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BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions II

Old 9th Sep 2010, 05:59
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If you read the comments on the Guardian thread, there are some truly hilarious attempts by BASSAmentalists to try and spin things. Witness these two choice examples:

In a nutshell, cabin crew claimed an average of 10 days strike pay because of several variables. If one works part time, the strike days may have only affected you for 3 or 4 days due to your working pattern. Even for those on full time one could have been on annual leave, one could have been out of the UK over the strike period and it was only London departures that were affected. There were cabin crew who claimed 22 days strike pay and there were those that claimed one or two days so the 10 days was an average. Also factor in that the crew at London Gatwick went into work over the strike period with a tiny percentage going on strike. So if all the figures are boiled down you will probably find that 80% of those who were due to work from Heathrow went on strike which reflected, more or less, the result of the ballot to strike.
In case you are wondering why London Gatwick crew went to work, the operation at London Gatwick is BA all but a uniform. The operation there is made up of remnants of buy outs and mergers and the contracts that the crew operate on have always been different to those at Heathrow.
Life is different on the planet BASSA.



( Article here: BA strike 'inevitable', says union | Business | guardian.co.uk )
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Old 9th Sep 2010, 12:21
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the operation at London Gatwick is BA all but a uniform. The operation there is made up of remnants of buy outs and mergers and the contracts that the crew operate on have always been different to those at Heathrow.
If only that were true. Then we wouldn't get bogged down by every little drama/tantrum that happens up the road and I could change my job title back from "Cabin Crew But I Didn't Strike" to plain old Cabin Crew! I wouldn't have to fear that any CV I sent out would be rejected purely for having the words BA and cabin crew in the same sentence and we might even end up being run by people that care about and understand the LGW operation and mixed flying. To be honest, having people that actually remember we exist for something other than strike breaking would be a bonus right now! (This in no way a criticism of the LGW managers. They do a great job in difficult circumstances and continually fight our corner but when it comes to the big stuff, their hands are tied.)

Before anyone jumps on me, I am perfectly aware that without the LHR operation we would probably not exist in any form at all but I can dream....
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Old 9th Sep 2010, 12:32
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I could change my job title back from "Cabin Crew But I Didn't Strike" to plain old Cabin Crew!
This really rang a bell for me, I hear my partner saying this all the time. She shares your pain.... keep well.
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Old 9th Sep 2010, 12:57
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Angel

Spare a thought too for some of us crew at LHR that came to work. It is not all as black and white as some posters like to paint.

We are all being tarred with the same brush. I too, like Jetset Lady, long for the day when mentioning you are Brithish Airways cabin crew does not mean you the have to talk about the strike and explain that you didn't strike.

There is a perception hear that Gatwick = Good and Heathrow = Bad and that is not true. Just because some very misguided crew chose to strike does not mean that all crew at LHR are not good. Many crew are very dedicated at both LHR and LGW (strikers and non-strikers alike).

Unfortunately a minority led by a nutty union is getting alot of press and quite frankly ruinning it for crew at both airports. Lucky for you crew at Gatwick because you are not right in the middle of it, working with strikers and non-strikers mixed up together. I can tell you it is very hard at LHR right now whether you striked or did not strike. I just pray it does get sorted out soon.

Please rest assured that the majority of passengers have a great experience when flying out of either airport and regularily I get passengers saying to me, that they thought from all the press that their flight might have been bad but in fact it was great and give me a big thank you as they get off. Then I feel better about things and remember that, that's why I love my job so much.
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Old 9th Sep 2010, 13:15
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Don't worry Betty Girl, I think that many of the public now know that the strike was a classic post 1970s strike by a small group who think that - just because it has been so, thus it shall be.

Given that an article in the BBC this week showed that many working folks think that the idea of retirement, as developed in the latter stages of the 20th Century, will not exist for them - there are enough realists out there.

