An Election Reminder
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I must admit, the older I get, the more I really can't be bothered listening to either side of the argument. It seems to me very obvious : it's all cyclical.
Labour inherit a fab economy : they wreck it : the Tories get in : they rebuild the economy, which usually causes hardship along the way : "the people" (most of whom have memories like goldfish) forget how bad things got under Labour, chuck the Tories out and put Labour in : Labour inherit a fab economy ....
Ah well. At least this time around things aren't quite as bad as in 1979 - at least you can still get the dead buried at the moment, and inflation hasn't hit 25% yet (hey Capn Smithy, how do you like those "double-digit figures" ?
Like I say, to me, it's obvious : the wheel has turned, and it's time to fix the economy - which means, like it or not, time for the Tories ...
As to Chris Grayling's proposals, I'm entirely sure they'll get instantly forgotten if they risk inconveniencing someone's day out shooting ...
Labour inherit a fab economy : they wreck it : the Tories get in : they rebuild the economy, which usually causes hardship along the way : "the people" (most of whom have memories like goldfish) forget how bad things got under Labour, chuck the Tories out and put Labour in : Labour inherit a fab economy ....
Ah well. At least this time around things aren't quite as bad as in 1979 - at least you can still get the dead buried at the moment, and inflation hasn't hit 25% yet (hey Capn Smithy, how do you like those "double-digit figures" ?
Like I say, to me, it's obvious : the wheel has turned, and it's time to fix the economy - which means, like it or not, time for the Tories ...
As to Chris Grayling's proposals, I'm entirely sure they'll get instantly forgotten if they risk inconveniencing someone's day out shooting ...
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Chris Grayling lives in Rookery Hill, Ashtead and I do not believe that there are any GA issues affecting him. There is a strip at Malden Rushett but it is very little used these days and is anyway far enough from his home that he would be unaware that any users come from there.
Ashtead does suffer somewhat from being just outside the LHR zone, in the BIG-OCK corridor, so it does get quite a bit of noise from transiting GA, both fixed and rotary, but much of the traffic will be from the nearby licenced fields, Farnborough, Biggin, Fairoaks, Redhill and Blackbushe and I am sure that Chris will not be responding to that.
No, I imagine that he is responding to political pressure related to perceived terrorism threats.
Ashtead does suffer somewhat from being just outside the LHR zone, in the BIG-OCK corridor, so it does get quite a bit of noise from transiting GA, both fixed and rotary, but much of the traffic will be from the nearby licenced fields, Farnborough, Biggin, Fairoaks, Redhill and Blackbushe and I am sure that Chris will not be responding to that.
No, I imagine that he is responding to political pressure related to perceived terrorism threats.
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Well I'm not going to base my vote on "someone said something to someone else privately"...I'm going to base it on the fact that Gordo the Insane has wasted BILLIONS of our money fighting an illegal war, getting our people killed, killing loads of foreigners in the process. Not only that he has wrecked the economy, lied to us, treats us like idiots, introduced 200 odd new security laws to monitor and question us, and frankly I am thoroughly fed up with the fat one eyed jock....Send him back to Scotland, they have their own parliament now....
In fact if he gets back in again, then I am leaving the country and taking my rather substantial contributions to the economy with me.....
In fact if he gets back in again, then I am leaving the country and taking my rather substantial contributions to the economy with me.....
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spot on englishal.
Timothy- what do you think Mr Grayling's motivation was for sharing this information with you? If it was the "threat" of terrorism from GA then one would hope that common sense prevails (what am I saying......)
If labour carry on much longer, then I would worry about the country's economic future.
Timothy- what do you think Mr Grayling's motivation was for sharing this information with you? If it was the "threat" of terrorism from GA then one would hope that common sense prevails (what am I saying......)
If labour carry on much longer, then I would worry about the country's economic future.
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englishal, the evidence suggests to me that Gordie didn't know that much about the war in advance, and may well not have approved of it. However I agree with pretty much all else you said. My problem is that I'm not convinced that the Tories are any better or more competent. Osborne does a very good impression of a moron, Dave is Blair-Lite, and we know about Grayling.
You can't get a feeler gauge between the economic policies of the two parties. I mean: the Tories are going to cut the debt. They'll do that by cutting public spending by cutting out waste and non-essential jobs, to be lost by natural wastage while maintaining essential front-line services. Labour are going to maintain essential front-line services. They'll pay for that by cutting non essential jobs by natural wastage in order to cut the debt. Hearing Evan Davies on the Today programme trying to get either party to explain their policies in a way that differentiates them in the tiniest respect from the other party has been revealing.
The Economist said last week that voters seem to think Labour deserves to lose the election but the Conservatives don’t deserve to win it.
You can't get a feeler gauge between the economic policies of the two parties. I mean: the Tories are going to cut the debt. They'll do that by cutting public spending by cutting out waste and non-essential jobs, to be lost by natural wastage while maintaining essential front-line services. Labour are going to maintain essential front-line services. They'll pay for that by cutting non essential jobs by natural wastage in order to cut the debt. Hearing Evan Davies on the Today programme trying to get either party to explain their policies in a way that differentiates them in the tiniest respect from the other party has been revealing.
The Economist said last week that voters seem to think Labour deserves to lose the election but the Conservatives don’t deserve to win it.
