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In case anyone is any doubt about this the person interviewed clearly was wearing a yellow star of David with BASSA written in the middle. The Nazis made all jews wear a cloth, yellow star of David with the word Jude written in the middle.
BA crew: I was ?red after pro-Nazi row | The Jewish Chronicle
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The link below shows the interview.
BA Workers Vote For Ballot On Strike Action - Sky News Video Player
The link below shows the interview.
BA Workers Vote For Ballot On Strike Action - Sky News Video Player
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Without making judgements of BASSA's track record re: inappropriate historical comparisons or the individual concerned and his belief that he should equate his difficulties with the wearing of the yellow star in 1930s Europe and whether BA did investigate this adequately in the current environment...
This is just about plummeting to depths that I never imagined would be discussed on here. Whatever the truth is behind this individual incident is, I just find it all so monumentally upsetting that I don't even want to begin to try and pick this one apart now. All this is achieving is upsetting me - and, therefore, I can bet countless others - and gets nobody any closer to resolving whatever dispute this has now turned into.
Thank you for posting the JC article.
This is just about plummeting to depths that I never imagined would be discussed on here. Whatever the truth is behind this individual incident is, I just find it all so monumentally upsetting that I don't even want to begin to try and pick this one apart now. All this is achieving is upsetting me - and, therefore, I can bet countless others - and gets nobody any closer to resolving whatever dispute this has now turned into.
Thank you for posting the JC article.
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If DH takes any action that affects BA's business, is that unofficial industrial action
DH, and all BASSA CC, should remember that the BASSA forum is an official conduit for that union branch and comments made in there by anyone that are then subsequently allowed to remain could be open to legal issues as a result. The current example of inciting people to not book flights with BA being the issue I’m thinking of here. I don’t have access to the BASSA forum (thankfully) but if as has been suggested attacking forward bookings by social means (for want of a better phrase) is occurring, being overtly discussed and can be linked to DH’s well reported statement regarding assaulting bookings then yes, legally I can see grounds for BA to at least have a pop.
Ms L Malone knows only too well the result of loose lips in that forum.
All this new media, forums, Face.book, etc is a steep learning curve for a lot of people, you are accountable for what you write and you are accountable for what you allow to be published on a forum you control. There was a time in most businesses, or Unions, when all communications, letters we used to call them, would have come from a tiny handful of people at the top. Now any ol’ bugger with an internet connection is making statements “for and on behalf of” their employer or group with little or no reference to the people above them. It’s far from ideal and can cause problems for you down the line if you don’t control the information flow correctly.
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With respect to the defence of various comments from the junta about forward bookings, there is much unexplored legal space..............a large, ill defined grey area.
What is clear is that if an official employed by the TU (ie, and FTO, not a rep) incites employees to breach their contracts, then that action is not protected, and the employer can sue the TU. Equally, if a Branch Sec., acting in their role as a Branch Sec. (whoever employs them) issues an "official" note to staff which incites them to breach their contract, then again it is not protected.
However, when someone infers that it would be a good idea to slag off their employer to their friends in order to reduce the forward order book, then we're in very grey territory.
As an employer, I would not go down the "sue the TU route" , but would take the employee - if I could establish their i.d. - thru the disciplinary route.
As an aside, the use by BA of either their own staff or contractors to find out what their own staff are doing is not unique to BA. Thousands of employers do it every day to thousands of employees. They have to as a few employees abuse some generous sick-leave arrangements.
Most employees fully support such actions, as they get fed up with the known malingerers. Probably less than 5% of employees abuse generous sick leave schemes. When they do, they threaten the very existence of the scheme. To obtain data about whether or not someone is a malingerer does require detailed investigation.
IMHO the ranting about Human Rights is a load of hogwash.
What is clear is that if an official employed by the TU (ie, and FTO, not a rep) incites employees to breach their contracts, then that action is not protected, and the employer can sue the TU. Equally, if a Branch Sec., acting in their role as a Branch Sec. (whoever employs them) issues an "official" note to staff which incites them to breach their contract, then again it is not protected.
However, when someone infers that it would be a good idea to slag off their employer to their friends in order to reduce the forward order book, then we're in very grey territory.
As an employer, I would not go down the "sue the TU route" , but would take the employee - if I could establish their i.d. - thru the disciplinary route.
As an aside, the use by BA of either their own staff or contractors to find out what their own staff are doing is not unique to BA. Thousands of employers do it every day to thousands of employees. They have to as a few employees abuse some generous sick-leave arrangements.
Most employees fully support such actions, as they get fed up with the known malingerers. Probably less than 5% of employees abuse generous sick leave schemes. When they do, they threaten the very existence of the scheme. To obtain data about whether or not someone is a malingerer does require detailed investigation.
IMHO the ranting about Human Rights is a load of hogwash.
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Not immune to a bit of sick humour myself and found the lambasting of Prince Harry over the Hitler Fancy Dress a bit much. However:
The sick idiot that decided to sport a 'Bassa' yellow star deserves a long run of extremely bad luck - something I'm sure karma will sort out nicely. Beginning in the job department I hope.
The sick idiot that decided to sport a 'Bassa' yellow star deserves a long run of extremely bad luck - something I'm sure karma will sort out nicely. Beginning in the job department I hope.
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Has anyone got a picture of this badge? Was it a six or five pointed star? I think that there may be a bit of an over reaction to the issue.......Until I see a picture then I don't think it appropriate to make any conclusions....
Está servira para distraerle.
