Uk Airport Chaos (hand wringing thread)
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Joe le Taxi,
We live in a country of free speech, we can voice our views some we may like and some we may not, but we should not stop free speech and on today of all days, you should read the Daily Mail and what they write is far, far worse that has been said here.
We live in a country of free speech, we can voice our views some we may like and some we may not, but we should not stop free speech and on today of all days, you should read the Daily Mail and what they write is far, far worse that has been said here.
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Originally Posted by tilewood
..................it shows the level of disruption that a perceived threat can cause to our 'advanced' society! 
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Wouln't need to expand any airports then most airports could cope with the 2 or 3 flights a day. In fact you could probably shut Gatwick & Standstead totally
most airports could cope with the 2 or 3 flights a day. In fact you could probably shut Gatwick & Standstead totally
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Most air travel is unnecessary, holidays can be taken in the country of origin and many business meetings could be held by video conferencing. We should consider a permit to fly similar to the permit to travel required during the second world war. If passenger numbers were substantially reduced then a much higher level of security inspections would be practicable. Terrorists would have the double deterrent of obtaining a permit and passing tightened security."
most airports could cope with the 2 or 3 flights a day. In fact you could probably shut Gatwick & Standstead totally
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This incident is only an episode, which will soon be reduced to a footnote in the history of this very long and comprehensive war.
One day, this tiny, infitessimal, insignificant, miniscule minority of extremist murderers will succeed on a scale that compels a serious and realistic response.
When we on the side of civilization no longer have to fight each other as much as the enemy of civilization, and recognize collectively that the status quo is no longer survivable, then truly appropriate action will be taken, and the war will be won and all this terror and killing will be an ugly memory.
I think this could happen in weeks, years, or decades, but it will happen, of that I am quite certain. I hope it does before Iran achieves nuclear missile capability, or Pakistan's arsenal falls into their hands. So far, we haven't done our next generation any favors by failing to respond forcefully to the threat.
The world has seen this movie before, but somewhere along the way has lost the plot.
One day, this tiny, infitessimal, insignificant, miniscule minority of extremist murderers will succeed on a scale that compels a serious and realistic response.
When we on the side of civilization no longer have to fight each other as much as the enemy of civilization, and recognize collectively that the status quo is no longer survivable, then truly appropriate action will be taken, and the war will be won and all this terror and killing will be an ugly memory.
I think this could happen in weeks, years, or decades, but it will happen, of that I am quite certain. I hope it does before Iran achieves nuclear missile capability, or Pakistan's arsenal falls into their hands. So far, we haven't done our next generation any favors by failing to respond forcefully to the threat.
The world has seen this movie before, but somewhere along the way has lost the plot.
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Hmmm, just thinking, peeps are having to dump bottles of plonk cans of pop books toys I pods ect in the airport, what happens to all that stuff they have to leave behind?
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This incident is only an episode, which will soon be reduced to a footnote in the history of this very long and comprehensive war.
One day, this tiny, infitessimal, insignificant, miniscule minority of extremist murderers will succeed on a scale that compels a serious and realistic response.
When we on the side of civilization no longer have to fight each other as much as the enemy of civilization, and recognize collectively that the status quo is no longer survivable, then truly appropriate action will be taken, and the war will be won and all this terror and killing will be an ugly memory.
I think this could happen in weeks, years, or decades, but it will happen, of that I am quite certain. I hope it does before Iran achieves nuclear missile capability, or Pakistan's arsenal falls into their hands. So far, we haven't done our next generation any favors by failing to respond forcefully to the threat.
The world has seen this movie before, but somewhere along the way has lost the plot.
One day, this tiny, infitessimal, insignificant, miniscule minority of extremist murderers will succeed on a scale that compels a serious and realistic response.
When we on the side of civilization no longer have to fight each other as much as the enemy of civilization, and recognize collectively that the status quo is no longer survivable, then truly appropriate action will be taken, and the war will be won and all this terror and killing will be an ugly memory.
