C210 Time
Natit. Didn't you know you have to have a hobby during the wet season or you'd go nucking futs? We don't really get a wet season where I am, but it sure helps having a hobby..... 
Seriously though dude, the NT is the cheapest place in Oz to get personalised plates, mine are on order for when I finally get off me butt and transfer the rego over from NSW, but that won't happen until I get "home" again.
Regards,
OpsN.
Seriously though dude, the NT is the cheapest place in Oz to get personalised plates, mine are on order for when I finally get off me butt and transfer the rego over from NSW, but that won't happen until I get "home" again.
Regards,
OpsN.
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clear up
couple of things - if you guys don't think it will give away your id then quote some regos.
Exmexiacan, the old BIV wagon used to climb like a home sick angel on that paper run, but alas after the non-navigating-no-wheels-required pendeheco altered the paint job they put a Scimitar prop on her and she lost about 5kts. By the way who are you? Intials will solve it!
Drshmoo, EDE may be the fastest in KU but not the Kimberley. A friend has beaten it on the KU-BRM track (same time) in the BIV wagon and there are two (possibly three) C210 in BRM that beat BIV since the new Prop/engine. Experience has shown that some C210's go thru phases (about every 1700-2000hrs) of competiveness.Glad to see the love is in your veins
Druglord, it's JS. Remembering all the good times and singalongs on the Herbert St balcony!!! hope everything is going ok
VneII
Exmexiacan, the old BIV wagon used to climb like a home sick angel on that paper run, but alas after the non-navigating-no-wheels-required pendeheco altered the paint job they put a Scimitar prop on her and she lost about 5kts. By the way who are you? Intials will solve it!
Drshmoo, EDE may be the fastest in KU but not the Kimberley. A friend has beaten it on the KU-BRM track (same time) in the BIV wagon and there are two (possibly three) C210 in BRM that beat BIV since the new Prop/engine. Experience has shown that some C210's go thru phases (about every 1700-2000hrs) of competiveness.Glad to see the love is in your veins
Druglord, it's JS. Remembering all the good times and singalongs on the Herbert St balcony!!! hope everything is going ok
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Hallo boys
Concerning the BIV wagon, it certainly is a machine, but since its belly clean, it has been superceeded by 2 A/C... The NWN run providing adequate testing grounds for almost all C210's in the Kimberly....
The A/C I speak of is most definately the fastest 210 about the kimberly unless its recent engine change has proved to be a bad one, but A few months ago I blasted past EDE about 90 miles out from Broome.
I dont know exactly who is who yet, but I am sure I know some of you lads... hope its all well over there... happy flying. Catch you on the west coast somewhere sometime soon...
The A/C I speak of is most definately the fastest 210 about the kimberly unless its recent engine change has proved to be a bad one, but A few months ago I blasted past EDE about 90 miles out from Broome.
I dont know exactly who is who yet, but I am sure I know some of you lads... hope its all well over there... happy flying. Catch you on the west coast somewhere sometime soon...
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Not sure if any of you boys who are posting now are familiar with the Friday Night freighter out of PD. It stopped running before Christmas 2001. Just before the NWN frieghter replaced it.
BIV was the machine. The old wagon fixed most other Broome based 210's. Even when at same power settings of what the other company operated (21 inches 2400RPM). In the wagon you could depart last and arrive first (not beating any of the barons or the 310 that is). That was when BIV was fitted with the McCauley Prop.
After the NWN incident and during the early days of the NWN freighter there was only one machine to have: BIL!! Most of the KLA pilots of that time would agree: BC, HW, JS, BM, HD, JD (initials only). For the Broome Av pilots: GF, AJ, AK, RH SK, EZ, DK, they would agree as BIL fixed up most of their 210's during that time (including Sqeezer!!). From what I understand now, BIL may not be the fastest in the Broome region anymore. Could anyone shed any light?
Cheers.
BIV was the machine. The old wagon fixed most other Broome based 210's. Even when at same power settings of what the other company operated (21 inches 2400RPM). In the wagon you could depart last and arrive first (not beating any of the barons or the 310 that is). That was when BIV was fitted with the McCauley Prop.
After the NWN incident and during the early days of the NWN freighter there was only one machine to have: BIL!! Most of the KLA pilots of that time would agree: BC, HW, JS, BM, HD, JD (initials only). For the Broome Av pilots: GF, AJ, AK, RH SK, EZ, DK, they would agree as BIL fixed up most of their 210's during that time (including Sqeezer!!). From what I understand now, BIL may not be the fastest in the Broome region anymore. Could anyone shed any light?
Cheers.