In Europe the yellow star has historically and from time to time been enforced garb for Jews since at least as long ago as the Middle Ages. The Nazis resurrected this mark of Cain but they certainly didn't invent it. Enforced upon a Jewish wearer, the star has always been intended as a badge of shame. A Jew might voluntarily wear the star to draw attention and sympathy to the plight of his ancestors but when a Gentile wears the yellow star it must surely signify nothing more than self abasement. The particular sub species of a union under discussion seem to have quite a knack for taking totems which are of great and justifiable importance to certain sections of society and debasing them. But of course there may be no truth to any of this stellar activity anyway.
The Star of David is the hexagram or six sided star composed of two overlapped triangles. The pentacle or five pointed star design is the one more favoured for amusing festivities at certain times of the year. Mind you though, in his Greater Ritual of the Pentagram, Aleister Crowley used both devices in his secret formulation of Abrahadabra.
The Star of David is the hexagram or six sided star composed of two overlapped triangles. The pentacle or five pointed star design is the one more favoured for amusing festivities at certain times of the year. Mind you though, in his Greater Ritual of the Pentagram, Aleister Crowley used both devices in his secret formulation of Abrahadabra.
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But of course there may be no truth to any of this stellar activity anyway.
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Perhaps we need to wait for the 3 Wise Men, although I have little conviction that Holley, Woodley and ... the other one ... are likely to fall into that category.
Whatever, I just keep booking flights with BA.
Whatever, I just keep booking flights with BA.
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Unlikely to find 3 wise men and a virgin in BASSA.
However, to complete the set, we also need an Innkeeper and a Carpenter. Do kitchen fitters count?
We already have the donkey [DH] and the sheep and the oxen ... they're members and reps, of course.
Hey, the BASSA Christmas Strike Pantomime is almost complete! Lizanne as the Infant? Or the Angel?
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The Book of Revelations would allow one to put on a slightly different production of the jolly old British Christmas panto scenario. John of Patmos records the divine birth in Revelations 12 as I remember.
Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads. His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born.
That should type cast nicely I'd have thought.
Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads. His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born.
That should type cast nicely I'd have thought.
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Profound post, cavortingcheetah
Q 1 ... red dragon. Are any of the BASSA leadership Welsh?
Q 2 ... seven heads. Hasn't BAA had to reduce it's airport holdings? Or is that Continents?
Q 3 ... ten horns. Hmmm ... no response
Q 4 ... seven crowns. Is there a Star Alliance link?
Q 5 ... swept a third of the stars from the sky. OK, a few airlines have gone down in recent years.
Scary, innit!!
Q 1 ... red dragon. Are any of the BASSA leadership Welsh?
Q 2 ... seven heads. Hasn't BAA had to reduce it's airport holdings? Or is that Continents?
Q 3 ... ten horns. Hmmm ... no response
Q 4 ... seven crowns. Is there a Star Alliance link?
Q 5 ... swept a third of the stars from the sky. OK, a few airlines have gone down in recent years.
Scary, innit!!
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Thanks, Lotpax. Being called clever by someone of your standing is very high praise indeed! 
Yes, I was flying ChicoG and boy was it a long flight! However, in answer to Betty's question, it was to a very nice place, thanks and I won't mention the fact I'm now sat by the roof top pool.. 
Anyway, to business. I'll make this my last post on the subject for fear of driving poor old MPN11 to drink! (And the mods for that matter)
It's a fair point as no I haven't registered. Maybe I should before I comment but in my defence, I do know a fair bit of the background of PCCC. Probably more than your average crew member.
Yes and no respectively.
What you see is me asking questions of one of the founding members and me voicing my opinion. It is my opinion. I do not expect everyone to agree with it. Maybe you'd prefer another organisation full of blinkered followers? I may not agree with all HiFlyer says but from what I have seen and what I know of HighFlyer, I don't think even he/she would want that. In suggesting that by voicing my opinion, I am in the BASSA barrel, you sound no different to a BASSA supporter in reverse. Isn't that the exact attitude that PCCC are trying to move away from? (I'm not actually sure what a moaners barrel is but I like the sound of it!)
Again, a fair point. Yes, I do see the need for change but at the moment, the combination of stupidly busy rosters and a recent major upheaval in my personal life have prevented me from doing anything apart from making tentative enquiries into the possibility of a LGW council of some sort. From my admittedly limited knowledge, I don't think a LGW union will ever be an option as it would be impossible to get the figures needed for recognition. We just don't have enough crew. Even if we could, I suspect that the higher ups in BA would have kittens at the idea of a 4th union joining the fray!
And on that note, I will promise that I will now shut up about the subject.
It's OK, MPN11. You can come back out now...
Yes, I was flying ChicoG and boy was it a long flight! However, in answer to Betty's question, it was to a very nice place, thanks and I won't mention the fact I'm now sat by the roof top pool..
Anyway, to business. I'll make this my last post on the subject for fear of driving poor old MPN11 to drink! (And the mods for that matter)
Have you actually registered at the PCCC website and investigated what they might offer you, or are you happy just sitting back niggling at them?
Do you have any interest in what possibly be more sensible representation, or do you think the current BASSA leadership are worthy of support?
All I see is you constantly criticising the PCCC, which puts you in the BASSA or moaners barrel.
Do you see a need for change, and if so, what are you actually doing about it?
And on that note, I will promise that I will now shut up about the subject.
It's OK, MPN11. You can come back out now...
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Dear JSL, I'm glad to see you posting. And I was driven to drink a long time ago, but that's another story. I would just ask that you call me "MPN11" - an abbreviated name implies a certain familiarity which we do not share [sadly] and "MPN-11" in full has significance.
Anyway, where were we? Oh, yes ... good luck to you and all your colleagues, whichever way you all choose to go. <hugs>
I fly BA ... why not?
Anyway, where were we? Oh, yes ... good luck to you and all your colleagues, whichever way you all choose to go. <hugs>
I fly BA ... why not?