Uk Airport Chaos (hand wringing thread)
"Each time the terrorists try a tactic, the specific tactic is blocked by security procedures post hoc. So the terrorists try a new tactic. We then block that.
We had hijackers with pistols, we introduced metal detectors. Then there were hold luggage bombs, so we started screening hold luggage one way and another. Then the hijackers used little knives, so we confiscated nail-clippers. Next we had the shoe-bomber, so now we all have to have our shoes inspected.
And the latest is liquid explosive in bottles, so we ban bottles of water.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm dreading the eventuality of the underwear bomber.'
It's the foreskin bomber who worries me......
We had hijackers with pistols, we introduced metal detectors. Then there were hold luggage bombs, so we started screening hold luggage one way and another. Then the hijackers used little knives, so we confiscated nail-clippers. Next we had the shoe-bomber, so now we all have to have our shoes inspected.
And the latest is liquid explosive in bottles, so we ban bottles of water.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm dreading the eventuality of the underwear bomber.'
It's the foreskin bomber who worries me......
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Originally Posted by Jackonicko
"Each time the terrorists try a tactic, the specific tactic is blocked by security procedures post hoc. So the terrorists try a new tactic. We then block that.
We had hijackers with pistols, we introduced metal detectors. Then there were hold luggage bombs, so we started screening hold luggage one way and another. Then the hijackers used little knives, so we confiscated nail-clippers. Next we had the shoe-bomber, so now we all have to have our shoes inspected.
And the latest is liquid explosive in bottles, so we ban bottles of water.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm dreading the eventuality of the underwear bomber.'
It's the foreskin bomber who worries me......
We had hijackers with pistols, we introduced metal detectors. Then there were hold luggage bombs, so we started screening hold luggage one way and another. Then the hijackers used little knives, so we confiscated nail-clippers. Next we had the shoe-bomber, so now we all have to have our shoes inspected.
And the latest is liquid explosive in bottles, so we ban bottles of water.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm dreading the eventuality of the underwear bomber.'
It's the foreskin bomber who worries me......
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The thing about targeting muslims in the security line, I'm sure, already happens. As for "stop and search" I'm not so sure (assuming you're referring to the police) as this is monitored.
One thing that I do find disturbing is that when the media wheel out a so called "muslim community leader" the first words out of their mouths are not "we condemn such cowardly and wicked acts unconditionally" but more like "we must be sensitive to the feelings of young muslims in the community and the security forces must not inflame the situation anymore than they have already done"
The reaction of most muslims is "who the f*ck is that guy ?" The people wheeled out by the media are not representative of the community and neither are they muslim "leaders" none of them are elected and a lot of muslims bristle with anger when they hear their comments.
There are other figures in the muslim community who are representative but the problem is that the media never interview them because they much prefer to have someone say something controversial...
The thing about targeting muslims in the security line, I'm sure, already happens. As for "stop and search" I'm not so sure (assuming you're referring to the police) as this is monitored.
One thing that I do find disturbing is that when the media wheel out a so called "muslim community leader" the first words out of their mouths are not "we condemn such cowardly and wicked acts unconditionally" but more like "we must be sensitive to the feelings of young muslims in the community and the security forces must not inflame the situation anymore than they have already done"
The reaction of most muslims is "who the f*ck is that guy ?" The people wheeled out by the media are not representative of the community and neither are they muslim "leaders" none of them are elected and a lot of muslims bristle with anger when they hear their comments.
There are other figures in the muslim community who are representative but the problem is that the media never interview them because they much prefer to have someone say something controversial...
I was born in Scotland, I live in Spain, and I holiday in Jamaica. I travel all over the world with my work. I never feel alien anywhere that I travel. I almost feel like a chameleon, I just adapt to suit the circumstances. I love the flavour and colours of other cultures.
I will never, and have made it eminently clear to my clients, that I will never travel to a Muslim country. As far as I am concerned, they can get on with their lives without any input from me. I will not help to promote tourism in their countries.
I am racist when it comes to that particular religious group. I could rant on for ever, but the least said the better.
Suffice to say that in my opinion, the greatest danger to civilisation today comes from beneath the Black Cloud of Islam.
I will never, and have made it eminently clear to my clients, that I will never travel to a Muslim country. As far as I am concerned, they can get on with their lives without any input from me. I will not help to promote tourism in their countries.
I am racist when it comes to that particular religious group. I could rant on for ever, but the least said the better.
Suffice to say that in my opinion, the greatest danger to civilisation today comes from beneath the Black Cloud of Islam.
