BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions
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They could have left the flights fully crewed without dropping one member of staff (to save money) and be better off?
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I do not have the information of how many WW planes are available though I am sure it is not 2800 (I really have no idea)
So if it were only 280 WW planes that would be ten years! of an extra flight attendant per flight ?
No extra attendant and it would be just £4.2m a year extra profit
Jack McH
So if it were only 280 WW planes that would be ten years! of an extra flight attendant per flight ?
No extra attendant and it would be just £4.2m a year extra profit
Jack McH
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Broke the rules
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Whilst I admit I broke the rules
(Permanent ban)
I posted neutrally vital information to staff on the bassa thread
I openly stated I was not staff nor a member of an airline
I stated openly that I was neutral and was not allowed to state an opinion legally
I posted legal information that was vital to ALL BA Staff
I stated that I was not encouraging staff NOT to strike
I posted government FACTS that would enable staff not to get into SERIOUS DEBT striking or not I was neutral
The link I posted was as you can see genuine truth
Staff would not be paid child care or working tax as classed as unemployed
Now some of your ladies(and guys) may go ahead and pay £1200 child care not knowing that the GOV will no longer pay it this month and they would have to re-apply
Yes I broke your rules posting as a non staff member, but the information was true and vital, to some poor soul who is now going to pay £1200 for child care and find that there are no funds in their account to pay it incurring bank charges and in debt of £1200 to boot
I have NEVER posted anything else other than truthful help to your members
I have posted and stated non airline staff other Government information that has been and still is available
This draws the conclusion that YOU Moderator are not neutral yourself and wish to cause damage to some staff (OR you are a different moderator to the rest Yes I broke the rules though for a good enough reason)
Again I stated I WAS NOT CC OR EVEN AIRLINE STAFF but posted vital information to your friends and family NOT to encourage NOT to strike but to make them AWARE, to save them from finacial damage if they so wished,
So be it I tried
Regards NOT CC NOT AIRLINE STAFF
Jack McHammocklashing
Whilst I admit I broke the rules
(Permanent ban)
I posted neutrally vital information to staff on the bassa thread
I openly stated I was not staff nor a member of an airline
I stated openly that I was neutral and was not allowed to state an opinion legally
I posted legal information that was vital to ALL BA Staff
I stated that I was not encouraging staff NOT to strike
I posted government FACTS that would enable staff not to get into SERIOUS DEBT striking or not I was neutral
The link I posted was as you can see genuine truth
Staff would not be paid child care or working tax as classed as unemployed
Now some of your ladies(and guys) may go ahead and pay £1200 child care not knowing that the GOV will no longer pay it this month and they would have to re-apply
Yes I broke your rules posting as a non staff member, but the information was true and vital, to some poor soul who is now going to pay £1200 for child care and find that there are no funds in their account to pay it incurring bank charges and in debt of £1200 to boot
I have NEVER posted anything else other than truthful help to your members
I have posted and stated non airline staff other Government information that has been and still is available
This draws the conclusion that YOU Moderator are not neutral yourself and wish to cause damage to some staff (OR you are a different moderator to the rest Yes I broke the rules though for a good enough reason)
Again I stated I WAS NOT CC OR EVEN AIRLINE STAFF but posted vital information to your friends and family NOT to encourage NOT to strike but to make them AWARE, to save them from finacial damage if they so wished,
So be it I tried
Regards NOT CC NOT AIRLINE STAFF
Jack McHammocklashing
I don't know if this has been pointed out at all...
On one of the news programmes, they interviewed a cabin crew member, who basically said that she "found it difficult to survive" on the basic pay, but also in the same screen shot is another Unite member holding a banner saying "WE OFFERED A PAYCUT".
From an outsiders point of view, it doesn't look like everybody is singing from the same hymn sheet on the Unite front?
On one of the news programmes, they interviewed a cabin crew member, who basically said that she "found it difficult to survive" on the basic pay, but also in the same screen shot is another Unite member holding a banner saying "WE OFFERED A PAYCUT".
From an outsiders point of view, it doesn't look like everybody is singing from the same hymn sheet on the Unite front?
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It's difficult to take their claims seriously when they're obviously having such a jolly time of it on their picket lines. 