Those that have been in a safe seat (pun intended) for 20+ years have no real idea what redundancy and unemployment at aged 45 feels like. Yes, it might have happened to their friends but, like divorce and other life changing events - until you have been in it - you have no idea.

It looks like this dispute is going to turn out OK for you that have worked and understood that the good times are over. Hopefully, we can all have some 'not so bad after all' times.
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Old 9th Sep 2010, 13:19
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Betty Girl writes......................................
and give me a big thank you as they get off. Then I feel better about things and remember that, that's why I love my job so much.
We loyal BA pax owe it to likes of BG & the majority of loyal CC to continue to BACK BA!
That's the most effective way to ensure that Bassa/ Unite fail totally in their quest to scupper this still great airline.
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Old 9th Sep 2010, 13:54
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Betty Girl, there was no intention to cast aspersions on LHR crew. I was just demonstrating the contempt that BASSA hold for LGW; how they dare criticise when they sold them down the river is beyond me.

I fully support everyone who has refused to toe the BASSA line. You are heros (and heroines) one and all.

The sooner the obstinate few are removed from BASSA the better. If only they could start with Duncan Donut, who is well past his sell by date.
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Old 9th Sep 2010, 14:06
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I am more inclined to remove the obstinate from BA rather than BASSA!
Myopic, militant intransigence coupled with a BA destructive mindset is no characteristic welcome in any employment, let alone an aircraft.

The sooner these people are totally identified and moved on the better for the airline,management and loyal employees who have made significant efforts to keep the brand alive
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Old 9th Sep 2010, 14:16
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ChicoG,
I haven't taken any of yours or anyone elses post to heart and I do understand why people would want to praise Gatwick crew because they do do a great job.

I just wanted people, who maybe haven't flown BA for a while, to know that you can have a great flight out of Heathrow too and all the good crew, that they flew with on their past flights, are still there.

Many thanks for all the support you passengers have shown us non-strikers. Strangely I had some of my best flights ever during the strikes!!!and saw lots of loyal Gold card holders on all of my flights. Thanks all of you for keeping the faith.
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Old 9th Sep 2010, 14:18
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Boxkite,
whilst I can understand your perspective, and do not necessarily disagree, (and, as a manager, have had to carry out the sort of action that you suggest), I'll revert to my oft-repeated comment. This has been going on for 40 years at BA. The behaviour from some BA CC is how BA managers have taught them to behave. If you've only ever worked for BA - and have seen how to behave over many years, then you know nothing else, and customers shouldn't be surprised if past behaviour is repeated
Whilst Betty, Eddy and some others at lhr use applied common sense, generally BA managers get the TUs that the managers past behaviour have deserved.

naturally, I exclude the sensible real-world CC down at lgw.
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Old 9th Sep 2010, 14:27
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Sigh...how did I know that post was coming!

Betty Girl,

I was merely commenting on a quote in the paper stating that LGW crew are not "proper" BA. There are bad and good crew at both bases and most people are fully aware of that but this particular quote was about crew at Gatwick. Just Gatwick. Not Gatwick and Heathrow. Gatwick alone!

Lucky for you crew at Gatwick because you are not right in the middle of it, working with strikers and non-strikers mixed up together.
2 strikers on current trip. We've talked. We've agreed to disagree. We've got on with the job and each other. That's the way it usually works at LGW and I'm damned if I'm going to apologise for it. Ironically, it appears that most of the "kids", as BASSA seems to think we all are, working at LGW are more mature than some of the so called adults elsewhere.
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Old 9th Sep 2010, 14:59
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I am not really sure why you are having a go at me Jetset Lady.

I haven't critisised you at all, infact I agreed with you and I also said what great crews there were at Gatwick.

I worked out of Gatwick from 1988 to 1993 so I know exactly how Gatwick crew feel about being the second cousin down the road.

I was just worried that some SLF might have got the feeling that Heathrow crew didn't care anymore and most of us care very much.

