Cirrus down Gundaroo, 06/10/23
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Cirrus down Gundaroo, 06/10/23
From the ABC:
Both FA & FR24 show VH-MSF, a Cirrus planned YSCB-YARM in the area at the time, and in a rapid descent from ~9,000 in the vicinity, and failing to reappear. Whoever it was, hopefully they've been able to walk away from it, but it doesn't sound promising...
EDIT:Added photos from onthesceneACT.
Emergency services responding to reported plane crash outside Gundaroo, north of Canberra
Emergency services have been called to a reported plane crash at Gundaroo, a small town north of Canberra.
NSW Police said they received a report that a plane had crashed and caught alight just before 3:00pm today.
Firefighters, police and the ambulance service are at the scene, which is close to the Federal Highway and Lake George.
It is unclear how many people were on board the plane.
Emergency services have been called to a reported plane crash at Gundaroo, a small town north of Canberra.
NSW Police said they received a report that a plane had crashed and caught alight just before 3:00pm today.
Firefighters, police and the ambulance service are at the scene, which is close to the Federal Highway and Lake George.
It is unclear how many people were on board the plane.
EDIT:Added photos from onthesceneACT.
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7th Oct 2023, 01:26
short flights long nights
We are talking about a crash here that killed four people. Can you please give your Covid conspiracy theories a rest.
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Very sad.
Last radio call to departures was ops normal.
FR suggests 12,000fpm descent rate at <120 knots.
It’s a G1 and they have a one piece wing.
It sounds catastrophic.
Last radio call to departures was ops normal.
FR suggests 12,000fpm descent rate at <120 knots.
It’s a G1 and they have a one piece wing.
It sounds catastrophic.
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They're supposed to! Which makes this one strange. Looking at FA and the recent flights, they've all been filed at set 1000's in altitudes, not Alt+500, indicative of routine operations under the IFR.
Latest news reports are saying a pilot + 3 kids on board, too.
FZL per the 0500-1100Z GAF was listed as 8000'N / 5000'S for the area, with BKN CU/SC5000/10000. Possible...
Latest news reports are saying a pilot + 3 kids on board, too.
Icing?
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FR shows maintaining groundspeed in low fpm descent at time 20231006 03:47 UTC after reaching top of climb, then followed by slowing groundspeed with increasingly rapid descent. Explanations?
Worse…..grandpa took three of the grandkids out for a School holiday blast.
https://www.news.com.au/national/at-...be08567f2f00e5
the flight profile is heartbreaking…
https://www.news.com.au/national/at-...be08567f2f00e5
the flight profile is heartbreaking…
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Some observations:
From flightaware - Flight out of Canberra shows straight tracking upto 7800’ (1013 datum) then tracking looks handflown.
On the way down, at 7300’ (1013 datum) the ROD is 9811 at around 80° angle of depression. 18 seconds later the ROD at 3550’ (1013 datum) is reduced 41% to 5714 fpm at an 83° angle of depression.
From flightaware - Flight out of Canberra shows straight tracking upto 7800’ (1013 datum) then tracking looks handflown.
On the way down, at 7300’ (1013 datum) the ROD is 9811 at around 80° angle of depression. 18 seconds later the ROD at 3550’ (1013 datum) is reduced 41% to 5714 fpm at an 83° angle of depression.
Last edited by Paul O'Rourke; 6th Oct 2023 at 11:13. Reason: r instead of f
Maybe an evil thought…
It's a bit hard to imagine incapacitation leading to that sort of flight profile unless it was a seizure or something causing a total lockup on the controls. I'd think even with someone slumped over the stick (which doesn't seem very likely with a Cirrus sidestick anyway) the aerodynamic forces involved would eventually shallow the descent out a bit. You would assume he would have shown the kids how to operate the parachute too in case he suddenly keeled over.
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