Steady on there, friend! Jack, if you'd seen the bile and vitriol that's been vented on that thread by all and sundry in the past, you'd understand why the mods have to cull it at regular intervals. To simplify that, they've imposed a rule that it's for current BA employeees only.
There have even been bans for long-serving retired pilots before now, so it's not just them picking on you. If the mods left it to its own devices it would be nothing but an unintelligible stream of insults and emoticons by now.
It's their train set. let's leave them to it to run it as they see fit eh?
Originally Posted by JackMcHammocklashing
This draws the conclusion that YOU Moderator are not neutral yourself and wish to cause damage to some staff
There have even been bans for long-serving retired pilots before now, so it's not just them picking on you. If the mods left it to its own devices it would be nothing but an unintelligible stream of insults and emoticons by now.
It's their train set. let's leave them to it to run it as they see fit eh?
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Yesterday I happened to be in the Cranebank area just East of Heathrow.
Twice I saw the Unite battlebus pass by with its upper deck packed with very noisy flag waving crew.
I did hear one vehicle toot its horn.
If this is a simple test of public support then Unite are in deep touble with this dispute.
Twice I saw the Unite battlebus pass by with its upper deck packed with very noisy flag waving crew.
I did hear one vehicle toot its horn.
If this is a simple test of public support then Unite are in deep touble with this dispute.
I do not have the information of how many WW planes are available though I am sure it is not 2800 (I really have no idea)
So if it were only 280 WW planes that would be ten years! of an extra flight attendant per flight ?
No extra attendant and it would be just £4.2m a year extra profit
So if it were only 280 WW planes that would be ten years! of an extra flight attendant per flight ?
No extra attendant and it would be just £4.2m a year extra profit
)Your numbers quoted above are based upon a single crew for an aircraft. Whereas, I would estimate perhaps 5-6 full crews (or more) are required for each LH aircraft, so you'll need to revise your figures accordingly.
As to your post re the mods, why not post that "vital information" here?
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I've heard similar reports and also that there were 40 people who participated in their big march. Though its hard to gather public support while wearing t-shirts that show Willie Walsh as Hitler and mens underwear with Mr. Walsh's face on the seat 
What are their leaders thinking??
Does anyone have the numbers of Cabin Crew reporting for work yesterday?
Yesterday I happened to be in the Cranebank area just East of Heathrow.
Twice I saw the Unite battlebus pass by with its upper deck packed with very noisy flag waving crew.
I did hear one vehicle toot its horn.
If this is a simple test of public support then Unite are in deep touble with this dispute.
Twice I saw the Unite battlebus pass by with its upper deck packed with very noisy flag waving crew.
I did hear one vehicle toot its horn.
If this is a simple test of public support then Unite are in deep touble with this dispute.
What are their leaders thinking??
Does anyone have the numbers of Cabin Crew reporting for work yesterday?
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I've heard similar reports and also that there were 40 people who participated in their big march.
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beamender99:
Looks like more than the 40 or 50 that the police estimate was, though certainly not overwhelming.
..and there is that underwear
Jack:
I agree with Mariner9, just post your information here or on one of the other numerous threads here....or try to start one on strike cost issues.
Your comment:
...is truly unreasonable. The rules are very clear.
Looks like more than the 40 or 50 that the police estimate was, though certainly not overwhelming.
..and there is that underwear
Jack:
I agree with Mariner9, just post your information here or on one of the other numerous threads here....or try to start one on strike cost issues.
Your comment:
This draws the conclusion that YOU Moderator are not neutral yourself and wish to cause damage to some staff
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Hmm. That video certainly does make it very clear just who is doing the "Intimidating" doesn't it? 
It makes me angry that people are feeling threatened while all they're trying to do is to carry out their jobs.
I wonder how brave some of those shouting "Shame on you - scabbing crew" would be in a one-to-one situation with the targets of their abuse? Not very, is my bet. Like all bullies.
Where's the :wa: emoticon when you need it?
It makes me angry that people are feeling threatened while all they're trying to do is to carry out their jobs.
I wonder how brave some of those shouting "Shame on you - scabbing crew" would be in a one-to-one situation with the targets of their abuse? Not very, is my bet. Like all bullies.
Where's the :wa: emoticon when you need it?
Andy S - It would be a great shame if this thread turned towards disrespecting BA CC. The majority are good people, doing a good job. There are undoubtedly some, as in any other workplace, who either have an over-inflated idea of their self-importance or who are simply fixated by Trades Union mentality.
