BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions
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Todays' Times is reporting possible additional strikes dates from April 14th. The kids go back to school on the 19th so a lot of families travelling back from Easter holidays could be made to suffer. Not an indication of a trade union concerned about the impact of the strike on the public, or has its desperation reached a new level?
I am curious how strike dates are chosen. Presumably by the leaders but without consultation with the members.
I am curious how strike dates are chosen. Presumably by the leaders but without consultation with the members.
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Other will undoubtedly chip in, but basically:
Safety training is all part of the flight crew's training, so that's easy.
Scheduling is an art form - flight crew will fit in CC work as appropriate under the regulations.
A pilot in a dress is a beautiful sight
Safety training is all part of the flight crew's training, so that's easy.
Scheduling is an art form - flight crew will fit in CC work as appropriate under the regulations.
A pilot in a dress is a beautiful sight
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Some may, but acknowledge the fact that many are and assisting BA in maintaining a very robust service under the circumstances
CC reporting numbers increase day by day, and I feel, as ex crew will continue to do so
Unite are in face saving mode - shame they didnt think through their actions before their macho attitude took hold. Irony is that I am certain that the proposed levy will see their overall number of members shrink even further - not least the non CC BA members that must feel that they are having their faces rubbed in the salt just to allow Tony and Loony Len to save face
CC reporting numbers increase day by day, and I feel, as ex crew will continue to do so
Unite are in face saving mode - shame they didnt think through their actions before their macho attitude took hold. Irony is that I am certain that the proposed levy will see their overall number of members shrink even further - not least the non CC BA members that must feel that they are having their faces rubbed in the salt just to allow Tony and Loony Len to save face
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Andy S - It would be a great shame if this thread turned towards disrespecting BA CC. The majority are good people, doing a good job. There are undoubtedly some, as in any other workplace, who either have an over-inflated idea of their self-importance or who are simply fixated by Trades Union mentality.
My view on BA CC has shifted dramatically over the last few months,. Please don't let the majority suffer for the sins of the few.
My view on BA CC has shifted dramatically over the last few months,. Please don't let the majority suffer for the sins of the few.
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First to Ian100, I don't believe I thanked you for your previous link regarding Unite's financial statement. It was an interesting read.
spock33: Thank you for this post. I remain impressed, even taking a clinical view, at BA's ability to cope with this situation. Some very qualified minds went into not only setting the goals, but achieving them.
Lou Scannon: Excellent
Nicholas49: I met my husband when he was a Senior Captain in the U.S. Navy. Never underestimate the power of a man in uniform.
..and Andy_S, you receive my vote for comment of the day. My screen nearly had a dose of white wine, with ice.
spock33: Thank you for this post. I remain impressed, even taking a clinical view, at BA's ability to cope with this situation. Some very qualified minds went into not only setting the goals, but achieving them.
Lou Scannon: Excellent
Nicholas49: I met my husband when he was a Senior Captain in the U.S. Navy. Never underestimate the power of a man in uniform.
..and Andy_S, you receive my vote for comment of the day. My screen nearly had a dose of white wine, with ice.
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Originally Posted by Nicholas49
1) pilots have more stringent flight time limitations than cabin crew, so if some pilots are indeed working in the cabin, does this not disrupt their flying schedules and calculated rest periods etc.?
If "Untie" start asking me for money to support these clowns they can (to paraphrase LaLa Malone) "Foxtrot (ROMEO) Oscar!"
I'm already at the point of cancelling my membership in the light of having seen Untie in action. I'm not sure I want to rely on these dinosaurs in the event of my having to call on their services.
Nicholas..
Q1)"Pilots have more stringent flight time limitations than cabin crew, so if some pilots are indeed working in the cabin, does this not disrupt their flying schedules and calculated rest periods etc.?"
Answer: In the main the pilots working in the Cabin are off the fleets BA was planning to stand down on strike days..in the main off the Airbus or 747, therefore they are working in the Cabin instead of on the Flight Deck, so there's no conflict of Duty hours.
Q2) "perhaps a slightly sensitive subject, but having read comments on this website, I think it is fair to say that some pilots believe they are 'above' working as cabin crew, if that is tactful way of putting it. There was a report on the BBC News website of a BA captain serving drinks in the cabin on a trans-atlantic flight. What do others think of this?"
Answer: Not sure why anyone thinks this, I've not met any pilot who believes they are above working in the Cabin, and if anyone did have issues with doing this it's simple - don't volunteer.
Q3) "are pilots trained to carry out the duties of cabin crew? I do not mean serving drinks, I was thinking instead of being qualified to do the safety demonstration; co-ordinate an emergeny evacuation from the cabin rather than FD etc."
Answer: We all undergo routine training in safety procedures every year and the volunteers have had enhanced training for things such as the safety demo. over the last few weeks.
