Trimming, Landing & Instructors - HELP!!!
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Yes Chuck,
I do agree about draggng the forum down, not matter how proud, even this forum can be undermined by a fool. I must say that the effort that we have expended, has at least for me anyway, been well rewarded by a number of good laughs! I can't help thinking that we are all the victims of a cunning joke, and we shuld be careful that the joke is rather passing near us, than actually on us!
Either way, David has a slim hope of flying more safely, as he will one day scare the dickens out of himself, and then begin to realize that our combined wisdom has some value after all! Until then, Rental Cessna nosewheels, and runway edges in the UK, watch out!
The opportunity to exchange ideas with experienced professionals on this forum is well worth enduring the occasional foolishness, which is also encountered, though I agree that there's not too much farther to take this...
I will continue to follow your posts with interest and appreciation...
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I do agree about draggng the forum down, not matter how proud, even this forum can be undermined by a fool. I must say that the effort that we have expended, has at least for me anyway, been well rewarded by a number of good laughs! I can't help thinking that we are all the victims of a cunning joke, and we shuld be careful that the joke is rather passing near us, than actually on us!
Either way, David has a slim hope of flying more safely, as he will one day scare the dickens out of himself, and then begin to realize that our combined wisdom has some value after all! Until then, Rental Cessna nosewheels, and runway edges in the UK, watch out!
The opportunity to exchange ideas with experienced professionals on this forum is well worth enduring the occasional foolishness, which is also encountered, though I agree that there's not too much farther to take this...
I will continue to follow your posts with interest and appreciation...
Pilot DAR#315
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Katamarino,
The boom contains magnetic sensors, which are used for geological surveys. The ones which trail are simple to flight test. The ones which point forward on the fixed wing aircraft require extra testing, with specialized equipment, to assure that they do not start a divergent vibration, and break off.
Those booms which are installed on floatplanes are also flight tested during water landings and takeoffs, to assure that they are not damaged by contact with the water during normal handling. The Cessna Caravan amphibian I test flew last summer did have a minor concern about this, as I could hear the water slapping the boom as I came on and off the step.
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The boom contains magnetic sensors, which are used for geological surveys. The ones which trail are simple to flight test. The ones which point forward on the fixed wing aircraft require extra testing, with specialized equipment, to assure that they do not start a divergent vibration, and break off.
Those booms which are installed on floatplanes are also flight tested during water landings and takeoffs, to assure that they are not damaged by contact with the water during normal handling. The Cessna Caravan amphibian I test flew last summer did have a minor concern about this, as I could hear the water slapping the boom as I came on and off the step.
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The pilot gets to the runway, starts to flare, but it won't touchdown. What happens then. Pilot gets a bright idea. "I'll force it down" Stick goes forward, nose wheel contacts the earth.
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Either way, David has a slim hope of flying more safely, as he will one day scare the dickens out of himself, and then begin to realize that our combined wisdom has some value after all! Until then, Rental Cessna nosewheels, and runway edges in the UK, watch out!
There's been a lot of "attacking the person rather than the argument" in this thread. This is a fundamental error of logical argument (from what I remember of Philosophy 101). Those who have put forward a reasonable argument (even if it's only "I've always done it that way and I've had no problems") I can respect. Those that say that this reflects my flying or that I should do this or should do that, I'm arrogant etc etc... all I can say is you've got a lot to learn in relating to other people never mind other pilots, and really wouldn't want to fly with you with that kind of attitude - not even as a passenger.
I'm out too (off to bonny Scotland for an Advanced Handling Course - "I'll take the high road and you'll take the low road.. ta..de..dum..diddly.. da"
)Take care!
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Where are you doing the handling course? Seeing as I'm based up here and know pretty much everyone in the Scottish flight training world. I'll get a report and see if my suspiScions are correct.
You may well be flying at one of the clubs I taught at or was CFI at or with people I trained, so it could be interesting!
Did someone mention how small a world GA is by any chance? Especially up here in Jockistan.
Oh and by the way. The weather is utter mince.
You may well be flying at one of the clubs I taught at or was CFI at or with people I trained, so it could be interesting!
Did someone mention how small a world GA is by any chance? Especially up here in Jockistan.
Oh and by the way. The weather is utter mince.
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You should try flying under some bridges while you're up there David.
Everything else seems to go over your head.
Looking forward to you posting any reports you get Say Again!
Everything else seems to go over your head.