Hey fella's,is C-210 DOB still up that way.Also while where on the subject is it true that KLA now own AEH?
VneII,is the "Scimitar prop" those flash looking butter knife props and what are they like?
Take it easy at the Mangrove
, hoss
VneII,is the "Scimitar prop" those flash looking butter knife props and what are they like?
Take it easy at the Mangrove
, hoss
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DOB is no longer in Wyndham.......certain pilot requested a 206 instead..... 
KLA have had AEH for about 18 months now.....don't think BIL is as quick as it used to be after getting a new donk
gu
KLA have had AEH for about 18 months now.....don't think BIL is as quick as it used to be after getting a new donk
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Getting back to the original topic.....
This may help!
I have flown HWY and BFN form Rossair although HWY has been sold I think they have replaced it and apparently Rossair has gone and Brian Cool runs it all from Masterflight (under the CT).
Hwy was nice but BFN is better. It has a more powerful than normal 210 engine (not sure of the horses...440maybe..someone will know), excellent condition with all the necessary equipment plus a ten stacker CD player which was very handy for the trip to Birdsville last year.
The sad news for you is that the insurance requirements are around 300 hours.....Worth enquiring though. The endorsement can take up to 4 hours and at $300+ an hour its not cheap.
Bruce Hartwig runs a 206 and a 210 so check him out. There are a few 182's around also. 40+ hours experience in a 210 is ideal if your going to go bush.
Cheers.
This may help!
I have flown HWY and BFN form Rossair although HWY has been sold I think they have replaced it and apparently Rossair has gone and Brian Cool runs it all from Masterflight (under the CT).
Hwy was nice but BFN is better. It has a more powerful than normal 210 engine (not sure of the horses...440maybe..someone will know), excellent condition with all the necessary equipment plus a ten stacker CD player which was very handy for the trip to Birdsville last year.
The sad news for you is that the insurance requirements are around 300 hours.....Worth enquiring though. The endorsement can take up to 4 hours and at $300+ an hour its not cheap.
Bruce Hartwig runs a 206 and a 210 so check him out. There are a few 182's around also. 40+ hours experience in a 210 is ideal if your going to go bush.
Cheers.
what the ?
440 hp, I'd like to see that. Its been a while but dont C-210's have Conti IO-520's (300 rated BHP) in them just like the C-206's?
any input on the comparison between the 'butter knife' props and the 'black mac' props, do they still sound the same?
safe flying, hoss
any input on the comparison between the 'butter knife' props and the 'black mac' props, do they still sound the same?
safe flying, hoss
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There is a pressurised turbo charged 210.. I am not sure what the rated horse power is but that could possibly explain the extra ooomph...
To clear up a point... UPN and BIL, both KLA machines, were side by side in the speed department and quite clearly held the speed bar high. I am aware of one occasion when UPN was TAS ing 169 knots at TOC after an MTOW departure. Took of last and made 7500 feet first, and then blew 4 other 210's away... Good machine.. Ex MAF plane I believe. Besides the above, it should also be noted that BIL lost its nerve with a recent engine change as I understand it... much in accordance with VNEII's statement about the 210's ability to gain and lose performance as time passes.
The schimitar is the swept back blade, as far as performance goes, it has better take off and apparently climb performance (I am not convinced about the climb performance bit) but they are also a few knots slower than the Mcauley blades..
Hope I have been helpful.....
PS... How you goin up there Giddy up.... Alls well I hope.. I give you a call in a few days...
To clear up a point... UPN and BIL, both KLA machines, were side by side in the speed department and quite clearly held the speed bar high. I am aware of one occasion when UPN was TAS ing 169 knots at TOC after an MTOW departure. Took of last and made 7500 feet first, and then blew 4 other 210's away... Good machine.. Ex MAF plane I believe. Besides the above, it should also be noted that BIL lost its nerve with a recent engine change as I understand it... much in accordance with VNEII's statement about the 210's ability to gain and lose performance as time passes.
The schimitar is the swept back blade, as far as performance goes, it has better take off and apparently climb performance (I am not convinced about the climb performance bit) but they are also a few knots slower than the Mcauley blades..
Hope I have been helpful.....
PS... How you goin up there Giddy up.... Alls well I hope.. I give you a call in a few days...
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Hoss,
what has been said about the scimitar is correct. It is supposed to give better take-off and climb performance and also reduced noise, at a cost of 3-5kts in the cruise.
