Ah but that's the problem, I can't find it. But you obviously have. So where can I find an example of Swinburne/OAA ab-initio cadets complaining about the course? Because I haven't seen or heard one.

I've met and spoken with more than a dozen Jetstar cadets and former cadets now flying the A320.

They all say pretty much the same thing.

1) OAA/CAE is disorganised and you need to be on the ball to push thru
2) The Jetstar cadetship is pretty much what is advertised
3) Probably 90% of cadets who start the course end up flying for Jetstar
4) They are happy with the deal and the way things turned out for them

It's tough to get a spot. I heard something like 1% who apply get an offer. The psychometric testing and interviews must be effective at choosing the best candidates, judging by the high completion rate.

The Jetstar cadets I met were a little bit more mature, rather than being 18yo school-leavers, and came from a wide variety of backgrounds. One really switched on Jetstar cadet was formerly a builder in his late 20s.

Wow! That's amazing.

That sounds about right. The acceptance rate is probably slightly higher than 1%, possibly more around 2-3%. Generally there is around 200-400 that apply, and out of that around 9-15 will be accepted. It does appear that the number of places offered in the recent courses has decreased since 2010.

FLGOFF, by your own numbers the minimum acceptance would be around 2.25%. How can you not fact check your own post? Worse than the ABC....

Are we still expecting a 1500 hour rule to come in to practice?

My impression was that the senate inquiry led to a big lead of nothing in terms of increasing the number of hours required by airline cockpit crew...

The standard cadet scare campaign runs like this;

• There is no guarantee of employment - 90% plus are employed
• You will not get an ATPL - no command hours - they are approved for all sorts of ICUS regimes , all the Qantas cadets from 70s now 380/747 captains
• The big bad company is making money from you - not true just weren't happy with the calibre of Direct Entry Pilots - the program costs them money with increased training , approvals , supervision for a couple of years
• The big bad flying school is making money from you- not true Oxford Melb not making much , compare the $84K for CPL/IR in Melb to the costs they charge the Brits - $89 K GBPounds.
• There will be a 1500 hour limit bought in. USA only country in developed world to bring this in, already large exemptions given to certain groups, pretty much a "thought bubble" reaction to one accident. Cadet safety proven by likes of BA/Luftansa/KLM/SIA/Cathay over the last 50 years and of course our own world champions of Aviation Safety - qantas. How many aircraft "saves" have we had by our very own heroic Qantas Pilots who started as cadets. American 1500 hour rule Not even on the agenda

One more cadet is one less place for a direct entry, already 90 cadets checked flying A320 in Jetstar Oz , over 100 in training pipeline.



200 less places for the GA Astronauts , who did us so proud on the Flight Decks of Tiger, and perhaps "one or two" little incidents at Virgin.


So if catching grabs , and living in fly infested sh*tholes full of misfits and derros, in what is largely the wasteland of outback Australia, and being in poverty for ten years isn't what you had in mind for your future.


From leaving year 12 to flying an A320 full of paying passengers, you can be doing this 20 months from school.



Go direct to the Jet - Go Cadet


And please have some manners about , be humble , send your unemployed friends who went the GA path a food parcel every six months. And don't tell them about your six week holiday to Europe this year, where you will be flying business class, and visiting the October Fest.


Go direct to the Jet - Go Cadet

I fixed that one for you buddy. No need to acknowledge.

I must have had my eyes closed for the last 10 years.

• I never caught crabs.
• I never lived in fly infested sh*tholes - sure they weren't always the most attractive places going, but I had a damn good time enjoying different experiences
• I probably see my fair share of misfits and derro's getting onto Jetstar aircraft as well, and I didn't need to go to the outback to see that
• Wasteland of Outback Australia? That just proves your pure ignorance there. I'll be sure to tell my in-laws that next time they're mustering their cattle to send the meat to the supermarket for you
• No six figure salaries in a lot of GA, but I think 'poverty' is a bit far. I guess if you wanted to live on caviar, you would be in poverty
• Ohh and that holiday to Europe - I also earnt it, I didn't just rely on it being 'given' to me by way of staff travel

So there we go, your post just proves you're nothing more than an ignorant, stuck up, uneducated (more in life than anything) cadet.


morno

There are ignorant, stuck-up, uneducated pilots from all employment backgrounds. Likewise (not directed at anyone in particular) there are arrogant, opinionated, and self-entitled pilots also.

Like everything, it's what you make of it. Have the right attitude, and you can go far - regardless of which particular career direction you choose to take!