I think this could happen in weeks, years, or decades, but it will happen, of that I am quite certain. I hope it does before Iran achieves nuclear missile capability, or Pakistan's arsenal falls into their hands. So far, we haven't done our next generation any favors by failing to respond forcefully to the threat.
The world has seen this movie before, but somewhere along the way has lost the plot.
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Hmmm, just thinking, peeps are having to dump bottles of plonk cans of pop books toys I pods ect in the airport, what happens to all that stuff they have to leave behind?
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Hmmm, just thinking, peeps are having to dump bottles of plonk cans of pop books toys I pods ect in the airport, what happens to all that stuff they have to leave behind?
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Originally Posted by BenThere
This incident is only an episode, which will soon be reduced to a footnote in the history of this very long and comprehensive war.
When we on the side of civilization no longer have to fight each other as much as the enemy of civilization, and recognize collectively that the status quo is no longer survivable, then truly appropriate action will be taken, and the war will be won
.......this could happen in weeks, years, or decades, but it will happen, of that I am quite certain.
The world has seen this movie before, but somewhere along the way has lost the plot.
When we on the side of civilization no longer have to fight each other as much as the enemy of civilization, and recognize collectively that the status quo is no longer survivable, then truly appropriate action will be taken, and the war will be won
.......this could happen in weeks, years, or decades, but it will happen, of that I am quite certain.
The world has seen this movie before, but somewhere along the way has lost the plot.
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Think first
Originally Posted by El Grifo
Stop being so soppy.
We all know about the rights and wrongs relating to Bush's "Great War on Terrorism" Many of us are disgusted about what is taking place in Lebanon.
In times of serious crisis it is wise the think globally but act locally and that is how I feel right now
We all know about the rights and wrongs relating to Bush's "Great War on Terrorism" Many of us are disgusted about what is taking place in Lebanon.
In times of serious crisis it is wise the think globally but act locally and that is how I feel right now
El Grifo, there's a key word in your post which is not being done. "Think".
The response today is out of proportion to the threat.
The terrorists win.
A more balanced approach is required rather than knee jerk reactions.
Either this is sustained in perpetuity, in which case there will be mass redundancies in the aviation business, or we find a way of improving security without so much disruption.
Today of all days, with a number of people arrested, there is not going to be a bomb attack from these shores. That gives the authorities at least 24 hours to decide what to do. Armed police, huge queues, breathless news reporting, it removes perspective on risks and solutions.
A bit more thought, some more considered action, and we might start making progress. Globally as well as locally.
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Isn't it amazig how the "Zionist war of aggression" in Lebanon has disappeared from our TV screens?
Stand by for some Islamic spokesman or website to announce that this current business in London is all a Zionist plot to move public attention from Lebanon.
Stand by for some Islamic spokesman or website to announce that this current business in London is all a Zionist plot to move public attention from Lebanon.
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Ramsi Jussuf had planned a very similar plot in 1995. With liquid explosives he wanted to blow up 11 flights between the US and Asia. He used a nitroglycerin base in a contact lenses solution bottle and digital watch as timer for a "test run" on a Philippine Airlines flight on 11.12.94. Ramsi Jussuf was arrested 1995 but his plan and the "instruction" on how to orchestre such event was widely distributed and publicized. Today's event reflect almost every detail of this plan.
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"Most air travel is unnecessary, holidays can be taken in the country of origin and many business meetings could be held by video conferencing. We should consider a permit to fly similar to the permit to travel required during the second world war. If passenger numbers were substantially reduced then a much higher level of security inspections would be practicable. Terrorists would have the double deterrent of obtaining a permit and passing tightened security."
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ExSimGuy, ID cards get forged. That's not a substitute for a security check which is fit for purpose.
Security check does not, however, mean lock-down.
Today we have a pointless lockdown.
Security check does not, however, mean lock-down.
Today we have a pointless lockdown.
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This incident is only an episode, which will soon be reduced to a footnote in the history of this very long and comprehensive war.
One day, this so-called tiny, infinitessimal, insignificant, miniscule minority of extremist murderers will succeed on a scale that compels a serious and realistic response.
