BA Strike - Your Thoughts & Questions
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Interesting.
I see on the other thread someone has posted a link to a Mirror story from "Jayne" a CC member, which in part reads.....
'Jayne knows she's a national hate figure. Walking down the street in her blue uniform, the air stewardess faces a barrage of abuse and vile hand gestures.
Her British Airways colleagues have been spat at in the face by irate passengers during their industrial action.'
Do they really think we will believe this rubbish.....if she's on strike, why is she wearing her uniform, the CC strikers I've seen on TV appear in fancy dress and pants with WW's face on them.
She also claims that many crew are on drugs for one reason or another and are suicidal......hopefully the whole sad saga is untrue. If true, there are safety issues and if not, I'd rather not fly with someone that delusional!
'Jayne knows she's a national hate figure. Walking down the street in her blue uniform, the air stewardess faces a barrage of abuse and vile hand gestures.
Her British Airways colleagues have been spat at in the face by irate passengers during their industrial action.'
Do they really think we will believe this rubbish.....if she's on strike, why is she wearing her uniform, the CC strikers I've seen on TV appear in fancy dress and pants with WW's face on them.
She also claims that many crew are on drugs for one reason or another and are suicidal......hopefully the whole sad saga is untrue. If true, there are safety issues and if not, I'd rather not fly with someone that delusional!
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I see on the other thread someone has posted a link to a Mirror story from "Jayne" a CC member,
"most" cc are on drugs of one sort or another she says, "no sleep for a week" - honestly, it's just bull, start to end....!!
I'm off now to locate an e-mail address for the lazy hack that printed it...
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I find it quite worrying and I think a massive Bassa own goal with the Jayne story in the Mirror.
Bassa campaigned about safety, and used this as a way to scare people about the ability of the VCC that are helping people keep flying. My question would be are we really safer it it is a real situation where cc are drugged up on the planes........
If you can't cope with the stress of the job - find something less stressful, surely health comes before anything!
This dispute is damaging the airline more and more by the day!
Bassa campaigned about safety, and used this as a way to scare people about the ability of the VCC that are helping people keep flying. My question would be are we really safer it it is a real situation where cc are drugged up on the planes........
If you can't cope with the stress of the job - find something less stressful, surely health comes before anything!
This dispute is damaging the airline more and more by the day!
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I think a massive Bassa own goal with the Jayne story in the Mirror.
Reporting of the worst kind in my view that gives rise to recieved wisdom akin to the belief that all long distance road-train drivers in Oz are on speed..!
Am I right in thinking this is only appearing in the on-line version and not in the actual rag itself?
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When reading the "Jayne" saga its important to remember that we have an example of BASSA using this sort of ploy in recent history.
I do believe that Channel 4 interviewed a Cabin Crew member who declined to give his name. This individual spoke of the bullying that was occurring and the abusive nature of BA towards its Cabin Crew.
That individual ended up being identified as none other than Duncan Holley, who rarely worked and was a BASSA Sec. with a personal financial interest in the union membership's dues structure.
Jayne could be Liz Malone for all we know.
I do believe that Channel 4 interviewed a Cabin Crew member who declined to give his name. This individual spoke of the bullying that was occurring and the abusive nature of BA towards its Cabin Crew.
That individual ended up being identified as none other than Duncan Holley, who rarely worked and was a BASSA Sec. with a personal financial interest in the union membership's dues structure.
Jayne could be Liz Malone for all we know.
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BASSA membership still falling.
I see (today) that the BASSA website claims 9926 members, this from 10800 in November and 10434 in late January. Could it be that at least some of the members are realising that the agenda the the union is pursuing is one to which they no longer wish to subscribe?
Self Interest..........????
An interesting point from the other place. Eddy made the point once in an aside, but did not return to it.........
If the largest part of the strikers are the on-board "supervisors" known in BA as CSDs and pursers, then IF they are all dismissed, (for whatever reason, and by whatever route) there might well be LOTS of vacancies and "promotions" for the non-strikers.
(As I've said in an earlier post, these jobs need to be changed radically) - but if BA do not change them, then the non-strikers now have a strong interest in 2 things...........
1. Not giving back the seniority for ST.............that "jumps" the non-strikers over the strikers in their ability to get cheap tickets and board the planes.
2. Getting the senior strikers sacked. Lots of promotions possible.
Ah, the delights of comradeship.
If the largest part of the strikers are the on-board "supervisors" known in BA as CSDs and pursers, then IF they are all dismissed, (for whatever reason, and by whatever route) there might well be LOTS of vacancies and "promotions" for the non-strikers.
(As I've said in an earlier post, these jobs need to be changed radically) - but if BA do not change them, then the non-strikers now have a strong interest in 2 things...........
1. Not giving back the seniority for ST.............that "jumps" the non-strikers over the strikers in their ability to get cheap tickets and board the planes.
2. Getting the senior strikers sacked. Lots of promotions possible.
Ah, the delights of comradeship.