Looking forward to you posting any reports you get Say Again!
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This thread has been most informative (and entertaining!)
I'm not at all any sort of authority on this subject being only a 22 hour PPL student, but my instructor says I should AIM to hear the stall warner just prior to touching down.
I'm not at all any sort of authority on this subject being only a 22 hour PPL student, but my instructor says I should AIM to hear the stall warner just prior to touching down.
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I've been trying to find a good anti-rain dance for years. I think I'm fighting a losing battle though........... It seems to get worse and worse every year.
Stall warners sounding loud and clear all over Heathrow! Despite the noise passengers are very pleased with the softly softly landings that are now taking place. Speed limits of 65 knots have been imposed on runways 06R,06L,27R and 27L. This for takeoffs only. Touch downs are restricted to 35 knots.
Incoming flights are stacked up to FL200 waiting to land.
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You should try flying under some bridges while you're up there David.
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Stall warners sounding loud and clear all over Heathrow! Despite the noise passengers are very pleased with the softly softly landings that are now taking place. Speed limits of 65 knots have been imposed on runways 06R,06L,27R and 27L. This for takeoffs only. Touch downs are restricted to 35 knots.
Incoming flights are stacked up to FL200 waiting to land
I know that responding to posts like the above is not the smart thing to do, but having read your continuing mocking of those here who tried to give you advice I just can't resist adding one more comment David.
You are making yourself not only appear to be ignorant, but a lot of us are getting tired of your insulting those who frequent this forum by mocking those who tried to give you good advice.
The best response I can think of right now is your high speed touchdowns are only exceeded in kenetic energy by your insulting manner.
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More news....
My FI has been cautioned about teaching incorrect landing techniques. The CFI wants to hear that stall warner going off on each and every landing. The CAA has announced that all students taught by my FI and passed their skill tests will have to be re-examined after undergoing special training. Their PPLs will be suspended in the mean time.
A new Law of Physics (Motion) has been passed by parliament. The previous law stated that the angle of deflection to a moving object by a force acting at right angles to it was determined by the speed of that object but this has been changed to state that that angle of deflection is constant no matter the speed of the moving object.
This law is to come into effect in all parts of the UK immediately (except for Scotland)
A new Law of Physics (Motion) has been passed by parliament. The previous law stated that the angle of deflection to a moving object by a force acting at right angles to it was determined by the speed of that object but this has been changed to state that that angle of deflection is constant no matter the speed of the moving object.
This law is to come into effect in all parts of the UK immediately (except for Scotland)
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You are making yourself not only appear to be ignorant, but a lot of us are getting tired of your insulting those who frequent this forum by mocking those who tried to give you good advice.
A person who looks at issues objectively acknowledges points made by the other party. I am the first person to admit I am wrong if you can convince me. If you look elsewhere in this forum you will see that to be the case.
Some posters have met me half way and then moved on as this IS really tiresome. Tiresome by a number of vehement protesters who either have misunderstood what I said in the beginning (which was not a huge deal anyway), jumped up in self-righteous shock horror. Made all sorts of judgements about a person they don't know.
Maybe I did get some facts wrong - as I said I was just debating - trying to understand an issue someone had spoken about. I do understand it a lot better I feel. Not because I'm stubborn and "not listening". I am not a child. As I HAVE REPEATEDLY SAID - no one in any kind of authority has a problem with my airmanship or landings. I have limited experience on grass fields so I am undertaking additional training on this.
What more do you want? I am entitled to my own opinion and landing technique so long as it falls within safety limits. I happen to believe landings that are so slow that the stall warners sounds are NOT safe in certain conditions. Posters have said that they have never had a problem with this technique. Well good for them! I respect their opinion. But it's not the only opinion. The posters who most object to what I have said comprise only a handful of individuals. They may or may not be very experienced. Most hide behind nom-de-plumes. There are thousands of people involved in General Aviation. Most are too busy and too sensible to get involved in a stupid argument like this.
I have made my point - you have made yours. Just because I am inexperienced doesn't make me wrong. I am not going to have an accident touching down at 60 knots on a good runway. I am not going to break any nose wheels.
I'm sorry - I shouldn't have raised the issue in the first place. I thought this was a forum for reasonable discussion but it seems it is a haven of a bunch of self-opinionated, arrogant old farts (not that young myself mind you!).
I should have known better reading some of the previous threads in which I was not involved.
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