Have the wrong one and, well, there are enough examples here :rolleyes:

"In the homeland of Aviation the USA, pilots for the Major Airlines in majority come from the Regional/GA sector and have an average of 4000 hours flight time when they join a major airline. Unlike Europe & Asia the American airlines have never had airline pilot cadetships , like BA/Luftansa etc. There have been 17 airline jet accidents in the USA which have had over 100 fatalities. This demonstrates the inherent dangers of Airline Pilot Cadetships, and how the should be regarded with caution, and a high degree of suspicion"

Discuss , 500 words - 40 Minutes (OK Morno I know you didn't get a fair shake with your "edutation" you can have until Friday lunchtime, it's Ok my friend we all know you didn't trouble the selection panel at Med school)

Ban me but Jesus, what a ********. Flyboat North, if you're representative of the attitudes of cadets in J* (which surely the majority don't have their heads stuck up as far up their arses as you) I'll quite happily stay in my GA job.

So yet another thread deteriorates into a cadet bashing exercise. Generally by people with little or no experience in the matter.

Let's get back on topic. If you are unable or incapable of offering information regarding the subject - please refrain from posting.

Further posts along the bashing front will be deleted.

Wow, flyboat north reminds me of why I'm ashamed to be a pilot...

GA, military, regionals and now GA again living in one of the supposed S***holes, but have a good lifestyle and a six figure salary...

Happy with my experiences and adventures and would guarantee more capable than Mr Go jet - be a cadet...

Mods - why do you defend twits like this, obviously trolling??

Well, if the program goes ahead in August, I was wondering if anyone has any idea on the time frame related to the selection process?

Such as application closing date, interviews/aptitude test schedules etc.

There is little/no information available but if anyone has any ideas from past experience that'd be appreciated.

Cheers.

I hear the recently graduated Jetstar cadets from CTC have been told there's no job at Jetstar anymore. OUCH spending all that money and no job.

Due to Qantas's present woes apparently. I'd say it doesn't bode well for any other Jetstar cadets.

Eagerly awaiting Flyboat's response....

The only people they have said "no" to are direct entry's from GA/Regional, sorry boys it's all over.

Just another variation of the scare campaign -- "no guaranteed job"

QF group have a very long history of looking after their cadet groups whether they be from mainline, jetstar, qlink. As long as they have the work ethic and good attitude , they get plenty of chances. A lot of QF cadets were offered and subsequently accepted places in Jetstar cadetship, QF mainline cadets upgraded at Qlink etc.

Nearly 100 cadets on the propery, and same number in the the pipeline. All intakes at Jetstar now will be from two sources only firstly Qantas transfers/redundant/lwop, and then cadets.

Lets have a look at the number of GA/Regional that got RPT jet jobs over past two years.

• QF - zero
• Virgin - zero
• Jetstar - less than 50

Oh but wait there is Tiger - whoo hoo !! whoo hoo !!

The future is so bright you have to wear shades !

Enjoy the Desert boys looks like you will out there for just a little bitsy longer - what wise investment twas to self sponsor and pay
that $100K for training, when you knew you had slim employment prospects at the end, and no company had indicated to you pre-training
that they might have an interest in employing you.

Clearly Regional/GA pilots in Australia know they have realistically zero chance of an RPT Jet Job , for at least a couple of years. So you try to drag
the cadet programs down because you are jealous of where they are going, but the they got the airline job sorted prior to commencing training. You guys didn't and have been caught out - hence the tall poppy syndrome.

Go Straight to the Jet - Go Cadet

Pretty sure Cobham have been recruiting over the last couple of years for the 717, and wait for it, all from the regionals and GA.

Mate, you are so focussed on the 'majors' you forget there is another world out there operating RPT jets. Just off the top of my head: Alliance, Network, Air North, Cobham, QLink, JetGo, not to mention the corporate bizjets, overseas job prospects (some, like Air Niugini even offer Aus base), top tier GA positions etc that are all open to the person who has had a well-rounded career.

This industry has ups and downs, and when it is down, the GA guy will have more freedom to move and options every time - hands down.

Maybe you're the one with the tall poppy syndrome feeling insecure about your prospects?!

I'll shut up now as it's not really my barrow to push anyway as I actually never wanted a major airline job. I'm not bitter and twisted. It was never on the career goal radar in the first place. You wouldn't understand I guess...

Didn't you read what I wrote and what Pilot Breezy wrote as well.

It's cadets that have graduated from the CTC Jetstar cadet programme that have been told, NO WORK FOR YOU AT JETSTAR!!!!!!!!!!

It's not GA/Regional guys that have been told NO.

It might pay to check your facts before you make yourself look stupid, or is that look even more stupid?

The big bad company betraying people, oh aren't they so horrible , the big bad Qantas company.

No basis in reality my friend , they have not been told that.

All who complete get a job , sometimes with a wait as Jetstar want them to do the 320 endorsement just before line training.

Remember the QF cadets of the 90s , no jobs available as recession commenced , all who graduated were first in when SO hiring did commence. If times turn bad , same will occur.

