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very little ever P's me off, seems I touched a raw nerve !
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and my friend pitts2112 iv asked a question looking for advise not abuse from you who doesn't even know me. i work in the airline industry, safety is the most important thing in my day to day life. and has anyone ever died in OBA while flying? there are rules for all aircraft op's and they must operate under them, the same as anyone else does. 
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my plan is to do a cheap ppl in a jaa approved school and then do my distance learning atpl's here in ireland. i only want to do the ppl cheap because i have a budget for my training and i want to be able to pick and choose better places for ME IR etc. i do not see what is wrong with this decision. at the end of the day, a ppl licence is the same qualification if i pay 10k here or 5k over there. i feel a good IR school is better that the most reccommended ppl out there if i can only afford to go all out on 1 or the other....
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and tangovictor you haven't hit a raw nerve at all. your just been arrogant coming on to this thread and making snide comments, so if you have nothing good to say then dont bother your 
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AV001.....
You wouldn't happen to be DUB GREG now would you?? Come on be truthful now...
His attitude is exactly the same as yours, in fact his posts are in the same tone as yours... On the same subjects, he is doing the exact same trip to Spain as you are, the distance learning bit.....
I think you've been rumbled mate!
Try being more friendly to those who are trying to help and stop balling them out if their answers don't agree with your opinions.
I'll await all you have to throw at me but have a think, if you feel the need to throw insults at me (possibly) and others on here, how will you manage to pass the MCC? Presuming you know what that is....
I could put you in touch with a club who do a JAR PPL(A) (45hrs) for £3375.00, in the UK, with excellent credentials but somehow, I don't think they would want you.
You wouldn't happen to be DUB GREG now would you?? Come on be truthful now...
His attitude is exactly the same as yours, in fact his posts are in the same tone as yours... On the same subjects, he is doing the exact same trip to Spain as you are, the distance learning bit.....
I think you've been rumbled mate!
Try being more friendly to those who are trying to help and stop balling them out if their answers don't agree with your opinions.
I'll await all you have to throw at me but have a think, if you feel the need to throw insults at me (possibly) and others on here, how will you manage to pass the MCC? Presuming you know what that is....
I could put you in touch with a club who do a JAR PPL(A) (45hrs) for £3375.00, in the UK, with excellent credentials but somehow, I don't think they would want you.
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my plan is to do a cheap ppl in a jaa approved school and then do my distance learning atpl's here in ireland. i only want to do the ppl cheap because i have a budget for my training and i want to be able to pick and choose better places for ME IR etc. i do not see what is wrong with this decision. at the end of the day, a ppl licence is the same qualification if i pay 10k here or 5k over there. i feel a good IR school is better that the most reccommended ppl out there if i can only afford to go all out on 1 or the other....
Train at a place that is economical and honest (as you say, no need to spend £10K when it can be done adequately for £5) and look carefully at their factilities and aircraft. If they are cheap because they skimp on investment in the machines, you can bet the rest of the operation will follow suit.
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i dont know who dub greg is and im not planning to go to spain, as i said i intent to do my atpls here in ireland. i really dont have an attitude problem, it just annoys me to look for help and get some smart ass telling me to talk to other people. have you trained in this school in england yourself? it that an all inclusive package? accom txfrs etc? and yes you are probably right, initial training is fundamentally important and maybe cheap is not the way forward, but i am here to pick up info, so thanks..
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yeah it will be most interesting alright, i will let you know how it goes. i assure you i would not be in the position i am in if i had an attitude problem, i run an out station for 1 of europes biggest carriers and i have never been told by anyone that i have an attitude problem. look this is begining to feel like a personal vandetta here, i onld want advise lads, apoligies if i come across bad but i didnt start anything here except for the thread!!
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Having worked at two busy UK based flying schools for the last 20 years, almost without fail those that have attained (obtained?) their licences in the USA have needed 10 hours or so of further training before they reach an acceptable standard for them to be lent (ie hired) an aircraft.
The cost advantage disappears immediately and it isn't sour grapes - the aircraft owners like to try and keep them in one piece!
The cost advantage disappears immediately and it isn't sour grapes - the aircraft owners like to try and keep them in one piece!
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I was US trained and never came close to doing those sort of hours, I had a 1 hour checkride and thats it, also most of the people I trained with did an hour or two and were deemed good enough, so for us the cost difference was great
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really and would that have been the case with all or at least a large percentage of american trained pplers? what school have you worked at? and would you reccommend any of them to?
