Thanks for that info sheet, FLGOFF.
So I assume that the majority of phase 1 is spent at Swinburne, and only the practical at OAA?

This entire thread has been an absolute disgrace, everyone get over yourselves. Concentrate on number 1(you) and disregard what every one else is doing. There's been no advice given but as typical as the industry is in this country, everyone and anyone will climb over each other just to look better.

If we all had the opportunity to join an airline at 20 and not do GA we all would. Only problem with some cadets is their arrogance and Maverick attitudes. These guys get shut down quickly especially when they can't even read a TAF!! Most of them are willing to learn! Minorities will always bring down the entire group so let's just get on with the job! Over and out!!

No problem. All the CASA license theory is completed at OAA in addition to the practical flying. The time spent completing the Associate Degree of Aviation at Swinburne is minimal. Only about one day a week will be spent at Swinburne, and the remaining 3-4 days are spent at OAA.

I have it on pretty good authority that that latest graduates of the CTC Jetstar cadet programme have been told no jobs for them.

Rumours, true or false?

• Jetstar Cadet programme cancelled or suspended.
• Cadets mid-programme receive a refund.

That would be amazing if true. The students dont know it yet but if thats the case they just hit the jackpot.

Flyboat North - care to grace us with your wisdom on this??

We dont need more of his verbal diarrhoea.

I doubt jetstar would cancel the course midway through, they most likely would rather have a pool of cadets ready once recruitment restarts again, plus the cadets don't pay jetstar, they'd be on FEE-HELP, don't think JQ has the power to make Swinburne refund the course fees already paid.

I'd agree, Jetstar don't have anything to do with the cadets until they have finished their Phase 1 training in Australia and New Zealand. It is only then after when they go to do their A320 type-rating that the cadets sign a contract with Jetstar.
So up until then, they are really just doing an accelerated aviation course with Oxford in Aus or CTC in NZ, using FEE-HELP in Australia and whatever the equivalent is in NZ. And with the potential position of an F/O in Jetstar subject to successful completion of the course and a position available in Jetstar.

This isn't the first time cadets have been told "no job for now, we'll contact you later when we have room"... It happened a few years ago and those guys after waiting 12 months all got jobs.

Only difference now is the state of the Qantas group which is quite significant. :confused:

The CTC one is all personal funding.

And the current ones training have been told there is no guarantee of jumping straight into the jet, go get another job and we will call you.

The program goes on as per normal, the cadets will graduate and as standard protocol applies:

"Upon successful completion of the Jetstar Australia Pilot Cadet Program, you will be offered with a place in the conditional employee reserve with airline. There is the intention to employ successful cadet pilots however it is dependent on the position vacancy and industry performance at the time"

The mid-year intake was cancelled a few months ago because the QF group knew then what would be in the papers today. Not a good look to have a cadet intake in one part of the business, whilst reducing in another part of the business, also reducing your negotiating power a tad.

The above is not a guarantee of employee, quite close to it though. The reason there is no guarantee is because of the reasons alluded to by Keg the other week, detailing his commencement with QF with the Adelaide cadets back around 94.

Not a great redundancy deal negotiated by AIPA, rule of thumb one month per year is good , with two weeks per year as the minimum & it is capped quite low.

Heard the other day that the wage bill for the Long Haul pilots on reserve is 100 mill pa, no wonder that the business that was given to Qantas for free by the taxpayer has been sucked dry in twenty years.

Hey unfortunately they have stopped taking people from the jetstar cadet programme and have encouraged people who have recently completed it to go and look for other jobs, there are quite a number of guys who have completed it without jobs

Uh-oh here we go again..

What makes flytwat a complete crackup is the fact that his first post on Pp was less than 18 moths ago asking about inst ratings and subsequently trolling for details of various cadet schemes(so a 38 year old wannabe?). Although he craps on about the wonderful Jetstar cadet scheme he certainly isn't part of it. Lately just vitriolic dribble mostly aimed at Qantas Crew (and a whinge about Virgins' cadet program). Bitter with a twist!:E

FB: Qantas has been sucked dry in 20 years, not the other way around...

You have no airline understanding at all.

Jetstar recruiting!
 

It's confirmed that at least 2 pilots from a regional airline in AUS have been given a start date within the next few weeks. Anyone else know more? Numbers? Future ground schools? Recruitment plans? This, I believe is the first indication of some long awaited movement :)

What?! FBN didn't get a start date? Lol.

