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Keg 25th Sep 2011 03:13


Keg, which Bluetooth device are you planning to get?
Nitpicker. I went with the GNS5870. It arrived a couple of days ago. I'm flying tomorrow and will try it out. Glad to hear that Ozeflyer's experience is positive with the 5870. Hoping for the same.

The next thing I'll be looking for is a contraption to hold the iPad in a nice place on the side window so that it's within easy viewing but still out of the way.

compressor stall 25th Sep 2011 03:16

And can we please have a feature where it will work with user maps that are uploaded. .map would be the most logical, although it's a pain running windoze just for this!

Very useful for the survey pilots, and I am pretty sure most gov't fire departments have georeferenced topographic maps for fire work. Great for chopper guys.

beechie 25th Sep 2011 04:19

keg,

check out Apple iPad Holders & Mounts

got yoke mount, cessna seat rail mount, windscreen mount, kneeboard mount

Keg 25th Sep 2011 05:16

Beechie. Thanks heaps for that.

I think this one may suit the best for airline ops.

http://www.ram-mount.com/Portals/0/S...b166ap8iu1.jpg

rjtjrt 25th Sep 2011 05:30

RAM Mounts
 
Keg
I must say I prefer the plastic socket arms (rap-b-201) - various lengths - short one in picture below), with a twist suction cup (RAP-B-224-2U) to the heavy aluminium RAM Mounts for stuff like iPAD that are quite light themselves.
John
http://www.gpscity.com/g/gps/l/2/rapb224-2.jpg
http://www.gpscity.com/g/gps/l/0/rapb201a.jpg

compressor stall 25th Sep 2011 08:02

RAM mounts work very well in Airbus

nitpicker330 25th Sep 2011 12:00

Keg......thanks, please let us know how it works out. :ok:

KRUSTY 34 25th Sep 2011 12:12

Keg.

camzilla.com.au

baswell 26th Sep 2011 04:30


And can we please have a feature where it will work with user maps that are uploaded. .map would be the most logical, although it's a pain running windoze just for this!
Which ".map" file do you mean, there are so many! Which software do you use it with now? It is certainly something which we can look into and will be happy to work with any organisation to meet their specific needs. Just get in touch!


Any chance of Barometric correction to the GPS altitude? I know that is cheeky but when in the flight levels it would be just too cool to be able to hit STD for 1013mb.
Think about it: that would only work if we knew the ACTUAL QNH for where you are so we can calculate the difference between 1013. :)

baswell 26th Sep 2011 07:28

iPad mounts
 
Also saw some interesting DIY projects recently, created using a Knee dock attached to some other fabricated parts and bolted on to experimental aircraft.

I guess riveting new parts to the boss's Airbus is usually frowned upon, though... ;-)

beno777 30th Sep 2011 10:52

Hey Baswell, love the app. How much longer till the flight planning is ready?

Aussie Bob 30th Sep 2011 11:07

Benno, search for AvPlan in the App Store, ready and waiting for you ...

beno777 30th Sep 2011 11:28

Yeah, had a play and still not 100% sure of it and had already subscribed to ozrunways, so don't want to fork out more moola until I see what the guys can offer.

Keg 30th Sep 2011 12:55

GNS5870 worked brilliantly. It did take about four minutes to get a signal first time out when I connected it at top of climb. Also had to re-pair it as well but after that it was perfect. Located it as someone mentioned earlier, low down on the number 3 window.

Sadly the prevailing weather combined with night flying didn't allow much active use of it in terms of sight seeing but I was thrilled with how it went.

Have worked out that the iPad will clip onto the pad (writing) holder on the side wall if it's a strong enough clip so no need yet to go with a different solution....yet.

Looking forward to the multiple leg nav function coming.

nomorecatering 30th Sep 2011 15:25

How would the suction cup and long arm on teh iPad holder work in turbulence, wouldnt it flap around a bit and ultimately fall off?

Aussie Bob 30th Sep 2011 20:08

Beno: AvPlan is what the guys offer, flight planning software from the good folk at Ozrunways. Sit and play with it non stop, and waste a few evenings, once you get the hang of it it is very good.