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From: Pembrokeshire UK
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http://www.power2010.org.uk/yourcandidates
It's the system itself that is the problem. We don't have democracy, we have an elected ditatorship run by a corupt political class composed of power hungry incompetants. The organisation above is attempting to change things by showing what needs to change. Trouble is, it requires politicians to act like turkeys voting for christmas.
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http://www.power2010.org.uk/yourcandidates
It's the system itself that is the problem. We don't have democracy, we have an elected ditatorship run by a corupt political class composed of power hungry incompetants. The organisation above is attempting to change things by showing what needs to change. Trouble is, it requires politicians to act like turkeys voting for christmas.
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There are always various measures talked about which will be deeply unpopular. Such is GA. Always a cloud somewhere...
Excessive / infeasible airfield security measures is one of them. The EASA anti-N-reg proposals (stripping thousands of pilots of IFR privileges) are another. The abolition of the IMC Rating is another...
I think the best way to look at this stuff is to weigh up the administrative / implementation difficulty against the political payoffs of implementation (which are often nil) and the political fallout of implementation (which are often significant).
Most such proposals don't get implemented (though they might run a suprisingly long way, because it is very hard to drop them without loss of face, and it takes time to develop an exit strategy which meets this fairly basic human requirement) but they do frighten a lot of people and galvanise a lot of debate - because one can never be quite 100% sure they won't actually do it.
Excessive / infeasible airfield security measures is one of them. The EASA anti-N-reg proposals (stripping thousands of pilots of IFR privileges) are another. The abolition of the IMC Rating is another...
I think the best way to look at this stuff is to weigh up the administrative / implementation difficulty against the political payoffs of implementation (which are often nil) and the political fallout of implementation (which are often significant).
Most such proposals don't get implemented (though they might run a suprisingly long way, because it is very hard to drop them without loss of face, and it takes time to develop an exit strategy which meets this fairly basic human requirement) but they do frighten a lot of people and galvanise a lot of debate - because one can never be quite 100% sure they won't actually do it.
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frankly I am thoroughly fed up with the fat one eyed jock....Send him back to Scotland, they have their own parliament now....
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The tories are already letting their squeaky-clean image drop (Lord Ashcroft, Chris Grayling); Labour are Labour - tired greedy old cronys who just lie and peddle. Voting for Labour feels plain wrong: Iraq, Afganistan, colluding with the Americans over torture and then systematically lying about it, umpteen 'security' laws that are really just an excuse to erode what is left of our basic human rights. But my gut feeling is that under the conservatives the vast majority of us will be worse off than we already are. £3 a week won't compensate for higher VAT, slashed public services, reduced tax credits etc etc
I am worried and more than a little suspicious by the fact that given how dire the state of affairs is in the UK, why are the Tories not offering more choice? Surely as the main opposition they should be shouting wildly at us all the things they are going to do to freshen this country up!
I am worried and more than a little suspicious by the fact that given how dire the state of affairs is in the UK, why are the Tories not offering more choice? Surely as the main opposition they should be shouting wildly at us all the things they are going to do to freshen this country up!
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Does anyone else think that this thread might just be a cynical attempt at electioneering?
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In fact if he gets back in again, then I am leaving the country and taking my rather substantial contributions to the economy with me.....
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From: Scotland
I too have no idea who to vote for. The bastards are all corrupted, the only thing they are in the least interested in is staying in power, they will all say anything that will get them votes. If they thought that legalising rape & paedophilia would get them elected they would do just that.
Minority communities like GA are at the mercy of every green, tree hugging, terror stricken, anti do anything remotely interesting, gutless, vote grabber, that is looking for someone to blame for the !!!!ehouse mess this country is in.
We have the "Green" lobby trying to cover the country with windfarms that don't produce enough power to pull the skin off a rice pudding, but the idea sounds good.
We have Lord Craplisle scaring the living !!!! out of people with threats of mass suicide attacks & drug running by GA.
It is high time this country had a revolution to demand some form of democratic rights. Our licences contain priveleges, not rights, we are given permissions, or we are allowed things. PPR to land an aircraft & pay a landing fee at a recognised airfield that the public can drive to without asking first??
Who gave these morons the right to treat people in this fashion?
Now we are governed by a bunch of Brussel Sprouts because we (our elected dictatorship) gave our country away. Gordo, Dave & Nick have nothing between them that will change anything for the better.
Put the whole lot on a boat, give it a push then sink the thing, Viking fashion.
Rant over.
Revert to apathetic mode.
Minority communities like GA are at the mercy of every green, tree hugging, terror stricken, anti do anything remotely interesting, gutless, vote grabber, that is looking for someone to blame for the !!!!ehouse mess this country is in.
We have the "Green" lobby trying to cover the country with windfarms that don't produce enough power to pull the skin off a rice pudding, but the idea sounds good.
We have Lord Craplisle scaring the living !!!! out of people with threats of mass suicide attacks & drug running by GA.
It is high time this country had a revolution to demand some form of democratic rights. Our licences contain priveleges, not rights, we are given permissions, or we are allowed things. PPR to land an aircraft & pay a landing fee at a recognised airfield that the public can drive to without asking first??
Who gave these morons the right to treat people in this fashion?
Now we are governed by a bunch of Brussel Sprouts because we (our elected dictatorship) gave our country away. Gordo, Dave & Nick have nothing between them that will change anything for the better.
Put the whole lot on a boat, give it a push then sink the thing, Viking fashion.
Rant over.
Revert to apathetic mode.
C1 - in that case you need to vote for your local UKIP candidate who is a keen PPL.