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Yes, I suppose that sounds about right as most UK students do not complete after 45 hours training, so 45 US training hours and 10 hours UK training hours is still more cost effective, and it gives the PPL the benefit of US flying too. I'd agree it's best to budget for some hours of dual training in the UK (or Ireland) on completion.
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let us all know if / when you ever pass, and we will all avoid ryan air like the plague
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UK Training
I was seriously considering OBA for my PPL, although the problem was going to be fitting it around my work. I have now decided to train in the UK in a bulldog 120, so not the cheapest UK option.
However, having had a 30 minute flight and afterwards picking up all the study coursework, I think it would have been an extremely tall order to complete the course in 4 weeks in the US let alone 3!
Writing this I am under no illusions that I have to put in a lot of work, both in the air and on the ground to obtain the licence.
I'm not a complete novice to aviation, having spent some time gliding (40hrs), although this was a few years ago. Also I have worked in both Human factors (The RAF IAM, alas no more) and 8 years in Military navigation (GPS INS systems). So a lot of the academic study will not be entirely new.
One worry for me was that if you were to get fatigued early on in an intensive course, with no rest the pressure increases further and hence the fatigue increase to the point where you cannot cope. Think of your first flying lesson, if you haven't mastered some aspect of the lesson, tough, your onto the next lesson until the workload increases and you simply cannot fly the aircraft.
Training in the UK is going to be more relaxed and enjoyable.
So its a trade off between cost and stress!
On another note the reason why I'm training at a higher cost in the bulldog is that its crosswind limit is 35knts and the Cessna 152 15knts. I'm hopeful not many days will be lost to high winds.
However, having had a 30 minute flight and afterwards picking up all the study coursework, I think it would have been an extremely tall order to complete the course in 4 weeks in the US let alone 3!
Writing this I am under no illusions that I have to put in a lot of work, both in the air and on the ground to obtain the licence.
I'm not a complete novice to aviation, having spent some time gliding (40hrs), although this was a few years ago. Also I have worked in both Human factors (The RAF IAM, alas no more) and 8 years in Military navigation (GPS INS systems). So a lot of the academic study will not be entirely new.
One worry for me was that if you were to get fatigued early on in an intensive course, with no rest the pressure increases further and hence the fatigue increase to the point where you cannot cope. Think of your first flying lesson, if you haven't mastered some aspect of the lesson, tough, your onto the next lesson until the workload increases and you simply cannot fly the aircraft.
Training in the UK is going to be more relaxed and enjoyable.
So its a trade off between cost and stress!
On another note the reason why I'm training at a higher cost in the bulldog is that its crosswind limit is 35knts and the Cessna 152 15knts. I'm hopeful not many days will be lost to high winds.
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I have followed numerous threads on numerous forums where advice & opinions are asked for. Why is it that so many degenerate into a slanging match. Aviator001, people are trying to help you here, they are trying to give you the benefit of their extensive experience. If it isn't what you want to hear then I suggest it is you who should not bother writing in.
I expect I shall be metaphorically kicked in the teeth, but so be it.
Good luck with the brain cell collection.
By the way there is a button on the keyboard called "Shift" there is one on both sides.
I expect I shall be metaphorically kicked in the teeth, but so be it.
Good luck with the brain cell collection.
By the way there is a button on the keyboard called "Shift" there is one on both sides.
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Cessna not for me
I was checking out flying clubs at the weekend, ( already having flown for an hour at Blackbushe, although I discounted it as a place to learn). Turned up at the new club, not intending to fly, but to speak to someone regarding their PPL course in their Cessna. Low and behold 5 minutes later I'm off in the bulldog with an instructor. His pre-arranged student kicking his heels on the ground, probably wishing he had choosen the bulldog since his Cessna was not going anywhere with a 25knt crosswind!
I originally considered the US for an intensive course, to get the PPL quickly and relatively free from weather constraints. I'm hoping now to "try" and get 4hrs a week flying and maybe the PPL in January. Just maybe paying that little extra for a more capable aircraft will help me achieve that... unless of course this winter we have light winds but cloud at 500ft
I originally considered the US for an intensive course, to get the PPL quickly and relatively free from weather constraints. I'm hoping now to "try" and get 4hrs a week flying and maybe the PPL in January. Just maybe paying that little extra for a more capable aircraft will help me achieve that... unless of course this winter we have light winds but cloud at 500ft
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