Nomorecatering: I have the suction cap RAM mount and as far as I can see, it ain't ever coming off even if I did high G aerobatics. It is one serious sucker pad (lever operated), and the arm is also super rigid. Mine blocks a wee bit of forward view but it is also a piece of cake to loosen it and flop the Ipad onto the panel for take off and landing.

Lancair70 30th Sep 2011 22:01

Err, I thought Avplan was from the oppostion to Ozrunways ? ? When I trialled Avplan it was buggy and crashed a few times. Didnt open it again after getting Ozrunways and now can't open it it to play more as the demo period expired. ? Not paying for it to try again, Ill wait until Ozrunways get their planning sorted out.

Keg 30th Sep 2011 22:16


How would the suction cup and long arm on teh iPad holder work in turbulence, wouldnt it flap around a bit and ultimately fall off?
If it can cope with Australian roads, then it's going to cope with turbulence without any dramas.

VH-XXX 30th Sep 2011 23:02

The RAM mount is by far superior to all others including the $8 iPad mount I got from Deal Extreme that fell off and broke when I hit 8,500 ft the first time. Same reason why Go-Pros sometimes fall off.

Aussie Bob 1st Oct 2011 03:42


Err, I thought AvPlan was from the opposition to Ozrunways
Errr, it appears you are correct and I have a bit of egg on my face. Apologies to all concerned for my mistake and sorry Bemo for the bum steer! :\

Paul O'Rourke 11th Oct 2011 21:13

Can programmers make this happen?
 
Is there anyway the IPad could pick up on transponder signals within the general area and plot on a screen map without the addition of plug-ins? What are the difficulties with this concept?

KRviator 11th Oct 2011 21:23

No chance at all of that happening. The IPads 3G and Wifi frequencies are worlds apart from that used by SSR and ADS-B transponders. As is it's GPS receiver.

Homesick-Angel 12th Oct 2011 13:27

Been playing around with avplan. Is an excellent program but does crash a bit compared to the stability of. Saying that, if they can sort it the bugs, it will be a strong competitor to ORways .

VH-XXX 12th Oct 2011 19:54


Is there anyway the IPad could pick up on transponder signals within the general area and plot on a screen map without the addition of plug-ins? What are the difficulties with this concept?
It is a definite possibility for this app and I suspect it's on the horizon for it; would just need an external unit as the receiver, much the same as the blue-tooth GPS receivers that some are using. I'd be expecting it for ADSB versus the current transponders. The sky is the limit with the iPad, it's just a matter of what companies are choosing to charge for the associated hardware to go with it. I understand that the OzRunways guys are about value so if they do build one, it will be likely be affordable for the average Joe.

Sunfish 12th Oct 2011 20:12

Any idea when the route planning feature might be available?

havick 13th Oct 2011 00:56

shagpile, any chance of having the option to purchase CAO ammendments via Ozrunways in the future? It would be nice to have everything in one nice little package.

Shagpile 13th Oct 2011 03:26


Any idea when the route planning feature might be available?
We've sent out the beta testing copy to a bunch of people & are fixing all the bugs. Hard to give a firm ETA (as I'll only break my promise!) but I'd imagine a few weeks till it's on the App Store.

QFF 14th Oct 2011 01:39

Ozrunways & iOS5
 
Has anyone had problems with restoring Ozrunways after upgrading to iOS5?

I am afraid to upgrade after hearing horror stories of people losing their apps/data etc despite backing up to itunes.

Capt Claret 14th Oct 2011 02:19

QFF,

I upgraded to iOS 5 yesterday and just checked OzRunways in the CNS terminal. It seems to work, though shows me at an elevation of some 1100'!:8

nitpicker330 14th Oct 2011 04:05

Warning to all updating to iOS5

After you open OzRunways you will need to download everything again,
DAPS, ERSA, CHARTS etc for use offline in the air.