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Jane... of the Mirror
Maybe you're too young to remember the Jane strip cartoon in the Daily Mirror .... I use the word Strip advisedly.... a lovely (and often undressed) character. Wasn't Garth her boyfriend and was her dog called Toto? She was certainly an icon of WWII but if I remember correctly met her demise in the 70s (I await correction).
Maybe Jayne rekindles memories in the dyslexic minds of the Mirror's editors? She certainly appears to be a fictional character.
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Maybe Jayne rekindles memories in the dyslexic minds of the Mirror's editors? She certainly appears to be a fictional character.
RK
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From the reports on the 'other' thread this whole strike business seems to be dying on it's feet. From about 6 reports an hour we're down to almost that number per day. Everyone has just lost interest. It's completely run out of steam-although BFC/Bassa/Unite will probalby tell you there's still plenty of other types of beer!
The Americans have a neat adage. "If you're not part of the solution-consider-are you part of the problem". But then DH/DS/TW have never claimed to be anything but (dyed in the wool) Englishmen.
I accept that the job of cabin attendant can be stressful at times-tell me a well paid job that isn't. Show me a business where the managment are always treated as the new best friend. They're there to manage and make a profit, not win the popularity constest. But if they do make a profit and jobs are more secure surely that's win/win.
From what I've seen too many BA management types over far too long have meekly rolled over when the CC union has barked, which is why this stink has visited them now. Fortunately Willie doesn't seem diposed to roll over for Unite this time. No-one has EVER stood up to them before and not only do they not like it but they've never experienced it from BA. The term 'a buggers muddle' springs to mind.
Coffee has a strong smell and it should be wafting Unite/Bassa's way by now-if they're even awake yet. Judging by the threads and the media coverage this is now a non-news story. Unless the unions earnestly try to salvage something from this Willie will have their collective heads sooner rather than later. They deserve nothing more.
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The Americans have a neat adage. "If you're not part of the solution-consider-are you part of the problem". But then DH/DS/TW have never claimed to be anything but (dyed in the wool) Englishmen.
I accept that the job of cabin attendant can be stressful at times-tell me a well paid job that isn't. Show me a business where the managment are always treated as the new best friend. They're there to manage and make a profit, not win the popularity constest. But if they do make a profit and jobs are more secure surely that's win/win.
From what I've seen too many BA management types over far too long have meekly rolled over when the CC union has barked, which is why this stink has visited them now. Fortunately Willie doesn't seem diposed to roll over for Unite this time. No-one has EVER stood up to them before and not only do they not like it but they've never experienced it from BA. The term 'a buggers muddle' springs to mind.
Coffee has a strong smell and it should be wafting Unite/Bassa's way by now-if they're even awake yet. Judging by the threads and the media coverage this is now a non-news story. Unless the unions earnestly try to salvage something from this Willie will have their collective heads sooner rather than later. They deserve nothing more.
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So who allegedly hacked into the BA advert in the LHR News to show a boarding pass accessible by iPhone with a picture of Osama Bin L holding up a boarding pass with seat 7C, with a frequent flyer number printed on the pass---for a trip to Washington?
The news story suggests it might have been a disgruntled employee resulting from the BA dispute. If so, one suspects their future address might be The Scrubs. People tend not to find terrorism jokes funny for some odd reason.
If the story in the news can be believed, it has already attracted the anti-terrorism authorities' interest, simply due to the subject matter.
And BA is investigating to see who may have done the hacking deed to create the photo and fake boarding pass photo.
Doubt the authorities will find it amusing.....BA either.
Please tell us this didn't occur. That nobody was THIS dumb. Another wrong news story please?
The news story suggests it might have been a disgruntled employee resulting from the BA dispute. If so, one suspects their future address might be The Scrubs. People tend not to find terrorism jokes funny for some odd reason.
If the story in the news can be believed, it has already attracted the anti-terrorism authorities' interest, simply due to the subject matter.
And BA is investigating to see who may have done the hacking deed to create the photo and fake boarding pass photo.
Doubt the authorities will find it amusing.....BA either.
Please tell us this didn't occur. That nobody was THIS dumb. Another wrong news story please?
Typical media hype. If you look at the boarding card you might notice.
It isn't a boarding card to Washington, as mentioned in the article. In fact it doesn't mention an origin or destination.
It isn't a BA frequent flyer number - It starts with NW (perhaps a now-defunct airline?) and has 10 digits. BA's don't have letters and are eight digits.
It isn't a BA ticket number (which start with 125).
It isn't a bar code. It a series of identical parallel lines.
It isn't a security risk. No way this would get by a human, no way this could be scanned.
It doesn't look like how an iPhone is going to display a boarding card. It looks like somebody cut a piece of paper and pasted in on the screen.
It is an effort to sell more newspapers ...
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Ah yes: Jane of the Mirror with the dog Fritz.
Madly in love with her and still somewhere in the Schloss,I have the collection, 'Jane at War' printed on real shaggy paper so that it could be used for the toilet after reading.