It has, however been my experience that when that sweet continental IO-520 is punching out 300 gee gees a decibell here or there is not noticeable. I am also of the opinion that it's climb performance is not as good as the McCauley and that the speed reduction is 5kts+ ..... not that I have any biases
VneII
PS. Milehighsociety, has the speed increase in UPN been scince it was fitted with a McCauley? She's a good bus that one
Also from what I'm told McCauley props are about $2000 more than Scimitar, can anyone comfirm?
what has been said about the scimitar is correct. It is supposed to give better take-off and climb performance and also reduced noise, at a cost of 3-5kts in the cruise.
It has, however been my experience that when that sweet continental IO-520 is punching out 300 gee gees a decibell here or there is not noticeable. I am also of the opinion that it's climb performance is not as good as the McCauley and that the speed reduction is 5kts+ ..... not that I have any biases
VneII
PS. Milehighsociety, has the speed increase in UPN been scince it was fitted with a McCauley? She's a good bus that one
Also from what I'm told McCauley props are about $2000 more than Scimitar, can anyone comfirm?
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Can't comment on your Aussie machines, currently operating 2 in Africa. Both with scimatars, normally aspirated 520's.
Nice machines, one L, one N model. But for a sight to behold one needs to see the mid eighties R model. They only built 86 of them, and they're quite different!!! extremely fast, but bloody expensive to buy...very sought after.
Biggest donk I've seen in a 210 is 325hp. Standard is 300hp, turboed 310hp.
Cheers guys, enjoy the wet season, we're also in the middle of ours....good fun for the boys!!!
KF
Nice machines, one L, one N model. But for a sight to behold one needs to see the mid eighties R model. They only built 86 of them, and they're quite different!!! extremely fast, but bloody expensive to buy...very sought after.
Biggest donk I've seen in a 210 is 325hp. Standard is 300hp, turboed 310hp.
Cheers guys, enjoy the wet season, we're also in the middle of ours....good fun for the boys!!!
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VNEII
Gday mate,
UPN sure copped a few extra knots after its mcauleys, it climbs much better too. It was most noticeable when heavy, it doesnt lose nearly as much performance as other 210's. I am not sure if this is true for all A/C that have the conversion or if the new blades just happen to suit the airframe better, who knows. Apparently they are all built to perform and fly the same but I think you know better than that. Perhaps it was just a good engine/prop combo, I guess we'll find out on the next engine change.
The Mcauleys are more expensive however I have heard they have a longer lifespan which makes them better per hour. Dont quote me though, I am going off second hand information.
As for the 440 HP donk, I want one in every 210.. it sounds like much fun... but why not just chuck in an allison 250 or a derated PT6 like that lancair that buzzes around at the speed of sound. I would never feel the need to fly another plane.
UPN sure copped a few extra knots after its mcauleys, it climbs much better too. It was most noticeable when heavy, it doesnt lose nearly as much performance as other 210's. I am not sure if this is true for all A/C that have the conversion or if the new blades just happen to suit the airframe better, who knows. Apparently they are all built to perform and fly the same but I think you know better than that. Perhaps it was just a good engine/prop combo, I guess we'll find out on the next engine change.
The Mcauleys are more expensive however I have heard they have a longer lifespan which makes them better per hour. Dont quote me though, I am going off second hand information.
As for the 440 HP donk, I want one in every 210.. it sounds like much fun... but why not just chuck in an allison 250 or a derated PT6 like that lancair that buzzes around at the speed of sound. I would never feel the need to fly another plane.
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Score Update (BIV/BIL)
For all those with any interest regarding the abovementioned aeroplanes, Today was the day of reckoning........
DEAD HEAT ,
Departed Newman together and landed in Broome With the same time interval.
Sad but true.
However for the prunsters out there that know these planes , It was great fun.
ps. same altitude and power settings..
DEAD HEAT ,
Departed Newman together and landed in Broome With the same time interval.
Sad but true.
However for the prunsters out there that know these planes , It was great fun.
ps. same altitude and power settings..
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Once you go below the hard deck safeskiesabove you are disqualified in the biv/ bil race but none the less bil will get faster once the boss man gives it a little tweek. Perhaps next time I will use 23inch MP.
In all seriousness it was a tie over the brm - nwn sector!
Gday all the lads out there
In all seriousness it was a tie over the brm - nwn sector!
Gday all the lads out there
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Milehighsociety who are you? initals will do!
Hey snapperhead if you want BIL to beat BIV on the freighter you need to maintain heading and altitude so she can get her speed on, it's hard for her to go fast when you're swaying all over the sky!
Hey snapperhead if you want BIL to beat BIV on the freighter you need to maintain heading and altitude so she can get her speed on, it's hard for her to go fast when you're swaying all over the sky!