4 from QLD, possibly more down South.

Jetstar recruiting is not a surprise nor would it surprise me if Virgin took a few. That is they way it used to be small intakes spread out through the year to cover attrition. Then the flow on effect of that through the regionals. That was the way it was when Ansett ,Qantas and TAA ruled the skies.
The period we have just seen was unprecedented; aligning of the planets,to create unsustainable growth in the aviation pilot supply chain.It was great but unfortunately the party is over. The downside I feel was the cadet schemes, but we won't go into that anymore, I hope they get what they work for.
Anyway good to see a few getting a guernsey. I hope that it continues and those waiting in the wings be patient and enjoy the ride. This is the new black I am afraid, in the recruitment scene.
Craven.

Australian airline's love affair with Cadetships might be coming to an end! Or at the very least a rethink on the whole economics of the thing.

The beginning of the end was more than likely the AFAP's successful action in having these people paid equitable wages. Along with the disastrous and ill conceived scam of having the Newbies trained in NZ, and an increase in experienced candidates.

RIP!

The Cadetship run in accordance with CTC in NZ was an option, the other option has always been the Ab-Initio program with CAE Oxford in Melbourne. How is it a scam, when there's training being conducted in Australia too.....:ugh:

Current recruitment ban in force so any start dates are unlikely.

Mate, the whole thing is a scam to reduce wages, nothing more, nothing less!

They have letters with start dates, bases and training details. Sounds pretty convincing to me!

Thanks Ted.

Sometimes you have to spell it out :rolleyes:. I should of said line training on NZ pesos, and inferior conditions. :)

Commercial and HR are finally discovering that aeroplanes actually need someone to fly them. So if you bring in extra airframes then you need extra pilots regardless of some arbitrary recruitment ban.

It also explains why direct entry F/O's are being recruited as they only need 100hours of line training and not the 200 that cadets need.

Ted
 

Where does it say recruitment ban? I can 100% tell you now that at least 2 pilots have confirmed start dates (letters of offer). So what ever recruitment ban you speak of is now non-existent.

Good news then!

I was under the impression that its was group policy due to mainline bleeding cash.

No fleet growth, new frames are replacing end of lease frames, planned Hong Kong frames never came, maybe they know something we don't?

Direct entry generally don't need babysitting after line training either!:E

I think that the 10 commands recently advertised are for additional airframes. If it was just to cover attrition back to QF it wouldn't require a sudden round of recruiting.

I think the latest commands will go MOU, so replacing like for like, maybe a couple of FO upgrades in there. Its anyones guess what the grand plan is.

What I heard is that senior F/O's on the widebody would have got them if they had only bid.

I know the status of the JetStar cadetship has been in the dark for a while now, but finally news from JetStar and CAE Oxford. Looks like it's the end of cadetships for the major Australian airlines, or at least for the "near future". I'm sure many here will be happy.

There was only ever one reason for the cadet program. They were cheaper.

The moment the Feds got their base pay increased and they became as expensive as a direct entry FO with more training, supervision and restrictions, the cadet program was doomed.

I hope there are not too many out there with expensive training and no job.

Slowly all Big Brucies ideas are being discarded from Jetstar. Cadets, Darwin base, Singapore based A330's. The original cadet scam was to have them based in NZ on NZ pay rates. Once that was found to be illegal it all started to unravel. The pilots who were able to get on board early are now 787 F/O's so it has worked for them. The people who have finished a very expensive course with no job at the end of it will rue the day they trusted anything a Jetstar recruiter told them.

Exactly the same has happened with the Qlink traineeship, except with probably bigger numbers. Around 50 have completed the incredibly expensive training and then left out to dry as the company hires recently interviewed DE over them (and now no one). Nothing against the DE guys, however I am close to one of the trainees and he has been treated appallingly by the company and now financially ruined.

Sled,

How has been "financially ruined"? Wasnt the whole thing was done on fee help funding?

If it was available to you I believe a proportion of it could be placed on VET FEE yes, however I don't think that was available to him at the time. There is also still a substantial gap in the funding that they where required to fill even if the government loan was available. $10k for ATPL subjects alone I am told!! This is the CPL entry level course I am talking about.

So why doesn't he go and get a job outside of Q link?
If he was competitive enough to get a place in the cadetship then I am sure he will be able to get another job in GA.

So, where is PeterC and that other knob jockey fool boat? Thought it was all great on the cadet thingy.....:E