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Suffice to say that in my opinion, the greatest danger to civilisation today comes from beneath the Black Cloud of Islam.
Your opinion is, in my opinion, myopic.
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Bush says plot a 'stark reminder' that the US is still at war with Islamic extremists. "The American people need to know we live in a dangerous world, but our government will do everything we can to protect our people from those dangers."
Blair says "There has been an enormous amount of co-operation with the US authorities which has been of great value and underlines the threat we face and our determination to counter it."
'Tis an ill wind that blows nobody any good.
Blair says "There has been an enormous amount of co-operation with the US authorities which has been of great value and underlines the threat we face and our determination to counter it."
'Tis an ill wind that blows nobody any good.
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I have a beard, and because I work outside a lot in a sunny climate, my skin is usually quite dark.
That isn't profiling; just racism.
I have a beard, and because I work outside a lot in a sunny climate, my skin is usually quite dark.
That isn't profiling; just racism.
Are you a security officer who has to make these decisions??????
Please enlighten me with your definition of racism, and good, effective security for the masses?????
Yet, I do ask everyone... Why hightened meaures today and byond, IF...... security is at it's best yet???? Has security since 9/11, and now, been that lax??? What makes security so much more vital today that it didn't every other day since 9/11?? Surely security is a constant measure for deterent rather than intelligance based, when we think it's needed????
Hmmmm????????
Whatthef***!?!
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Your post, to me anyway, makes sense.
I'm wondering whether this discussion, as of the above last few posts, is perhaps better within a new thread.
That way the media-induced can prattle on here.
Your post, to me anyway, makes sense.
I'm wondering whether this discussion, as of the above last few posts, is perhaps better within a new thread.
That way the media-induced can prattle on here.
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Y'know the one single thing that strikes me is that this entire problem has been engineered by the creation of the Israeli state post WW2.
I have read comments about fighters and suicide bombers, Islamic, and the one single thing / aspect which strikes me was the wholehearted reluctance of the Jewish to fight back: in WW2 they could have fought. They didn't.
Nevertheless they are regarded as a special case.
Hypothetical question....how would we, the West, have dealt with Jewish suicide bombers in 1941?
I have read comments about fighters and suicide bombers, Islamic, and the one single thing / aspect which strikes me was the wholehearted reluctance of the Jewish to fight back: in WW2 they could have fought. They didn't.
Nevertheless they are regarded as a special case.
Hypothetical question....how would we, the West, have dealt with Jewish suicide bombers in 1941?
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I'm wondering whether this discussion, as of the above last few posts, is perhaps better within a new thread.
That way the media-induced can prattle on here.
That way the media-induced can prattle on here.
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What is possessing you crazy lot into thinking that the Muslim community can help "by not hiding the terrorists". It's bloody well easier said than done!!! Firstly, you assume it is happening for sure and this without an iota of evidence. Secondly you think failure to grass is a deeply Islamic problem and thirdly you assume the clever, sophisticated, meticulous terrorists are stupid enough to broadcast their intentions in the face of modern day surveillance. You contradict yourselves in half a sentence!
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Originally Posted by vapilot2004
So Al Q or whatever will now start sticking the stuff up their ar$e ! 
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Is it not possible (based on statistics) to accept to odds and ignore them, allowing the casualties as collateral damage? What are the relative probabilities of being a victim of these acts of terrorism compared to the likelihood of being slain by a motor vehicle as we go about our business (apparently unconcerned)?
Think of the stress (and confusion) that we could avoid.
Think of the stress (and confusion) that we could avoid.
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i want to know can i take a cow airside so i can get some milk to have my breakfast and have a brew
on a more serious note dose anyone know how hard it is to make a liquid bomb i do and it is very very hard you would have to be a chemist to put one together ... and as for taking water and milk of aircrew and staff when they said they would take a sip to show them .... what a joke might as well
on a more serious note dose anyone know how hard it is to make a liquid bomb i do and it is very very hard you would have to be a chemist to put one together ... and as for taking water and milk of aircrew and staff when they said they would take a sip to show them .... what a joke might as well
Hey Slim, possibly worth pointing out, that in my opinion, the second biggest danger to civilisation today are the Israeli Hawks and taking up a close third are the American neocons.
I have a fairly clear view on who the dodgy guys are and there ain't to much seperating second and third places.
The number one spot does go by a neck, to Allah's Army.
I have a fairly clear view on who the dodgy guys are and there ain't to much seperating second and third places.
The number one spot does go by a neck, to Allah's Army.