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Fresh Grade 3 Instructor with $120,000 debt. Driving street sweepers...

Old 16th Mar 2021, 20:38
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As an Australian tax payer - perhaps it's my $120k debt, not theirs...
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Old 16th Mar 2021, 21:11
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Originally Posted by Checkboard
She probably was good at the job, and lacked a sexist chip on her shoulder.
Oh 100% that's what it was :eyeroll:
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Old 17th Mar 2021, 00:00
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Bloody Chinese Virus...

driftking92 - Hang in there, you are not alone. The reality is that the aviation industry has been decimated. The inertia of the recovery will be exponentially longer than the short term it took to destroy commercial aviation. There WILL be a recovery, of that, I am certain. How am I certain? Vaccines are being distributed, (albeit slowly), there is nothing else we, as humans can do now to fight the virus. People will travel again, it is just the time frame, that is uncertain. As for work, well done on getting a job. About 2500 yes, 2 and a half thousand, of my colleagues in EK were made redundant, or given 12 months unpaid leave. It has taken 6 months for some of them to find work (non aviation related). When I came back to Oz, I did my Multi eng instructor rating, (I was already a lapsed gr 2), and while I was at the flying school, I was surprised at how many young men and women were doing their Commercial training. The reality is, the market is now flooded with highly experienced pilots. This is not your fault, so, try to look on the bright side, you have your instructor rating, you have work. Eventually, the market will stabilise, airlines, will expand as the post covid recovery gets underway, and you will be ready to dust off your rating and begin the upward ladder climb again. I assume you are a 92 vintage, if so you have decades of fulfilling flying ahead of you. Hang in there mate.
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Old 17th Mar 2021, 00:21
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Originally Posted by gulliBell
And what did she have that the guys didn't have to land her the only job?
Timing? Luck? Experience? A particular personality? It could be anything so how about we don't go down that route automatically?
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Old 17th Mar 2021, 02:20
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We have a 777 captain , pumping fuel around a GA airport in QLD 🤔
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Old 17th Mar 2021, 03:11
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Originally Posted by ersa
We have a 777 captain , pumping fuel around a GA airport in QLD 🤔
I had CX A350 pilot working as a Contact Tracer for the NSW Government call me recently.

It's all about putting food on the table
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Old 17th Mar 2021, 05:40
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Originally Posted by driftking92
..Thanks for reading and any input will be useful...
Here's telling you straight. You won't get a flying job any time soon. One in your class did, so good luck to her. When you eventually do get an entry flying job it won't pay much, and paying off the training loan will eat into whatever income you make.

Your here and now option is this. Learn a trade. For example, roof tilers are getting $1000+ per day, and as far as I know you don't need to complete a three year apprenticeship for that. You will never earn $1,000/day as a flight instructor in GA. You might find that sort of money with 20+ years experience as a pilot. In the meantime, laying roof tiles and setting ridge caps will earn you good money.
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Old 17th Mar 2021, 09:29
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Count yourself lucky that someone or some government would loan you 120k. In my day we had to work and pay up front for licences.
If it’s not 89, it’s the GFC or it’s COVID.
Be a victim or be ready WHEN it turns........
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Old 17th Mar 2021, 20:26
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Originally Posted by driftking92
This is going to be depressing but looking for help on whether my situation is normal or not and what to do.

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1) Totally normal. There has nearly always been a gross oversupply of pilots in Australia.

2) Apart from not allowing yourself to feel victimised and sorry for yourself, there are many, many options. None of them perfect. Decide on a course of action which suits you best. Never get locked into the idea of not leaving Essendon or Melbourne or Victoria or Australia. The best advice I can offer is to look everywhere in the world and I mean everywhere. There is nothing to fear. Really!. Covid travel restrictions will eventually lift, start looking now.

Meantime, your street sweeper gig almost certainly pays more than a bare bones instructor or charter pilot plus they treat you with more respect and dignity than youíll get with most flying jobs.

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Old 20th Mar 2021, 12:24
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Originally Posted by KRviator
Not my current steed, but 'close enough'. The XRN Locomotive cab, in 360*. I've yet to fly anything with a microwave & kettle within arms reach!
KRviator, definitely the smartest pilot in Australia. Looking for any Cabin Crew?
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Old 20th Mar 2021, 23:05
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I know a CX A350 Captain driving a combine harvester and there is even a Facebook group, Pilots4Harvest2020 for those looking for work in the agricultural sector.