Here is a link which you will appreciate.
Racy Cartoons of the WW II Years: "Jane"
Toto was the name of the dog of Dorothy in the Frank Baum Oz books. There were several more then just The Wizard of Oz-including one about the deadly desert and the goblin king which always got me to think of the 8th army and Montgomery -not that he looked much like a goblin, more like a lanky old troll.
Speaking of the old trolls, I just wanted to put my piece in here about Eddy - not an old troll I swiftly say- I would like to say that it is horrific if he is bullied out of this forum. Since the days of Tom Brown, the British hasve always said that they were against such things. It is a big shame that BASSA now makes use of the word so easily while at the same time - apparently-makes such hypocritical use of the action itself. Those are the old trolls-the bullys. You can have bisexual trolls also-or do I mean trolls of both sexes?
Madly in love with her and still somewhere in the Schloss,I have the collection, 'Jane at War' printed on real shaggy paper so that it could be used for the toilet after reading.
Here is a link which you will appreciate.
Racy Cartoons of the WW II Years: "Jane"
Toto was the name of the dog of Dorothy in the Frank Baum Oz books. There were several more then just The Wizard of Oz-including one about the deadly desert and the goblin king which always got me to think of the 8th army and Montgomery -not that he looked much like a goblin, more like a lanky old troll.
Speaking of the old trolls, I just wanted to put my piece in here about Eddy - not an old troll I swiftly say- I would like to say that it is horrific if he is bullied out of this forum. Since the days of Tom Brown, the British hasve always said that they were against such things. It is a big shame that BASSA now makes use of the word so easily while at the same time - apparently-makes such hypocritical use of the action itself. Those are the old trolls-the bullys. You can have bisexual trolls also-or do I mean trolls of both sexes?
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Confused.
http://www.pprune.org/cabin-crew/409...ml#post5728559 is a link to todays BASSA missive and it confuses me. It refers to an Italian striker who lives on the West Coast and paid full fare "to come to work" and then of a Stornaway based striker and her travel to work.
If you're on strike surely you don't come to work. What am I missing?
If you're on strike surely you don't come to work. What am I missing?
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I wish there could be a burden of proof on BASSA to back up their claims of heroic deeds by strikers.
The Stornoway lass..11 hours traveling to work..and i presume the same going back!
Now Living in Stornoway was her life choice. but try explaining that to any normal person.."oh i work in london and travel from Stornoway..its sooo unfair"
Italian living on west coast USA working in London?..why live in USA if you are italian..whats wrong with living in England?
Sorry but this may upset some working crew as well, live in the real world ther is commuting..and then there's taking the michael..or should i say Duncan.
The Stornoway lass..11 hours traveling to work..and i presume the same going back!
Now Living in Stornoway was her life choice. but try explaining that to any normal person.."oh i work in london and travel from Stornoway..its sooo unfair"
Italian living on west coast USA working in London?..why live in USA if you are italian..whats wrong with living in England?
Sorry but this may upset some working crew as well, live in the real world ther is commuting..and then there's taking the michael..or should i say Duncan.
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Sorry just a pax, so figures just plucked as a thought! maybe it is serve 45 now and ba want fifty?
Though I take it you get my gist
It is when BA like private sector want sixty instead of 45, that is when action must be taken
My last flight from Dubai the CC were HARDLY overworked (unless things go on behind the scenes that pax do not see, I mean all the meal trays are already placed in the cabinets after collection I do not think they spend the next hour between serving washing them up) What do they do? serve collect then go missing for an hour?
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Though I take it you get my gist
It is when BA like private sector want sixty instead of 45, that is when action must be taken
My last flight from Dubai the CC were HARDLY overworked (unless things go on behind the scenes that pax do not see, I mean all the meal trays are already placed in the cabinets after collection I do not think they spend the next hour between serving washing them up) What do they do? serve collect then go missing for an hour?
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You need to check what you suggest
Tesco pay employies, a wage, and as such they pay NI contributions
ALDI and LIDL staff are self employed with NO holiday pay,no sickness benefit and pay their own NI and tax
So when you see the adverts for staff Tesco £6.05 ph it is very good compared to Aldi/Lidl £8.20ph
Oh and if you do the Maths thats £11640 salary per year and NO PERKS, Plus a lot of non stop hard work,
As an aside as of today all the strikers now have no entitlement to NTC paying towards their childcare costs, and will now have to pay it all back to HMRC
Jack McH
Tesco pay employies, a wage, and as such they pay NI contributions
ALDI and LIDL staff are self employed with NO holiday pay,no sickness benefit and pay their own NI and tax
So when you see the adverts for staff Tesco £6.05 ph it is very good compared to Aldi/Lidl £8.20ph
Oh and if you do the Maths thats £11640 salary per year and NO PERKS, Plus a lot of non stop hard work,
As an aside as of today all the strikers now have no entitlement to NTC paying towards their childcare costs, and will now have to pay it all back to HMRC
Jack McH