventional navigation techniques e.g following roads etc.

How do we know she didn't?

The anecdotal evidence we have read earlier in this thread of difficulties she may have had navigating in the UK of course can have had no bearing on that.

3. He admits that he was in the plane for at least part of the journey(s) but claims he was just a passenger. Although many here may not believe that, who can say for sure that he isn't telling the truth? Why would he lie if ownership of the aircraft and the risk really was hers alone?

4. All of that suggests that there really is no story here, and that Ms Curtis-Taylor has nothing to hide and that there is nothing for which she needs to apologise.

Except that, despite all of this, she still refuses to provide direct answers to the three simple questions that remain before her.

Given the above: why is she so reticent, I wonder???
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Old 21st Jan 2017, 05:11
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The Stearman belongs to TCT.

Why should he lie about that? What does he gain? Absent other proof, I would be inclined to believe him
The only trouble with that is the registration details and the accident report say the aircraft belongs to Ewald's company 3G, not to TCT, TCT is listed on the accident report as the operator on behalf of "Birdinabiplane". The aircraft does not belong to TCT despite what Ewald might proffer.
He says the TCT did all the flying using conventional navigation techniques e.g following roads etc.

How do we know she didn't?
Well, we know that's not fact, why else the high capability GPS systems in both cockpits? You suggesting they just had them in order to adjust the CoG.
All of that suggests that there really is no story here, and that Ms Curtis-Taylor has nothing to hide and that there is nothing for which she needs to apologise.
Sorry, the whole episode has been a scam. TCT lied about the "solo", and is shown by the subterfuge of the Farnborough departure giving the impression she was doing the flight "solo", along with her post Africa flight claiming she was "solo". There is just too much evidence that they can not, nor will not, explain.
Given the above: why is she so reticent, I wonder???
For the simple fact that she would have to admit publicly that it was all a scam and a pack of lies, and evidence shows it.

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