When we on the side of civilization no longer have to fight each other as much as the enemy of civilization, and recognize collectively that the status quo is no longer survivable, then truly appropriate action will be taken, and the war will be won and all this terror and killing will be an ugly memory.
I think this could happen in weeks, years, or decades, but it will happen, of that I am quite certain. I hope it does before Iran achieves nuclear missile capability, or Pakistan's arsenal falls into their hands. So far, we haven't done our next generation any favors by failing to respond forcefully to the threat.
Ultimately, I think the war will be won. Jihad, almost by definition, has no technoligical or industrial base, its economic lifeblood almost wholly in the form of petrodollars. People living under its tyrannical credo are soon miserable and seek change. Semi-literate mullahs preaching hatred with smug certainty to an audience of young, hopeless post adolescent males have not had to provide answers for the misery they engender. In the long run, the movement is self-destructive. The enemy they seek to destroy operates under a philosophy of self-restraint, easily able at any time to end the conflict using existing weapons at its disposal.
The world has seen this movie before, but somewhere along the way has lost the plot.
Edited to add: Sorry, I triple posted this during the server jam-up. I deleted the other iterations.
One day, this so-called tiny, infinitessimal, insignificant, miniscule minority of extremist murderers will succeed on a scale that compels a serious and realistic response.
When we on the side of civilization no longer have to fight each other as much as the enemy of civilization, and recognize collectively that the status quo is no longer survivable, then truly appropriate action will be taken, and the war will be won and all this terror and killing will be an ugly memory.
I think this could happen in weeks, years, or decades, but it will happen, of that I am quite certain. I hope it does before Iran achieves nuclear missile capability, or Pakistan's arsenal falls into their hands. So far, we haven't done our next generation any favors by failing to respond forcefully to the threat.
Ultimately, I think the war will be won. Jihad, almost by definition, has no technoligical or industrial base, its economic lifeblood almost wholly in the form of petrodollars. People living under its tyrannical credo are soon miserable and seek change. Semi-literate mullahs preaching hatred with smug certainty to an audience of young, hopeless post adolescent males have not had to provide answers for the misery they engender. In the long run, the movement is self-destructive. The enemy they seek to destroy operates under a philosophy of self-restraint, easily able at any time to end the conflict using existing weapons at its disposal.
The world has seen this movie before, but somewhere along the way has lost the plot.
Edited to add: Sorry, I triple posted this during the server jam-up. I deleted the other iterations.
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Lexxity, yes and no. I would miss the freedom to do what I want, however we are fighting a war, although not everybody sees it that way. BenThere has probably hit the nail on the head. things will only get worse before they get better.
sugden pointless lockdown? I don't think so. Which do you prefer, inconvenience or possible death of thousands? The security infrastructure does not exist anywhere to process the numbers passing through, e.g. Heathrow, at this time of the year
sugden pointless lockdown? I don't think so. Which do you prefer, inconvenience or possible death of thousands? The security infrastructure does not exist anywhere to process the numbers passing through, e.g. Heathrow, at this time of the year
Jacko etc, just in case you missed it earlier:-
Originally Posted by Danny
I have just flown into LHR before the total shut down. Eeerie. Luckily got my bags but have no idea how I'm going to get up to MAN. Hitch hiking sounds like a plausible possibility.
Chaos reigns. However, please limit this thread to issues directly affecting aircrew. This is not the place to discuss what pax have to put up with. I have moved all the posts that are off topic as far as I'm converned to the Jet Blast forum where you can digress as much as you like.
This forum is for aircrew and issues that affect them. If you feel the urge to do spotterish things or discuss pax woes, use the appropriate forum as otherwise, it is a shame to have your work removed.
Chaos reigns. However, please limit this thread to issues directly affecting aircrew. This is not the place to discuss what pax have to put up with. I have moved all the posts that are off topic as far as I'm converned to the Jet Blast forum where you can digress as much as you like.
This forum is for aircrew and issues that affect them. If you feel the urge to do spotterish things or discuss pax woes, use the appropriate forum as otherwise, it is a shame to have your work removed.