I think only about 150 crew striked at Gatwick so I really think you can have NO idea at all what it is like working at Heathrow at the momment.

When I said lucky for you I meant it literally, yes you are very lucky, it is very hard because striker or non striker, you cannot even discuss the strike at work because it is such a sensitive issue. It is just a dark cloud hanging over us and YES we would love to be able to air our views and then get over it but that is not possible up here. It is impossible to even mention it unless you are completely sure a crew member holds your views.

I think that maybe that's why I post on here to help me get some of my feelings out.
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Old 9th Sep 2010, 15:10
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JSL,

You've taken the words out of my mouth. I was just about to reply to BettyGirl about the situation at LGW. I've flown with strikers here at LGW myself and we didn't have an issue with each other. We respect each other's decision and got on with service and the job in hand. We've had no problems socialising together either.

I think the key factor here is respect. Both sides should have respect for each other's decision - at both bases, simple as that.

I'll leave it now, before I get modded (is that a real word?)
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Old 9th Sep 2010, 15:19
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Sorry, Betty Girl. It's not intended. Just chalk me up as an over tired, slightly crabby purser that seems to have spent many hours defending a much loved base. I know you have it tough up the road and I don't envy you a bit for what you are currently going through. It is undeniably easier down here in that department for the reasons that both I and MIDLGW have mentioned but we do still have our problems. It's just that many of ours are not strike related and therefore, currently appear to be of little or no importance to those that reside in Waterside. It's a bitter pill to swallow sometimes.
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Old 9th Sep 2010, 15:25
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MIDLGW
Well that's really great for you both.

Can't quite understand why having a go at me because life is so wonderful at Gatwick helps anyone.

But very glad for you that it is all so civilised down there!
Added-
Posted this before reading Jetsets new post. Thanks Jetset I did wonder if it was because you were tired.
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Old 9th Sep 2010, 15:52
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Ladies and Gentlemen of the Cabin

I note the posts between you all which air the current and past problems between cabin crew, but am perplexed as to why you post on this forum which has been designated for the Pax perspective. Am I being pedantic? I don't know but the gripes/comments/experiences inter cabin crew should surely be assigned to the specific Cabin Crew thread. I am enlightened by the posts certainly, but presume the points raised between you would be more widely debated on your own thread. No?
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Old 9th Sep 2010, 16:02
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I enjoy having Cabin Crew visit this forum. It gives SLF an opportunity to engage in questions and answers and also provides Cabin Crew an idea how some of their clients feel about the situation.

I hope that Cabin Crew and other airline employees continue to engage.
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Old 9th Sep 2010, 16:04
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I note the posts between you all which air the current and past problems between cabin crew, but am perplexed as to why you post on this forum which has been designated for the Pax perspective. Am I being pedantic? I don't know but the gripes/comments/experiences inter cabin crew should surely be assigned to the specific Cabin Crew thread. I am enlightened by the posts certainly, but presume the points raised between you would be more widely debated on your own thread. No?
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Yes I think you are being pedantic. As has been said by others on this thread to comments similar to yours, cabin crew members have been good enough to post on this thread where we as pax can respond. BG, JSL and MIDLGW have also taken the time to answer and inform us SLF on many points outside of the current dispute. I for one am grateful for that. Please leave modding to the mods.
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Old 9th Sep 2010, 16:05
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Walsh may have a problem...

...but it isn't striking cabin crew. That's been put in the "finished" pile by everyone other than the BASSA heirarchy it would seem.

Walsh's problem is more with his acquistion strategy, and the feeling he's well behind the curve on this one. This article in Bloomberg Businessweek carries the detail. This is where Walsh's legacy as CEO will be made or broken, and that's why he's already moved on from the cabin crew dispute.

British Airways Seeks a Bride to Regain Altitude - BusinessWeek
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Old 9th Sep 2010, 17:29
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I also welcome the posts by cabin crew
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