My remark was primarily directed at those CSD's who seem to think that pushing a trolley is beneath them, even to the extent that they'll try and bring BA to it's knees rather than suffer such an indignity, but also to those CC who seem to regard the paying passengers as a nuisance that needs to be dealt with as quickly as possible so they can get on with the important business of putting their feet up and nattering. I have the utmost respect for the many professional and hard working BA cabin crew who have got on with the job without complaint.
Some humourous creativity required??
If the BA CC that work are called "scabs", what should the strikers be called.
The best I've seen on the BA - only thread is "Sores".
What do you think - come on JSL, GG and Tira - you must be fed up with being called scabs. What would be a humourous term for the strikers?.
The best I've seen on the BA - only thread is "Sores".
What do you think - come on JSL, GG and Tira - you must be fed up with being called scabs. What would be a humourous term for the strikers?.
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I can not get my head around this
Not just the current BA strike,but all others
BA currently it has cost them £42M or 2800 staff salaries?
They could have left the flights fully crewed without dropping one member of staff (to save money) and be better off?
Not just the current BA strike,but all others
BA currently it has cost them £42M or 2800 staff salaries?
They could have left the flights fully crewed without dropping one member of staff (to save money) and be better off?
Question : How dumb and out of touch with commercial reality would you have to be, to have your CEO's face printed on your (covered) arse and be filmed doing so? Anyone with that mindset ought not to be looking after me on board.
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R4 Just now.
I didn't hear all of it, but the You and Yours programme was running an item on Industrial Action and BA/BASSA in particular. First up was an LHR CC who, while obviously quite nervous, simply trotted out the BASSA line; 'Imposition - I work Christmas - miss my family - Willie is a bad man etc.' He even said he thought Walsh was 'looking quite unwell'. Only strike breaking crew could tell really - they are the ones who have seen him.
The statement (open letter?) from Walsh to Woodley was quite interesting and seemed to imply that if BASSA put the last 'non offer' to the members, it might be put back in play. There would be a slight distraction while BASSA did so and, if there wasn't too much crowing and mouth music from the Union, Walsh might reactivate the offer and give BASSA a way out. Does anyone see that as a possibility? The sticking point will be Staff Travel and the union might be hung for that as for anything else.
My nephew is a BA FO and has served drinks and pushed trolleys on both weekends. I hear that the atmosphere was brilliant and everyone, including the passengers, had a great time. Seems a shame to spoil it by bringing back those that don't see it that way?
Roger
The statement (open letter?) from Walsh to Woodley was quite interesting and seemed to imply that if BASSA put the last 'non offer' to the members, it might be put back in play. There would be a slight distraction while BASSA did so and, if there wasn't too much crowing and mouth music from the Union, Walsh might reactivate the offer and give BASSA a way out. Does anyone see that as a possibility? The sticking point will be Staff Travel and the union might be hung for that as for anything else.
My nephew is a BA FO and has served drinks and pushed trolleys on both weekends. I hear that the atmosphere was brilliant and everyone, including the passengers, had a great time. Seems a shame to spoil it by bringing back those that don't see it that way?
Roger
I have flown over a long time on and off with BA and I would surmise that the standard of CC service has declined somewhat over the years but I think that is life in general these days for whatever reasons. I support the working CC if for no other reason in that I abhorr the bully boy tactics as apparently is being used by certain strikers, I would also like to see BA remain as a viable airline.
I do have a question though that was alluded to in earlier posts and that is that when BA management were fined for their dirty tricks escapades who is it that actually stumps up the money? I would have thought that if the management instigated the crimes then they should be the ones to cough up or is that too simplistic?
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I do have a question though that was alluded to in earlier posts and that is that when BA management were fined for their dirty tricks escapades who is it that actually stumps up the money? I would have thought that if the management instigated the crimes then they should be the ones to cough up or is that too simplistic?
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If the BA CC that work are called "scabs", what should the strikers be called.
The best I've seen on the BA - only thread is "Sores".
What do you think - come on JSL, GG and Tira - you must be fed up with being called scabs. What would be a humourous term for the strikers?.
The best I've seen on the BA - only thread is "Sores".
What do you think - come on JSL, GG and Tira - you must be fed up with being called scabs. What would be a humourous term for the strikers?.