BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions
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10-point plan for getting BA back in the sky - News & Advice, Travel - The Independent
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Re Simon Calder
Simon Calder advocates that Mr Walsh gives into Bassa & restores ST to the strikers. What he fails to grasp is that the MAJORITY of CC are working normally & they don't want ST reinstated for the strikers.
I think that Mr Walsh is more interested in looking after his long serving loyal CC than pandering to the bolshie minority. They were warned what would happen if they continued to strike. They reap what they sow.
I think that Mr Walsh is more interested in looking after his long serving loyal CC than pandering to the bolshie minority. They were warned what would happen if they continued to strike. They reap what they sow.
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Nutshell
From the more than 4000 comments from airline employees on the other thread, surely this single quote, lifted from a post by HighFlyer14, sums up best this dreadful mess.
There are worse things in life than being asked to work a bit harder. Discuss that over your Pimms at Bedfont today.
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is there actually a strike by cc still on? 
i only ask because if you look through the flight status on ba.com for today you wouldn't think there was!
All 6 to JFK are operating as are all to MIA, LAX, SFO and ORD. Previously they were quite a few of them cancelled.
2 out 3 to BOS and EWR, previously it was only 1 each.
Out east all HKG, SIN, BOM, NRT are going.
Tbh am struggling to find many cancellations Long Haul. MEX, HYD, PHX have lost their 1 flight and theres a couple others, 1 to IAD, JNB, IAH, PHL and a few others.
Short haul is a different matter of course but theres still flights to every destination.
It this was the best BASSA could do
Everyone is against BASSA including it would seem most of there members!
i only ask because if you look through the flight status on ba.com for today you wouldn't think there was!All 6 to JFK are operating as are all to MIA, LAX, SFO and ORD. Previously they were quite a few of them cancelled.
2 out 3 to BOS and EWR, previously it was only 1 each.
Out east all HKG, SIN, BOM, NRT are going.
Tbh am struggling to find many cancellations Long Haul. MEX, HYD, PHX have lost their 1 flight and theres a couple others, 1 to IAD, JNB, IAH, PHL and a few others.
Short haul is a different matter of course but theres still flights to every destination.
It this was the best BASSA could do
Everyone is against BASSA including it would seem most of there members!
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Needs sorting out
Im not a super important client for BA. I fly from MAN-LHR, LHR-LAS and return about 3 times a year with my wife in economy (clarification, flown twice now since october on above route, prior was just MAN-LHR then virgin to LAS).
99% of the CC have been pleasant, no real interaction. However 1% have been plain rude and snotty with a request for a bottle of water mid flight on a return ( window seat and two unknown people soundly asleep between me and the aisle) was met with a " can't you see im busy" and storm off to the back of the plane.
Anyway. I can find no sympathy for the strikers at present, 27K take home is more than i earn gross! (im lucky and my wife earns considerably more than me) I work for local government investigating serious injuries/fatalities in road accidents, looking at causes and designing solutions.
I would not call the strikers antics professional, nor has anyone i have chatted to. in fact even though im a union member and have been since i started work and would resign rather than my union support Unite and bassa..BASSA needs to be crushed because it is not imo working on behalf of its members, only itself.
Perks such as TS are imo not contractual benefits and can be removed at any time. that BA told people twice before striking this, they are surprised they were taken away? imagine a none contractual attendance bonus, someone is off, no bonus..try arguing out of that.
I am full of admiration for those not striking, trying to keep BA and our national carrier going. I have heard so many concerns about inimidation from strikers, the chants, name calling, emails and texts. And they have the audacity to complain about being bullied and inimidated?
I believe the 90 day redundency recruitment is only if the same position is to be filled. However, if say a CSD was made redundant and replaced with a New fleet CC..that isn't a like for like replacement, it is a new position and could happen immediately.
If and when strikers return to work i would advise keeping their heads down, snide comments or inimidation of none striking crews would allmost certainly lead to harrasment charges and disciplinary procedures. You may be able to intimidate from the picket line..not at work.
I would certainly resume my travels with BA, but not until i knew the trouble makers weren't there anymore to potentially disrupt my plans.
99% of the CC have been pleasant, no real interaction. However 1% have been plain rude and snotty with a request for a bottle of water mid flight on a return ( window seat and two unknown people soundly asleep between me and the aisle) was met with a " can't you see im busy" and storm off to the back of the plane.
Anyway. I can find no sympathy for the strikers at present, 27K take home is more than i earn gross! (im lucky and my wife earns considerably more than me) I work for local government investigating serious injuries/fatalities in road accidents, looking at causes and designing solutions.
I would not call the strikers antics professional, nor has anyone i have chatted to. in fact even though im a union member and have been since i started work and would resign rather than my union support Unite and bassa..BASSA needs to be crushed because it is not imo working on behalf of its members, only itself.
