Cirrus down Gundaroo, 06/10/23
This is the only accident I could find that is remotely similar;
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/310048
However it seems once the parachute failed and detached the aircraft then accelerated to very high speed as you would expect from such nose down attitude.
Experienced pilot with hundreds of hours is what is quoted by the media.
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/310048
However it seems once the parachute failed and detached the aircraft then accelerated to very high speed as you would expect from such nose down attitude.
Experienced pilot with hundreds of hours is what is quoted by the media.
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Or you could have read what I posted earlier about filed altitudes being at IFR levels. Student pilots A-typically do not file a plan at all and B- when they do, they don't file IFR...
Definitely not a student, IFR planned, Canberra to Armidale is what is listed. They know who was flying, and with who, so I'm fairly confident the media is not making it up.
There’s a very low probability of anything you read about this incident in the press being accurate at this early stage. We all know they have NFI when it comes to aviation (but it’s ok, everything else is reliable…)
How this for quality journalism:
“Referred to as Mike Sierra Foxtrot, the plane is heard replying "copy" as he is cleared for takeoff.
Later in the flight, air traffic controllers tell the pilot to "resume navigation and track direct to Cullen", referring to a small town in NSW.
"Direct, Cullen, Mike Sierra Foxtrot," the pilot is heard replying.”
How this for quality journalism:
“Referred to as Mike Sierra Foxtrot, the plane is heard replying "copy" as he is cleared for takeoff.
Later in the flight, air traffic controllers tell the pilot to "resume navigation and track direct to Cullen", referring to a small town in NSW.
"Direct, Cullen, Mike Sierra Foxtrot," the pilot is heard replying.”
I tend to agree with BronteExperimental on the potential of more than one debris field. I cannot call too many accidents where such a total obliteration has occurred without some bits of metal (part of a wing etc) being present.
Yes, there's not much left after a post-crash fire in a Cirrus. 'Plastic' plus Avgas = big fire and not much left. The POB this one survived, albeit one had serious injuries.
*** NOTE: THIS IS NOT - REPEAT NOT - A PHOTO OF THE AFTERMATH OF THE TRAGEDY THE SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD. IT IS A PHOTO OF THE AFTERMATH OF A DIFFERENT INCIDENT WHICH THE PERSONS ON BOARD SURVIVED. THE POINT OF THE PHOTO IS TO SHOW THE EFFECTS OF A POST-IMPACT FIRE ON A CIRRUS TYPE AIRCRAFT AFTER A 'NORMAL' CAPS DESCENT. ***
*** NOTE: THIS IS NOT - REPEAT NOT - A PHOTO OF THE AFTERMATH OF THE TRAGEDY THE SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD. IT IS A PHOTO OF THE AFTERMATH OF A DIFFERENT INCIDENT WHICH THE PERSONS ON BOARD SURVIVED. THE POINT OF THE PHOTO IS TO SHOW THE EFFECTS OF A POST-IMPACT FIRE ON A CIRRUS TYPE AIRCRAFT AFTER A 'NORMAL' CAPS DESCENT. ***
Last edited by Lead Balloon; 8th Oct 2023 at 03:05.
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We are talking about a crash here that killed four people. Can you please give your Covid conspiracy theories a rest.
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This is the only accident I could find that is remotely similar;
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/310048
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/310048
My experience with icing is that it does not stack on so quickly that you can't tell someone about it, even in severe ice you have time to ask for a change of level, descent etc. The flight profile does not really fit sudden icing, and a stall. What I do see in those two failed chute deployments is that once the chute detaches the aircraft does nose dive very rapidly at high descent rate and speed. This event seems to start from climb speed, not particularly slow, there is still some altitude gain indicated after speed washes off rapidly, and then a brick like descent, but not accelerating to what you would expect for such a vertical descent profile. That's why I was thinking maybe some sort of chute malfunction, it deploys badly, the drag link pitches the nose up while forward speed reduces rapidly, then it arcs over into a semi drag arrested descent. In any case it's a tragedy and I hope those with the expertise and more information can put together something we all can learn from. The whole thing happened very quickly, so I don't put much weight on no 'mayday' being a significant marker.
I'm thinking maybe structural failure of the tailplane as a reason for a descent like this. Horrific whatever it was. RIP
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I’ve been thinking the same thing. It’s one of the older examples out there. Turbulence can cause all of sorts of stresses. The Gen 1 cirrus does not have detachable wings, which is the reason why until later on that they were all flown to Australia from the USA, so it sounds unlikely that a wing fell off. The tail section (elevator?) is a different story, but this would surely be the first ever based on previous readings. Short of a spin or missing tail section, there aren’t that many ways to get a 1.5t aircraft from that altitude to the ground in such a short space of time.
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It’s good to discuss it. Since yesterday, 2 pilots have mentioned to me that they will better brief their children on the use of CAPS as they are a similar age. Even for my own learning I didn’t know it would take 2 hands of a 10 year old and a “chin up” on the handle to get it to deploy,
the press does not consider themselves a rumor network and charges the reader for content that when it comes to aviation matters, is rarely better than (mis)informed speculation and supposition - with a scattering of “facts”.
there’s your irony.
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I’ve been thinking the same thing. It’s one of the older examples out there. Turbulence can cause all of sorts of stresses. The Gen 1 cirrus does not have detachable wings, which is the reason why until later on that they were all flown to Australia from the USA, so it sounds unlikely that a wing fell off. The tail section (elevator?) is a different story, but this would surely be the first ever based on previous readings. Short of a spin or missing tail section, there aren’t that many ways to get a 1.5t aircraft from that altitude to the ground in such a short space of time.
Could a chute deploy in normal flight and get tangled in the tail?
Is it possible someone pulled the chute when the Pilot wasn’t ready or watching?
What happens in a Cirrus when you pull the chute at cruise speed? It wouldn’t be too good at high speed would it?
What happens in a Cirrus when you pull the chute at cruise speed? It wouldn’t be too good at high speed would it?
No, it wouldn’t.
In this event the BRS folks determined that the system was deployed above 133kts IAS.
In this event, this year, a witness reported that nearly 6 minutes after the impact of the aircraft, an empty parachute could be seen descending through the clouds.
The event database includes a couple of ‘on ground’ deployments attributable to nearby storms and static electricity.
In this event the BRS folks determined that the system was deployed above 133kts IAS.
In this event, this year, a witness reported that nearly 6 minutes after the impact of the aircraft, an empty parachute could be seen descending through the clouds.
The event database includes a couple of ‘on ground’ deployments attributable to nearby storms and static electricity.
Peter Nally has been identified as the pilot.
A very good guy who founded the Brisbane Flying Group over 30 years ago. A very keen and knowledgeable pilot who I’ve known since the ‘90’s
RIP Peter and your loving grandchildren
A very good guy who founded the Brisbane Flying Group over 30 years ago. A very keen and knowledgeable pilot who I’ve known since the ‘90’s
RIP Peter and your loving grandchildren
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