They are expanding not contracting , 24 commenced this month.

No GA for Jetstar

Go Direct to the Jet - Go Cadet

So why is the mother of a cadet contacting anyone she can think of that might be able help, saying no job for her Jetstar cadet son and asking help get No. 1 son a job

Bit of misinformation here.

Latest batch told June start date.

Things have slowed, no direct entry for the year. That could change if they have to match capacity to maintain the cherished 65% line in the sand.

Nothing stopping the cadets getting a charter job while they wait it out.

If they're anything like Flyboat North, except their ego and giant chip on their shoulder.

Wash your mouth out with soap! You expect a shiny jet cadet to get his hands dirty and fly a grubby old chieftain in the real world...how could you suggest such a horrible undertaking!

This would require using some initiative, washing the plane as well as flying it and making command decisions without a captain babysitting you in the right hand seat. Good one!

A Jetstar cadet? Getting a job in a company requiring command decisions in aircraft when they've only been prepared to be a Captain's sexual advisor?? Just to fill in time???

Not in my company, not while ever my bum points to the ground!

Been bitten before with cadets, won't go there again!

Go straight to the jet - and read someone else's checklist for at least a decade, and that's the safest place for you...

(Caveat - there may be good cadets out there, but I couldn't be bothered looking!)

Getting into one of the airline cadetships is tough, and anyone offered a spot is lucky and would be crazy not to grab the opportunity with both hands.

FBN, you're a little misinformed.

The cadets start out pretty cocky, but they find their place within a couple of years. There is a HUGE difference flying with a cadet vs flying with a pilot that has some sort of flying background. It's generally the big picture stuff, situational awareness etc.

There is a place for cadets. I just don't think it's in the right seat of a jet. They should be cruise FOs for a couple of years, or at least do a regional placement like the QF ones used to. Plenty of regionals would love to have them. Particularly the one that don't pay very well.....

Well everybody is entitle to their opinion.

But whether you think cadets do or don't belong as Jet FOs is not relevant. Jetstar think they do, and have acted on that to have cadets as FOs , and it is a long term program.

Wouldn't have thought Cobhams would have taken large numbers of "first jet" people over last couple of years, FIFO quite static. GA regional also competing against ADF , as well as expats returning from OS with significant jet time.

Cathay also gone 100% cadet

Grim few years ahead for GA/Regional looking to move on. Qlink stopped processing - nobody is leaving. EU a basket case so no chance for the EU passport holders to move there - easy/ryan - cadet intakes only. The way Jetstar is moving towards here.

The world and the economics of the RPT industry have changed. The Low Cost Carrier model is here to stay and the new norm. People in the aviation industry who don't recognise this are dinosaurs.

You may not like it, but the LCC economic tide is unstoppable. You are deluded to not recognise this.

What does the LCC model have to do with whether the pilots are cadet or direct entry?

Just got email then, course isn't running for August 2014 intake.

^^ Same deal with Virgin. Just got an email that they "Don't anticipate the program to run in 2014/2015. Please visit our website to keep up to date with job openings..."

hearing that all Feb 2013,Aug 2013 and Feb 2014 cadets will NOT get jobs, Aug 2012 will be the last group to go through with the A320 endo and get jobs . Wonder how Oxford will handle this

Can confirm ozziejim's comment above.

Even August 2012's are having a hard time, waiting 6-12 months before they're allowed to do their endorsement

I'm waiting for someone to jump in and tell us you guys have heard it all wrong. Just like this person said a few posts ago to similar posts.

I also imagine that a lot of these cadets will look for other avenues to get a start. Problem is, they haven't likely been trained in relevant aspects of aircraft command and I daresay FBN's attitude is the norm amongst them. Any CP seeing this thread would be concerned about bringing their poison into their company.

Since they have possibly been fed a false dream, won't they have some recourse to get their parent's money back?

Regardless, tomorrow when the out of luck cadets are dreaming of their jet, us in GA will get to go flying, take a look out the window at the spectacular countryside that is Australia, and hopefully reflect positively on why we started flying in the first place!

So you are saying that Jetstar have defined what their employment numbers for September 2015 , sure they have.

I doubt this is true.

But if it is the bad news is for GA/Regional people as the priorities for employment at Jetstar are firstly other Qantas group pilots , then cadets then others.

Likely they will place them in Qlink for a period.

If the cadets have to wait a bit longer post grad , then it ain't looking good for turbo-prop dreaming is it ?

Go Direct to the Jet - Go Cadet

Really???????????

Why would they do that now?

Aren't they Jeststar cadets, not Qantas or QLink cadets?

I must admit I don't know the exact set over there but I'd imagine the QLink companies recruit their own pilots to suit their own operations and wouldn't be taking Jetstar cadets just because they are surplus at Jetstar.