Perks such as TS are imo not contractual benefits and can be removed at any time. that BA told people twice before striking this, they are surprised they were taken away? imagine a none contractual attendance bonus, someone is off, no bonus..try arguing out of that.
I am full of admiration for those not striking, trying to keep BA and our national carrier going. I have heard so many concerns about inimidation from strikers, the chants, name calling, emails and texts. And they have the audacity to complain about being bullied and inimidated?
I believe the 90 day redundency recruitment is only if the same position is to be filled. However, if say a CSD was made redundant and replaced with a New fleet CC..that isn't a like for like replacement, it is a new position and could happen immediately.
If and when strikers return to work i would advise keeping their heads down, snide comments or inimidation of none striking crews would allmost certainly lead to harrasment charges and disciplinary procedures. You may be able to intimidate from the picket line..not at work.
I would certainly resume my travels with BA, but not until i knew the trouble makers weren't there anymore to potentially disrupt my plans.
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Non-strikers' attitudes to strikers' ST loss
Bear in mind that loss of ST is not just a negative for those who lose it, it's a bonus for those who don't. It shifts people from a position ahead of you in the queue for those last few standby seats, to behind you - even if they get it back with no seniority.
If the numbers who have lost ST are in the low thousands or even the high hundreds, it *will* make a difference to the travel chances of other employees (or retirees
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If the numbers who have lost ST are in the low thousands or even the high hundreds, it *will* make a difference to the travel chances of other employees (or retirees
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So far, the only pictures I have seen of the strikers show a poseur in a 'little douce coupé' and some generously proportioned ladies guzzling grog.
The Met should park up outside and breath test the lot of them when they leave.
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Anyone out there able to answer this?
I wonder what BA's stance is going to be tommorrow, the first 'non strike' day of this cohort, with the crew who have been on strike over this period, whom presumably will make themselves available to fly on Saturday?
There has been no comment on this on the cabin crew thread, but personally I feel Mr Walsh should 'non op' them for the day, which means they will get a basic days pay but no flying allowances, rather than have them come in to work to further pollute the pool.
Anyone any thoughts or inside information? As ex BA crew now retired I am banned from asking on the BA V BASSA thread, so will be interested to hear from anyone in the know.
Over the last few days I have spoken to several working crew, and the general gist is that the Crew Report Centre is less frenetic or crowded, as BA seem to have been getting their ducks in a row numbers wise to cover their requirements for operating crew.
I'M BACKING BA! (Albeit from my armchair as despite my offer BA don't need old fogies to help as they have plenty of volunteer cabin crew!)
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There has been no comment on this on the cabin crew thread, but personally I feel Mr Walsh should 'non op' them for the day, which means they will get a basic days pay but no flying allowances, rather than have them come in to work to further pollute the pool.
Anyone any thoughts or inside information? As ex BA crew now retired I am banned from asking on the BA V BASSA thread, so will be interested to hear from anyone in the know.
Over the last few days I have spoken to several working crew, and the general gist is that the Crew Report Centre is less frenetic or crowded, as BA seem to have been getting their ducks in a row numbers wise to cover their requirements for operating crew.
I'M BACKING BA! (Albeit from my armchair as despite my offer BA don't need old fogies to help as they have plenty of volunteer cabin crew!)
Oldfly Boy
So far, the only pictures I have seen of the strikers
"Simon Calder advocates that Mr Walsh gives into Bassa & restores ST to the strikers"
No matter what else was agreed that would be spun by BASSA as a major victory (" see, your Union promised to look after you"). Willie has given enough by giving ST back at all to the strikers.
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is there actually a strike by cc still on? i only ask because if you look through the flight status on ba.com for today you wouldn't think there was!
BA Strike update - day 12
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By 9am, 121 of these were cancelled - 20 of these are long haul and include flights to major and lucrative destinations including New York, Newark, Boston, Tel Aviv and Johannesburg.
101 Eurofleet flights were also cancelled .
101 Eurofleet flights were also cancelled .
Not only do BA pay for carriers to take the passengers, they hand over the revenue from these flights too. Qantas, Iberia and Aer Lingus are the main beneficiaries today operating BA flights to Bangkok, Sydney, Melbourne, Madrid and Dublin.
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I'm most certainly not on the side of the strikers, far from it, but I see no reason why staff travel should not be reinstated
It doesn't matter what those who've not been on strike think or want, especially as they personally stand to benefit from it being withdrawn
You can't start punishing people for taking part in legal strike action, no matter how much some of us might like to see that, it's just spiteful
Not being paid should be "punishment" enough to placate those who have been working
It doesn't matter what those who've not been on strike think or want, especially as they personally stand to benefit from it being withdrawn
You can't start punishing people for taking part in legal strike action, no matter how much some of us might like to see that, it's just spiteful
Not being paid should be "punishment" enough to placate those who have been working
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Strange case of luck
It's strange how things can turn out at times. Being faced with distrupted travel plans is a nightmare, but somehow things have worked in my favour on a couple of occasions with this ongoing dispute.
