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Old 21st Nov 2023, 06:57
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It may be that they treat it as live, even though they aren't. If I was the recovery dude or ette I'd be treating them as live.
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Old 21st Nov 2023, 07:14
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Yes. As with signal flares in a sunken fishing boat, those non-existent ejection seat cartridges in a sunken aircraft should be approached with extreme caution.

We need to see an interview with Geoffrey.
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Old 21st Nov 2023, 07:18
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon

We need to see an interview with Geoffrey.
One of the Melbourne based TV networks had an “aviation expert” on after the crash and he was a little disappointing to put it politely.
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Old 21st Nov 2023, 07:21
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Did you mean "disappointed" rather than "disappointing"? In the context of your post, the former is an observation about the expert's demeanour; the latter an observation about the expert's performance.
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Old 21st Nov 2023, 07:35
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Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer
The Marchetti is usually fitted with MB10 seats, zero-zero capability so your statement is incorrect based on the publicly available information. Moot point if seats were in fact inert anyway.

https://web.archive.org/web/20091122...0sale%20x1.pdf
I flew one with a parachute so unsure usually applies in this case
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Old 21st Nov 2023, 07:37
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
Did you mean "disappointed" rather than "disappointing"? In the context of your post, the former is an observation about the expert's demeanour; the latter an observation about the expert's performance.
Yep, disappointing. As in, not a great representative of the industry.

At least GT dresses nicely and is clean shaven, he looks like he just stepped out of business class on Qantas.
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Old 21st Nov 2023, 07:47
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You mean... out of the Qantas Chairman's Lounge.

Anyway, let's do an informal poll:

How many posters reckon the accident aircraft had any ejection seat explosives fitted?
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Old 21st Nov 2023, 08:22
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"Anyway, let's do an informal poll:

How many posters reckon the accident aircraft had any ejection seat explosives fitted?"

And the point of that is??
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Originally Posted by VH-MLE
"Anyway, let's do an informal poll:

How many posters reckon the accident aircraft had any ejection seat explosives fitted?"

And the point of that is??
to validate one's hypothesis
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Originally Posted by VH-MLE
"Anyway, let's do an informal poll:

How many posters reckon the accident aircraft had any ejection seat explosives fitted?"

And the point of that is??
Just a rough measurement and comparison of my levels of stupidity against others'.
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Old 21st Nov 2023, 08:36
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The ejection seat I sat on in my parachute had 'EJECTION SEAT INOP' plastered on it, so we may be splitting hairs here
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As far as investigating this accident goes, what we hypothesise is largely irrelevant. The status of the ejection seats will be ascertained before any recovery is instigated. While we're at it, how about an informal poll as to whether we believe marijuana should be legalised across the country?
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Originally Posted by VH-MLE
As far as investigating this accident goes, what we hypothesise is largely irrelevant. The status of the ejection seats will be ascertained before any recovery is instigated. While we're at it, how about an informal poll as to whether we believe marijuana should be legalised across the country?
Let's get Swinburne University involved, research study time...
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"Just a rough measurement and comparison of my levels of stupidity against others'."

I think we know that already!
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Old 21st Nov 2023, 08:48
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If the recovery of the aircraft and the deceased from the seabed is being delayed because of any bull**** about ejection seats on board being a danger to anyone, then we might as well delay recovery on the basis of an informal poll about whether someone's star signs are not propitious.
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Old 21st Nov 2023, 09:42
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I mentioned parachutes. A couple have confirmed as worn on their flights.
Apart from a healthy altitude what did any pre flight briefing have to say about speeds ?
If the 2 Vipers were at dot feet, unuseable obviously.
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Old 21st Nov 2023, 09:54
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I mentioned parachutes. A couple have confirmed as worn on their flights.
Apart from a healthy altitude what did any pre flight briefing have to say about speeds ?
If the 2 Vipers were at dot feet, unuseable obviously.
FR reported the lowest alt at 1,250’ish ft on 1013.2.
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Old 21st Nov 2023, 10:36
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Originally Posted by VH-MLE
"Anyway, let's do an informal poll:

How many posters reckon the accident aircraft had any ejection seat explosives fitted?"

And the point of that is??

There is some ambiguity in that statement... One of my aircraft had inerted seats (FOL-1's) from 1995 when put on the FAA register. All good, inert, nice canopy jettison non explosive. 20 years later, a mechanic is over the seat removing the inert seat with a couple of other guys, and as it comes up the rail so they can get to the bits they want to do work on, the sound of a charge going off concentrated their minds. There are explosive sears in the seat as well, the "inert" didn't mean removal of all charges apparently.

The S-211 was inert when I looked at them from the guy who brought them into AUS. The canopy jettison would be the point of interest, it's a big canoe like the 326, 339, and the T1/T2s; getting out in an unsteady condition could be interesting. The L39's is better, like the SOG2, (the L39s likes coming off all by itself...) With wing LE damage, the chance that the other aircraft had tail or aileron damage is not zero, and from 2,000' there is not much time to sort out the issues when the aircraft is not responding nicely.

Sharing a cockpit from the outside at low level doesn't matter if it is a Pitts or a S-211, the potential for a bad day is substantial. ALARP applies.

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Doesn't take long for the trolls to try to milk a tragedy.
Reported a random dude's FB post for mocking the female QF pilot who was in 1 of the seats in VH-DQJ.
How did he do that - by linking a short vid of a horribly bounced landing of a twin, naming her and saying it was her returning to SYD in her private plane.
Thoughtless idiot.

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Old 21st Nov 2023, 19:46
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Doesn't take long for the trolls to try to milk a tragedy.
Reported a random dude's FB post for mocking the female QF pilot who was in 1 of the seats in VH-DQJ.
How did he do that - by linking a short vid of a horribly bounced landing of a twin, naming her and saying it was her returning to SYD in her private plane.
Thoughtless idiot.
The thoughtless idiot obviously has no idea of the qualifications, experience and competence of the individual.
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