There are QF A380 pilots driving buses. https://simpleflying.com/qantas-pilo...80s-for-buses/

Aviation will recover over the next few years, hang in there.
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Old 20th Mar 2021, 23:30
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Originally Posted by Pastor of Muppets
Count yourself lucky that someone or some government would loan you 120k. In my day we had to work and pay up front for licences.
If itís not 89, itís the GFC or itís COVID.
Be a victim or be ready WHEN it turns........
100%

Current generations have NFI how good they have it. Something earned always has more value than something given. Separates the wheat from the chaff and all that....
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Old 21st Mar 2021, 00:37
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Current generations have NFI how good they have it
Made me think of all those lads at the end of WWII who knew nothing except how to fly and were competing for the few cockpit jobs available.
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Old 21st Mar 2021, 01:04
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Made me think of all those lads at the end of WWII who knew nothing except how to fly and were competing for the few cockpit jobs available.
Megan; That comment made me think of my Late Father's experience at Demob, of which he told me a few times over the years
As he passed down a line going through the final procedures for leaving the RAAF in around mid '46 there were a few Men standing right at the end of the queue asking each Pilot if they wanted 'a career in the Airlines.'

Dad said that he was thinking about it but abruptly changed his mind when the bloke immediately ahead of him replied to the questioner and in a loud voice, "Shove it up your a**e!"

Dad later often wondered if he should have taken up the offer.

Aparrently the bloke in question had had more than enough of flying. Dad seemed to remember that he had a few 'gongs' on his uniform.
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Old 21st Mar 2021, 01:35
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What to do, what to do? Is it just me or does anyone else wonder why people don't ask these questions before spending $120,000 of other people's money? Sure I understand the vision of sitting up front of a big shiny jet trumps the reality that very few ever make it to that, together with flying schools with management trained in the used car industry. Biggest culprit by far is any government that is a willing participant in such a ludicrous scheme for an industry that can't properly and fairly employ its current crop of pilots.

Only redeeming fact is by the time these loans are paid back $120,000 won't buy you a good family holiday
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Old 21st Mar 2021, 01:45
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Originally Posted by Pinky the pilot
Megan; That comment made me think of my Late Father's experience at Demob, of which he told me a few times over the years
As he passed down a line going through the final procedures for leaving the RAAF in around mid '46 there were a few Men standing right at the end of the queue asking each Pilot if they wanted 'a career in the Airlines.'

Dad said that he was thinking about it but abruptly changed his mind when the bloke immediately ahead of him replied to the questioner and in a loud voice, "Shove it up your a**e!"

Dad later often wondered if he should have taken up the offer.

Aparrently the bloke in question had had more than enough of flying. Dad seemed to remember that he had a few 'gongs' on his uniform.
My Dad aged 17 decided he wanted to be a pilot and work for an airline here in Australia. It was 1936 and as my Grandfather, a merchant seaman, was away at sea so my Grandmother went to talk about this with her bank manager, all knowing in those days were the bank managers. He apparently told my Grandmother there was no future in aviation and it was just a passing fad so no, he couldn't be a pilot. Maybe the bank manager was right about aviation.
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Old 21st Mar 2021, 03:40
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Originally Posted by megan
Made me think of all those lads at the end of WWII who knew nothing except how to fly and were competing for the few cockpit jobs available.
Yep. And most of them never flew again. Some sickened by the trauma of war, but many pragmatically moved on to other careers.
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Old 21st Mar 2021, 03:48
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Aparrently the bloke in question had had more than enough of flying. Dad seemed to remember that he had a few 'gongs' on his uniform
Gongs didn't come cheap, so he'd have a wealth of stories, more than likely some which he wished he couldn't remember. There was a reason for the limit on the number of missions for bomber crew, for example, RAF 46% killed. Understand his reaction.
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Old 22nd Mar 2021, 00:30
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Originally Posted by Ixixly
Timing? Luck? Experience? A particular personality? It could be anything so how about we don't go down that route automatically?
Funny how itís always the people who are least successful who are the sexist ones. If someone think as woman is employed in aviation simply because they are a woman, they need to take a look at themselves. Itís way harder for females.
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Old 22nd Mar 2021, 00:52
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Originally Posted by deja vu
What to do, what to do? Is it just me or does anyone else wonder why people don't ask these questions before spending $120,000 of other people's money? Sure I understand the vision of sitting up front of a big shiny jet trumps the reality that very few ever make it to that, together with flying schools with management trained in the used car industry. Biggest culprit by far is any government that is a willing participant in such a ludicrous scheme for an industry that can't properly and fairly employ its current crop of pilots.

Only redeeming fact is by the time these loans are paid back $120,000 won't buy you a good family holiday

I've been saying this for years. Then you see the video of the sickening way McCormack sang the praises of the likes of NK and you can see why pollies are allowing this rort to continue, there must be something in it for them. Rather than moan on PPRuNe, we should take this to our local Fed MP, however it's both sides that have been involved in keeping this gravy train going so don't expect they are going to stop it any time soon.
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