Q4) "what uniform do you wear? Again, I find it hard to believe a BA captain would wear a male flight attendant's uniform. Am I wrong"
Answer: The pilots working in the Cabin are wearing normal uniform minus their rank slides....
Answer: In the main the pilots working in the Cabin are off the fleets BA was planning to stand down on strike days..in the main off the Airbus or 747, therefore they are working in the Cabin instead of on the Flight Deck, so there's no conflict of Duty hours.
Q2) "perhaps a slightly sensitive subject, but having read comments on this website, I think it is fair to say that some pilots believe they are 'above' working as cabin crew, if that is tactful way of putting it. There was a report on the BBC News website of a BA captain serving drinks in the cabin on a trans-atlantic flight. What do others think of this?"
Answer: Not sure why anyone thinks this, I've not met any pilot who believes they are above working in the Cabin, and if anyone did have issues with doing this it's simple - don't volunteer.
Q3) "are pilots trained to carry out the duties of cabin crew? I do not mean serving drinks, I was thinking instead of being qualified to do the safety demonstration; co-ordinate an emergeny evacuation from the cabin rather than FD etc."
Answer: We all undergo routine training in safety procedures every year and the volunteers have had enhanced training for things such as the safety demo. over the last few weeks.
Q4) "what uniform do you wear? Again, I find it hard to believe a BA captain would wear a male flight attendant's uniform. Am I wrong"
Answer: The pilots working in the Cabin are wearing normal uniform minus their rank slides....
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the cost
Interesting
BA say the cost of the strikes so far are £50m
Unite says it is £100m
As BA/WW/BF told the unions that in any future deal the cost of the strike action would be added to the savings originally asked for.......
Is this bragging on the cost wise??????
BA say the cost of the strikes so far are £50m
Unite says it is £100m
As BA/WW/BF told the unions that in any future deal the cost of the strike action would be added to the savings originally asked for.......
Is this bragging on the cost wise??????
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If "Untie" start asking me for money to support these clowns they can (to paraphrase LaLa Malone) "Foxtrot (ROMEO) Oscar!"
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From the CC Thread
Where can I claim for a new keyboard?
Originally Posted by Litebulbs
I imagine whatever the result of this dispute, there are going to be some major changes in how Unite and BA do business.
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Bassa Council on Strike ?
Does anybody know whether the Bassa Council members (LaLa and the Kitchen Fitter and their mates) have been rostered for work during the two strikes and have dutifully not turned up and are now liable for sanctions?
Did they lead from the front?
Did they lead from the front?
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That being the case, if you're unfit to work then that applies to any function? Be that CSD or Union Official? In that case I presume that she is not claiming any money from BASSA.
A dodgy foot is a dodgy foot and I would be disgusted is she was claiming members funds at anything more than £30 per day if the above reasoning can be shown to lack logic and a sense of fair play
A dodgy foot is a dodgy foot and I would be disgusted is she was claiming members funds at anything more than £30 per day if the above reasoning can be shown to lack logic and a sense of fair play
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Anyone else watching bacabincrew's posturing on the other board.
He/she seems quite capable of dropping little tidbits but responding to a specific request for an opinion or reaction to a negative is quite beyond his/her cabilities.
I totally understand, and agree, with the moderators decision to close down that thread for the time being to just active serving crew. It has definitely cleared, during a rather difficult period, much of the more coarse commentary, but my goodness, he/she represents such a fun opportunity for engagement regarding facts.
While diversity of opinion is definitely a plus, I don't believe in soft-pedaling comments to an individual who cannot respond with substance just because they represent a different viewpoint.
Represent your viewpoint, but please, do it with some substance.
He/she seems quite capable of dropping little tidbits but responding to a specific request for an opinion or reaction to a negative is quite beyond his/her cabilities.
I totally understand, and agree, with the moderators decision to close down that thread for the time being to just active serving crew. It has definitely cleared, during a rather difficult period, much of the more coarse commentary, but my goodness, he/she represents such a fun opportunity for engagement regarding facts.
While diversity of opinion is definitely a plus, I don't believe in soft-pedaling comments to an individual who cannot respond with substance just because they represent a different viewpoint.
Represent your viewpoint, but please, do it with some substance.
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That guy's great, isn't he?
For anyone who missed it (It may have been moderated by now)
A BA pilot just remarked what a breath of fresh air it was to work with keen cabin crew colleagues without the oppressive hand of BASSA bearing down on them. He further expressed the quite reasonable opinion that the company would be a much nicer place in which to work if the militants stayed away for good.
Our hero replied that said pilots' posting was "Quite disgusting and intimidatory"
For anyone who missed it (It may have been moderated by now)
A BA pilot just remarked what a breath of fresh air it was to work with keen cabin crew colleagues without the oppressive hand of BASSA bearing down on them. He further expressed the quite reasonable opinion that the company would be a much nicer place in which to work if the militants stayed away for good.
Our hero replied that said pilots' posting was "Quite disgusting and intimidatory"