Uk Airport Chaos (hand wringing thread)
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They invented Trashy Novels before they invented airoplanes (it was a requirement in the aircraft development process 
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Originally Posted by tilewood
I don't know, you are the one obviously bothered enough to write about it! 
The "perceived threat" came from you at 07:24 today.
The neat distinction is your own, and I thought you might have known what you had in mind by it. Evidently not.
I read throught the first 4 or 5 pages but couldnit see anything on this.
I am old enough to remember, following, I believe, the downing of an AI 747 off Ireland, that the powers that be banned all electricals from aircraft holds, because of the risk of an explosive device, triggered by electronics, being placed on board, and detonated electronically.
Surely now, "Bin-Bombing" and his disciples will simply try the old trick of killing inocents without the requirement of losing a foot-soldier?
Has HMG, MI5 and the rest shot themselves in the foot on this one?
I am old enough to remember, following, I believe, the downing of an AI 747 off Ireland, that the powers that be banned all electricals from aircraft holds, because of the risk of an explosive device, triggered by electronics, being placed on board, and detonated electronically.
Surely now, "Bin-Bombing" and his disciples will simply try the old trick of killing inocents without the requirement of losing a foot-soldier?
Has HMG, MI5 and the rest shot themselves in the foot on this one?
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Originally Posted by LGS6753
Mobile phones were used to detonate the Madrid train bombs (ten of them), and anything could be hidden in a soft toy (although likely to show on scanning monitors).
agree on the toy
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Originally Posted by PaperTiger
That would be sensible, except that that 'secure' water is also banned.
At KSEA this morning the airside stores had pulled all beverages off the shelves. Nobody (yet) seems to have thought about the vending machines though
At KSEA this morning the airside stores had pulled all beverages off the shelves. Nobody (yet) seems to have thought about the vending machines though
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QUestion
The only question i have is why is our Prime Minister still on Holiday when the coutry is still on critical level of alert (highest possible)...
Heard Tony on PM on radio 4 congratulating the police while He was in the carribean.
Heard Tony on PM on radio 4 congratulating the police while He was in the carribean.
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Just returned from Cologne into Liverpool. No fuss, apart from much more thorough security searches and the 'no hand luggage' sermon at check in meaning we had to buy another bag to fit the wife's assorted clobber in.
Passports and boarding cards in hand only, we get to the gate....half the pax getting aboard have handbags/rucksacks/carrier bags/duty free....
Passports and boarding cards in hand only, we get to the gate....half the pax getting aboard have handbags/rucksacks/carrier bags/duty free....
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Hand Luggage charges?
IB4138 - you raise a valid point. I was under the impression that 7kg was about the weight limit for carry on luggage together with strict dimension requirements.
But in the States last week I saw a 20 kg allowance for hand luggage.
What gives????
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Why take beverages off the shelves?
Is this plan so well thought out that the "cell" has a mole at WH Smiths that has put a quantity of PE4 Explosive in a coke can on the 3rd shelf 4th from the rear of the left hand fridge (next to the Quantro) in Terminal 1 at Standstead, you know the little one near the toilets and gate 17 or so.
And somehow BAA make a profit employing these morons to make this decision. Somebody please get me a job there, I could probably come up with that one on a three day week.
Is this plan so well thought out that the "cell" has a mole at WH Smiths that has put a quantity of PE4 Explosive in a coke can on the 3rd shelf 4th from the rear of the left hand fridge (next to the Quantro) in Terminal 1 at Standstead, you know the little one near the toilets and gate 17 or so.
And somehow BAA make a profit employing these morons to make this decision. Somebody please get me a job there, I could probably come up with that one on a three day week.
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Originally Posted by Human Factor
Last time my mother went on holiday, she was singled out for enhanced security screening. 62 years old, white, wife of retired police officer, mother of BA pilot. Obviously easy to mistake her for an Al Qaeda terrorist then..... 
Now what does that tell you about the whole security process and it's aim?
I'll tell ya what - it's a bit of a charade, that's what.
VFE.
NB: I'm British, white, and at the time was in my mid-twenties so working on the same premise as Human Factor hardly look like a member of Al-Q..... whatever they look like?! My guess is they don't have a tattoo celebrating membership.
