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aviator001 21st Sep 2006 17:45

ppl training.
 
hi guys. just a quick question, any help would be great. im looking to do my ppl in the cheapest jaa or caa approved school known to man. so far ormond beach looks good, (never mind all the bad reviews it got). could anyone tell me of a cheaper school that they know of. it costs £3,700 or 5k in euro approx.:ok:

Whirlygig 21st Sep 2006 17:54

This question may be better off in Private Flying.

However, cheapest is not necessarily cheapest in the long run. The price you've quoted assumes you pass in 45 hours. What if you don't? Have you factored in accommodation etc.

But, also consider that if finances are tight now, are you going to be able to afford to maintain the licence.

You get what you pay for!

Cheers

Whirls

..and as I was typing ... pooooof ... it's been moved!

mcgoo 21st Sep 2006 18:08

I found OBA to be the cheapest, especially when you consider whats included, ppl, night, accommodation, visa fees and transfers

aviator001 21st Sep 2006 19:22

sorry but where is OBA again? how much is it and what did you get for that? did you study before you went out there? thanks

aviator001 21st Sep 2006 19:23

im sorry that was a stupid question i know where OBA is. i just didint think

BA123 21st Sep 2006 20:52

OBA
 
dont all the comments about OBA put you off ? Just wandering cause im thinking of that place aswell

tiggermoth 21st Sep 2006 21:31

I looked beyond the negative comments and looked at the positive ones too. I'm looking forward to having a really intensive flying course. The 'boot camp' idea sounds hard but great! (if that makes any sense?). A bit of discipline and a bit of swallowing ones pride has never hurt anyone.

I'm booked for the end of October. Bring it on.

aviator001 21st Sep 2006 23:03

i had 2 friends who went to florida together, 1 studied groungschool before they went, the other didnt. the guy won studied came home with a ppl the other guy just ended up having an expensive holiday. so my advice is be prepared, be confident and enjoy the experience of flying and if you make it through all the better and if not then maybe it just wasnt ment to be..:ok:

ormus55 21st Sep 2006 23:25

from what ive read here in the past month or so, and talking to various ppls, doing the ground school here in the uk first seems the best/sensible route.

if and when i get round to it, thats what i shall be doing.

aviator001 22nd Sep 2006 14:58

well my friend who studied before me went out to florida done jaa groundschool and passed 3 out of 4 1st attempt and was told on arrival in florida that he would have to it all again out there..

gcolyer 22nd Sep 2006 16:07

If you do the JAA exams before you go to florida, and take a part completed CAA application form with the exam sign off's then the school cannot make you do them again.

aviator001 22nd Sep 2006 17:52

do the same rules apply for jaa aswell do you know? is there a name for that form?

gcolyer 22nd Sep 2006 18:07

I cant remember the name of the form. You apply for your JAA license from the CAA. Your local flying club should be able to supply you the form, infact they have to sign the exam passes.

worldpilot 22nd Sep 2006 20:08

Based on my experience at OBA, I would recommend the following if you anticipate going to OBA.
First purchase the study pack and study for the exams before going to OBA.
Then when onsite at OBA, you should take the exams there. Thats included in the fees anyway. At the same time, interacting with others onsite might help you pass the exam easier. Make sure that you pass the exams within 2 weeks of your arrival. Thats actually possible if you have really studied for the exams intensively. Dont forget the confuser. It is a valuable resource.:rolleyes:

Good luck.

WP

Pitts2112 22nd Sep 2006 22:49


Originally Posted by aviator001 (Post 2865198)
do my ppl in the cheapest jaa or caa approved school known to man. so far ormond beach looks good, (never mind all the bad reviews it got)

I have to say I've never understood this approach. Do you do everything in life in the cheapest way possible? Do you do all your shopping in The Pound Store? Do you buy the cheapest car possible, the cheapest shoes, the cheapest clothes, the cheapest tools? Did it ever occur to ask WHY this flying school is the cheapest? You're willing to throw your good money (and your safety) after other peoples' bad by ignoring "all the bad reviews it got". You don't sound like the brightest bulb in the box and I'm not sure your approach is one that's going to see you live to be an old pilot.

Why is it that people that will make a perfectly rational decision about value for money spending when it comes to something like a pair of jeans but are more than willing to launch themselves into the air with an outfit that is simply the cheapest? I'd much rather wear a pair of low quality jeans and know I'm getting value for money in the quality stakes with my training outfit.

Pitts2112
Economical, but not miserly, private pilot

tiggermoth 22nd Sep 2006 23:20

You're right in a sense, decisions based on cost alone are usually prone to dissapointment. Best "value" is the key.

Choosing something that is "the cheapest" that still attains a recognized international standard is perfectly valid.

For example, a dust mask with a BSI kite mark bought from a pound shop is just as good for the purpose as one bought for £3.99 from a large DIY store with large orange lettering.

Buying comparable product without recognized standards though is very difficult. That's why standards were created.

Large supermarkets can sell items cheap because they have a high turnover of stock. In the same way, the largest flying training facility also has economy of scale.

gcolyer 22nd Sep 2006 23:39


Originally Posted by Pitts2112 (Post 2867448)
Did it ever occur to ask WHY this flying school is the cheapest?

I don't want to start an argument..but why do you think it is the cheapest?

I personaly don't think it is poor quality/service or standards. A lot of the Florida schools are similar in price. OBA stands out more as it throws in a load of niggly extras.

1) It includes accomodation.
2) It includes exam fees.
3) Free airport transfers

Florida is cheaper because:

1) Cheaper fuel
2) No landing fees
3) FAA is much much more GA friendly and cheaper

tangovictor 23rd Sep 2006 00:25


Originally Posted by aviator001 (Post 2866779)
well my friend who studied before me went out to florida done jaa groundschool and passed 3 out of 4 1st attempt and was told on arrival in florida that he would have to it all again out there..

is this thread a windup ? if your friend has completed this, why not ask him !

aviator001 23rd Sep 2006 14:48


Originally Posted by tangovictor (Post 2867547)
is this thread a windup ? if your friend has completed this, why not ask him !

well im sorry if it pisses you off, me using this site for its very purpose, to gather information and get advise. yes i have talked to him (obviously) but before i pay out thousands of euro i want to get a few peoples views mate....

aviator001 23rd Sep 2006 14:52

and my friend pitts2112 iv asked a question looking for advise not abuse from you who doesn't even know me. i work in the airline industry, safety is the most important thing in my day to day life. and has anyone ever died in OBA while flying? there are rules for all aircraft op's and they must operate under them, the same as anyone else does. ;)


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