Jabawocky 14th Oct 2011 04:17

I found myself 8535NM to the NW of Brisbane........Retard Vehicle has good range but not that good!

Talk about off the map! :eek:

It seemed Ok after that though!

Ohhh dear.........just looked...have to reload all the maps again.

Sorry Rowan, better keep that server cool. :uhoh:

Keg 14th Oct 2011 05:02

Are you guys sure about the maps? I've updated the iPad to IOS 5 but the maps are still good?!?!? Used them for study yesterday and been looking at them again today.

I just had another look. In the settings they're marked as 'download' but if I select them via maps they're still there. The AIP is gone and so that will need to be downloaded again, but DAPS are still there as is the ERSA entry even though the settings say that too needs to be downloaded.

Very weird!

Ah, now I think I get it. I have a data connection so as I go to look at something, it downloads it. Perhaps I'd better reload everything just to make sure.

baswell 14th Oct 2011 05:03

Yeah, sorry 'bout that. All maps are stored in the "Caches" directory which doesn't get backed up. So far, with major OS upgrades, Apple does a backup/update/restore. So maps and ERSA/DAP/AIP gone. :(

The good news is: this should be the last time as updates from iOS 5 should now be incremental, without requiring iTunes.

There is one complicating factor: there is no file-system location right now that is both not backed up but also guaranteed to not be emptied out. Technically, when disk space is getting low, iOS could start emptying application specific cache directories.

At the same time, stuff like our maps are not allowed to be store in "Documents" anymore because of long back up times to the new iCloud service. They check and will reject apps for it.

Rock, hard place.

We (and many other app makers) are going to petition Apple to create a new directory, call it "PermaCaches" - not backed up, not removed by the OS either.

In the mean time, always keep a GB or so free on your iDevice to make sure iOS cache cleaner doesn't clobber the biggest "offender".

Bas.

Jabawocky 14th Oct 2011 05:11

I can see this being a stumbling block for CASA to allow these to be used as paperless cockpits.

Unless you can guarantee your data is not lost..... they would be right in being concerned.

with a 64Gig unit I might just be safe ;)

nitpicker330 14th Oct 2011 07:00

Baswell........I've downloaded all the data again but just one question please?

The AIP index tab ( top left ) shows all the AIP pages BUT when you tap on one it won't take you to that page???

ie trying to see section 3.4 Communication services I tap on the screen but nothing?

Am I doing something wrong?

Tks.

Jabawocky 14th Oct 2011 07:07

Not OzRunways related but the bugs are an issue with the MUSIC or ipod function, won't play, then when you get it to play by randomly poking things it will play anything else but what you poke. Seems this is the fix

  1. Connect your iPhone to your computer and open iTunes.
  2. Uncheck "Sync Music" and click "Sync". This will remove all the music from your iPhone.
  3. Check "Sync Music" and click "Sync". This will put the music back into your iPhone.
As for the AIP....yep its broken too, even search and select. Is this Steve protesting to the world? Last hoorah and all. Come back to haunt us:sad:.

The OTHER data seems to link OK though.

Just like Microsoft it seems :{

Agent86 15th Oct 2011 10:04

NitPicker ..

The AIP index tab ( top left ) shows all the AIP pages BUT when you tap on one it won't take you to that page???

ie trying to see section 3.4 Communication services I tap on the screen but nothing?

Am I doing something wrong?

Same with me ...Also the Search function does not allow selection of any of the items.

Any solutions?

Shagpile 16th Oct 2011 04:07


when you tap on one it won't take you to that page
Yes it seems iOS5 web browser is different & does not scroll any more.

In iOS4.x it loads up PDF's as if they are a web page, so you could internally scroll them quite easily. Now it seems to load up PDF's as some kind of document that you can't use javascript on.

We've fixed this problem in the current beta that we are testing. Hopefully we can release it very shortly.

nitpicker330 16th Oct 2011 09:19

Thanks mate :ok:

belly tank 16th Oct 2011 10:26

Has anyone else noticed speed dropped in IPad IPhone since OS5 download?
Both mine seem very slow in loading all apps:ugh:


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