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Originally Posted by Human Factor
Last time my mother went on holiday, she was singled out for enhanced security screening. 62 years old, white, wife of retired police officer, mother of BA pilot. Obviously easy to mistake her for an Al Qaeda terrorist then.....
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Of course profiling should be used as a main feature of any rounded ,thought out security policy,but the goverment having incubated such ill feeling among several groups in this country are plain scared to do so.Having a fair and just foreign policy(as promised some years ago) instead of slavish adherence to US policy would do more to secure air transport than banning pilots phones or old ladies spec cases. It will now be even harder to carry out our operations on a day to day level,and more time consuming and awkward for the passengers,yet the fundamentals are left unchecked.It is time nettles were grasped and the goverment had the courage to address world politics,immigration,cost cutting and all the other real reasons for these maladies.
As an aside I was told of a group of baggage handlers at a major uk airport two weeks ago who were in conversation with a collegue.they were waiting for their escort to go airside to work and had been in the country for TWO WEEKS. How does this square with with all the hoops we have to jump through all the time with CRC and employment/residence history etc.One collegue has had her application rejected 5 times for a 2 week gap in work history! I cant help but feel that the basics are being overlooked in all the detail.
As an aside I was told of a group of baggage handlers at a major uk airport two weeks ago who were in conversation with a collegue.they were waiting for their escort to go airside to work and had been in the country for TWO WEEKS. How does this square with with all the hoops we have to jump through all the time with CRC and employment/residence history etc.One collegue has had her application rejected 5 times for a 2 week gap in work history! I cant help but feel that the basics are being overlooked in all the detail.
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aye airship. kindo reminded me of the 45min claim and the ricin plot. makes me wonder what they are trying to hide this time. probably just a distraction from them draggin their feet. or maybe the civil war in iraq. god when i think of it, there are so many things...
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Total over reaction from "must be seen to be politically correct " HM Government.
As LTNman has said on Airlines and Airports Luton Thread......
and Minnie the Moocher
It may also encourage Muslims to identify at an early stage, these miscreants in their communities to the authorities and close down gatherings in their mosques that are terrorist inclined.
If not; and I do not in any way condone what Israel has done to the Lebanon and it's people; mosques in the UK, that these people have been members of, should be closed down and even demolished.
Then, other Muslims, deprived of their places of worship, may identify these terrorists in their midst, instead of sheltering them and turning a blind eye to their activities.
It is time some Muslims grew up, supported the Country of their birth and embraised the 21st century.
As LTNman has said on Airlines and Airports Luton Thread......
Don’t know why when everyone that has been picked up by the police is English but of Pakistan origin. This clampdown on all passengers is so that a few Muslims don’t get the ar*ehole that they are being discriminated against.
Being a Muslim is not a dirty word and we all know that most of them are good people but if some of them are intent on mass murder then they should not complain if there is selective targeting with limited resources.
Being a Muslim is not a dirty word and we all know that most of them are good people but if some of them are intent on mass murder then they should not complain if there is selective targeting with limited resources.
No prizes for guessing what sort of passengers should be checked more carefully at Luton but no doubt mum and dad with their two children travelling on holiday to Spain will be given thorough check for political correctness".
If not; and I do not in any way condone what Israel has done to the Lebanon and it's people; mosques in the UK, that these people have been members of, should be closed down and even demolished.
Then, other Muslims, deprived of their places of worship, may identify these terrorists in their midst, instead of sheltering them and turning a blind eye to their activities.
It is time some Muslims grew up, supported the Country of their birth and embraised the 21st century.
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I've taken everything onboard IB, and agree - just strikes me that many people will think you and I and others are of the racist species.
Islamophobia
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Islamophobia
Islamic Human Rights Commission chairman Massoud Shadjareh said: "It has been clear for a very long time that there is an institutional Islamophobia in the implementation of stop-and-search.
"It has almost become a licence for people to implement Islamophobic and racist tendencies."
"It has almost become a licence for people to implement Islamophobic and racist tendencies."
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Originally Posted by Mark Lewis
Yes. As mentioned numerous times above, the crew/staff security is just as stringent as that for pax at the moment.