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Old 21st Nov 2023, 01:29
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I think we'll find that organisations with a CASA Certificate of Approval to do maintenance on ejection seats are pretty thin on the ground. The number with ITARs clearance to have access to current tech data on ejection seats manufactured in the USA would be thinner.

And the Operations Manual chapter dealing with the pre-, during and post-flight procedures for use of ejection seats in civilian operations would probably exceed the MTOW of the aircraft.
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Old 21st Nov 2023, 01:51
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Originally Posted by Squawk7700
The most extreme speed they hit on the day was around 270 knots based on FR24 and the lowest altitude in the area was around 1,200ft. The MB MK10 has a minimum height limit of ZERO feet and a maximum speed for ejection of 630 KIAS, so well within limits, IF it was indeed operative. The issue at that height would be if the aircraft was inverted. You can indeed eject inverted, however I can't find the suggested data on the minimum safe deployment altitude for such a scenario.
PAF S-211 Flight Manual PDF (13Mb) : MIN SAFE Ejectjion Graph with the MK IT10LA Ejection Seat
https://static1.squarespace.com/stat...ght_manual.pdf




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Originally Posted by Clinton McKenzie
And the Operations Manual chapter dealing with the pre-, during and post-flight procedures for use of ejection seats in civilian operations would probably exceed the MTOW of the aircraft.
Indeed.
(Somewhat in contrast to RAAF and RNZAF procedures for troops having flights in fighter jets, circa 1980. My preflight 'bang seat' briefings for Mirage and Skyhawk flights were each about a minute. But the really important stuff about ejecting before the pilot was well covered.)
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Originally Posted by gerry111
Indeed.
(Somewhat in contrast to RAAF and RNZAF procedures for troops having flights in fighter jets, circa 1980. My preflight 'bang seat' briefings for Mirage and Skyhawk flights were each about a minute. But the really important stuff about ejecting before the pilot was well covered.)
Please tell us more about your 'briefings' with the RAAF Mirage & RNZAF Skyhawk. Were you in these Air Forces at the time or a civvie?
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Originally Posted by gerry111
Indeed.
(Somewhat in contrast to RAAF and RNZAF procedures for troops having flights in fighter jets, circa 1980. My preflight 'bang seat' briefings for Mirage and Skyhawk flights were each about a minute. But the really important stuff about ejecting before the pilot was well covered.)
Same with RAF in late 90s on the Hawk... squipper ran through it all at lightning speed.
Then before brakes off was told "If we have EFATO I will call Eject, Eject. If you are still here after the second call - you will be by yourself."
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Old 21st Nov 2023, 02:05
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Did I recently see a cockpit video of an ejection of the pilot and a troop on a jolly from an NZ Skyhawk, GIII? Flown by an erstwhile colleague?
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Originally Posted by SpazSinbad
Please tell us more about your 'briefings' with the RAAF Mirage & RNZAF Skyhawk. Were you in these Air Forces at the time or a civvie?
I was a RAAF RADTECHA who worked on Mirages at WLM, BUT, RIC and EDN.
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Originally Posted by Clinton McKenzie
Did I recently see a cockpit video of an ejection of the pilot and a troop on a jolly from an NZ Skyhawk, GIII? Flown by an erstwhile colleague?
I haven't seen that one, Clinton. Last I heard, NZ6252 was still flying for Draken in the USA as N141EM.
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Originally Posted by Clinton McKenzie
Did I recently see a cockpit video of an ejection of the pilot and a troop on a jolly from an NZ Skyhawk, GIII? Flown by an erstwhile colleague?
Was it the M339 video you saw?
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That's the one! Mixing my Macchis with my Skyhawks...
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That's the one! Mixing my Macchis with my Skyhawks...
Pretty dramatic video - you can hear the fear in their voices.
Back-seater was left with ongoing back issues I seem to remember - he was quite tall.
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ABC reporting wreckage located.

Sorry, can’t add link for some reason.


Link: https://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...e6100323e3b4b0
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Originally Posted by joe_bloggs
ABC reporting wreckage located.

Sorry, canít add link for some reason.
Guardian.also..
https://www.theguardian.com/australi...e-stephen-gale

Victoria police on Tuesday morning confirmed crews found a large part of the body of the plane off the shore of Mornington.

Police planned to search the fuselage once it was removed from the water
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Just watched the CH10 news & they are saying that retrieving the wreckage is going to be very tricky because the aircraft was fitted with ejection seats. It will require Navy clearance divers to do it.

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Just watched the CH10 news & they are saying that retrieving the wreckage is going to be very tricky because the aircraft was fitted with ejection seats. It will require Navy clearance divers to do it..
Even if they were inerted (ie. contain no explosives)?!?? Interesting..

Anyways, here's a good summary of what we know so far:

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Originally Posted by PiperCameron
Even if they were inerted (ie. contain no explosives)?!?? Interesting..

Anyways, here's a good summary of what we know so far:

https://youtu.be/oxwTUW6mKa4?feature=shared
Who confirmed that they are inert? Thatís just hearsay.
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Who confirmed that they are inert? Thatís just hearsay.
Plenty of people know Stephen and the jet involved. The seats are inert.
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Old 21st Nov 2023, 07:24
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We need to consult the guru: Geoffrey Thomas.

Or perhaps the MSM already have...
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Who confirmed that they are inert? That’s just hearsay.
​​​​​​​Was inert when I flew in it.
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Originally Posted by junior.VH-LFA
Plenty of people know Stephen and the jet involved. The seats are inert.
It wasnít posted here until you just did, hence the comment. Surprised to hear about the Navy divers if what you say is correct.
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