I can't say I thank for the strikers, because I am far from supporting them. But from another perspective I do.
I was travelling to BCN over Xmas and was wondering if Xmas would be cancelled that year. Fortunately, the injunction lead to business and usual and we have a great break. BA doing their best to thank their customers for staying with them, we received 10k BA miles each on our Exec Club membership.
Great, thanks for that I was able to utlilse this extra miles to book J-Class upgrades to YVR in May....
Or not as the case was. My flight this week was cancelled, but before BA released the schedule I decided to move the dates to just after the strike.
As another strange case of luck, I have been hit with a nasty virus all week. Not that the virus is lucky, but the fact that I didn't travel is. Nothing worse than being ill on your hols.
So in a odd way, thanks for the strike it's helped me. But, on the other hand, sort it out as you are wrecking thousands of other peoples plans.
I can't say I thank for the strikers, because I am far from supporting them. But from another perspective I do.
I was travelling to BCN over Xmas and was wondering if Xmas would be cancelled that year. Fortunately, the injunction lead to business and usual and we have a great break. BA doing their best to thank their customers for staying with them, we received 10k BA miles each on our Exec Club membership.
Great, thanks for that I was able to utlilse this extra miles to book J-Class upgrades to YVR in May....
Or not as the case was. My flight this week was cancelled, but before BA released the schedule I decided to move the dates to just after the strike.
As another strange case of luck, I have been hit with a nasty virus all week. Not that the virus is lucky, but the fact that I didn't travel is. Nothing worse than being ill on your hols.
So in a odd way, thanks for the strike it's helped me. But, on the other hand, sort it out as you are wrecking thousands of other peoples plans.
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Simpson tweets
Simpson has just accused Mr Walsh of blocking any deal. When will Unite wake up to the reality that he will not give ground on either reinstating ST or sacked employees.
I'd forgotten just how thick are these union leaders. These 2 are so bad they manage to make Scargill seem like a potential Mastermind.
I'd forgotten just how thick are these union leaders. These 2 are so bad they manage to make Scargill seem like a potential Mastermind.
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Unusual for the boss of a trade organisation to take a pot shot at the staff of a particular company, but the IATA boss has...
International Air Transport Association chief executive, Giovanni Bisignani, has launched a surprise attack on British Airways’ staff, as a walkout by trade union members enters its fifth day. Bisignani described the current labour dispute as unbelievable at a time when the entire airline industry is struggling to pull itself out of a crippling recession.
The trade body leader said that deciding to strike in the current economic climate showed that Unite members were divorced from reality. He added that airline employees must realise that their paycheques were reliant on the performance of the company that they worked for, and that at the moment, the economic turbulence in the world made business extremely tough.
The trade body leader said that deciding to strike in the current economic climate showed that Unite members were divorced from reality. He added that airline employees must realise that their paycheques were reliant on the performance of the company that they worked for, and that at the moment, the economic turbulence in the world made business extremely tough.
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Re Unite's day 12 update, it says not only that quoted above, but also
Of the 333 flights BA said it was scheduled to operate today:
Also on the BA website, all the New York flights are going, and only 1 Newark is cancelled. 5 of the NY flights (incl Newark) have departed, the last 2 are still scheduled according to Flightstats.
Unite seem to be using the normal schedule as a comparative, not the strike one, and as far as New York (at least) is concerned, haven't even got that right.
Of the 333 flights BA said it was scheduled to operate today:
- By 9am, 121 of these were cancelled - 20 of these are long haul and include flights to major and lucrative destinations including New York, Newark, Boston, Tel Aviv and Johannesburg.
- 101 Eurofleet flights were also cancelled .
Also on the BA website, all the New York flights are going, and only 1 Newark is cancelled. 5 of the NY flights (incl Newark) have departed, the last 2 are still scheduled according to Flightstats.
Unite seem to be using the normal schedule as a comparative, not the strike one, and as far as New York (at least) is concerned, haven't even got that right.
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Your crew will have left LHR on the BA143 on Friday, which is a 'strike' day.
Bring the choccies!
Dave
Your crew will have left LHR on the BA143 on Friday, which is a 'strike' day.
Bring the choccies!
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Commute on Standby?
I have a question which I haven't seen addressed either here on on the airline crew thread. Perhaps someone ex-airline could clarify it for me?
How is it that staff travel tickets are supposedly on a standby basis, yet some staff use them to commute to work? How can you risk a standby ticket if it means you might not get to work on time?
How is it that staff travel tickets are supposedly on a standby basis, yet some staff use them to commute to work? How can you risk a standby ticket if it means you might not get to work on time?