Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > The Pacific: General Aviation & Questions
Reload this Page >

Glen Buckley and Australian small business -V- CASA

Wikiposts
Search
The Pacific: General Aviation & Questions The place for students, instructors and charter guys in Oz, NZ and the rest of Oceania.

Glen Buckley and Australian small business -V- CASA

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 27th Apr 2022, 05:39
  #2101 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: melbourne
Age: 58
Posts: 1,105
Received 70 Likes on 36 Posts
Letter to Ombudsman's Office

27/04/22

Ombudsman Office ref 2019-713834erence



To: Catherine, the Reviewing Officer from the Commonwealth Ombudsman’s Office

Mr. Ramzi Jabbour of the Office of the Deputy PM



Dear Catherine of the Commonwealth Ombudsman’s Office,

I am writing to ask you to place a hold on publishing your findings from the three-year investigation into my matter, until the Office of the Deputy PM has had an opportunity to meet with me over coming weeks, to discuss this matter, and my allegations of misfeasance in public office against CASA employee, Mr Jonathan Aleck.

This matter is significant, and it is relevant.

This is effectively a situation where the Commonwealth Ombudsman’s Office is compelled to arrive at a decision and a final report on my matter.

Crucial to that determination is ascertaining the truth based on the information provided by both CASA employee, Mr Aleck and myself.

The truth can easily be ascertained, and it is fair and reasonable that I ask the Ombudsman’s office to make determinations made on truthful advice and accurate representations.

There is the CASA employee, “Mr Aleck version,” and the “Glen Buckley” version. Both differ substantially. Only one representation can possibly be truthful.

I have previously supplied the Ombudsman’s Office with the details of a current and past CASA employee who have offered to tell the truth on this matter. My understanding is that the Ombudsman’s office has chosen not to take advantage of this offer and relied upon the information provided by Mr Aleck only. Had the Office contacted those CASA employee’s significant clarity would have been bought to the investigation.

The two versions are, Mr Jonathan Aleck, an Executive Manager within the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA). The second most senior, and longest serving Executive Manager. A man with two decades of experience within that organisation, and at times during that two decades, acted, as CEO of CASA. A man with impeccable credentials, and despite his industry wide reputation, someone that appears to be a person of substance on a CV. Somebody that the Ombudsman’s Office should be able to depend on.for the provision of truthful information. Mr Aleck yields enormous power within CASA and has been responsible for providing the Ombudsman’s Office with information related to this investigation. Mr Aleck holds extremely high levels of power and authority including the ability to shut down businesses.as he did with mine. He was the decision maker in my matter.

and

Glen Buckley

The person impacted by Mr Alecks decision. Someone who had his two businesses of more than a decade closed down with no prior warning by Mr Alecks change of opinion. A person who lost his home, his savings, and was left destitute. Someone whose physical and mental health has been decimated. My wife and I, have liquid assets of less than $6000 in total. Should my wife or I stop working we would be homeless. Someone whose wife has had a total of four days free of work in over three years, as she desperately tries to save for an uncertain future. A family whose medical decisions are now driven by cost as the only consideration. Irrespective of that impact on me, businesses have closed, staff have lost jobs and entitlements, and suppliers have been left unpaid. The impact of Mr Alecks decision making has been significant.. It seems entirely reasonable that his decisions be subjected to rigorous scrutiny, and most particularly as they are not supported by and safety case.

One of these two individuals, either Mr aleck or myself is responsible for providing substantial and clearly misleading information to the Ombudsman’s Office with the intention of perverting the finding of that investigation. This is not a matter that is reasonable for the Office of the Commonwealth Ombudsman to accept. The information is critical to the investigation, and the findings. Providing ,misleading information to the Ombudsman’s Office is a substantial matter, and not one that should be ignored.

The Ombudsman’s Office has the legal authority to request a “sworn statement or affirmation”. I will call on you to exercise those powers and ask that both I and Mr Aleck be prepared to produce a sworn statement. The request for a sworn statement will immediately identify that one individual is providing misleading information to your Office. If Mr aleck is not prepared to make a sworn statement, it would be reasonable that an approach is made to the CASA CEO, Ms Spence to provide that sworn statement.

The format of the statement or affirmation should include the following important elements.
  • Mr Aleck of CASA asserts that CASA first became aware of Mr Buckley’s business structure some time just prior to October 2018, shortly before they closed it down. Mr Buckley claims that he has a significant body of documented evidence, that in fact CASA first became aware of, and was fully aware of Mr Buckley’s business structure at least 6 years prior to the date that Mr Aleck asserts, and if they were not aware, which I dispute, CASA would have become aware throughout 2016 and 2017 when the business underwent a full revalidation with CASA.
  • Mr Aleck of CASA asserts that CASA had never permitted more than one flying school to operate under a single CASA issued authorisation... Mr Buckley claims that CASA had always permitted more than one flying school to operate under a single CASA issued authorisation.
  • Mr Aleck of CASA asserts that I have breached the “Aviation Ruling” and CAA Section 27(8) of 1988 which states “An AOC is not transferrable.’ Mr Buckley asserts that he has most definitely has not breached the Aviation Ruling or CAA 27(8) of 1988. I assert that I have not breached any regulations, and therefore Mr Aleck closing my business was unlawful.
  • Mr Aleck of asserts that he has followed all due CASA stipulated process. Mr Buckley asserts that Mr Aleck has completely bypassed all procedures that he was required to follow as stipulated in CASAs own manuals. Enforcement Manual (casa.gov.au)
It seems entirely reasonable as the person impacted by CASA Executive Manager Jonathan Alecks decision that these matters be addressed by the Ombudsman’s Office. The role of the Ombudsman’s Office is to inspect the use of departmental powers to ensure those agencies are using their powers as Parliament intended, and if not, to hold those agencies accountable. It is an important community safeguard, and I am asking you to exercise those powers. For complete clarity, my allegation against Mr Aleck is an allegation of misfeasance in public office, an allegation I raised before Parliament as far back as 23/11/20 and can be accessed here,

To date, and after those allegations were first raised with the then Deputy PM, Mr Michael McCormack, there has been no investigation into Mr Alecks conduct. I note your advice in our recent telephone call, that the Ombudsman’s office is unable to investigate an allegation of misfeasance in public office. I accept your guidance on this matter, that I must refer this back to CASAs Industry Complaints Commissioner, and I will do so.

I am asking that the Ombudsman’s report can be withheld until I am availed the opportunity for an investigation into the conduct of Mr Aleck. Should my allegations be upheld, it is reasonable that the Ombudsman’s office would question the truthfulness of the information provided to the office by Mr Aleck, , and that could change the findings arrived at by the Commonwealth Ombudsman’s Office.

I note also that in previous communications, you have suggested that I also should avail myself of the opportunity to contact my Local MP, Ms Gladys Liu. I am a 56-year resident of the electorate of Chisholm and have made multiple requests to Ms Liu to meet with me over the last three years. For reasons not known to me, Ms Liu has been unwilling or unable to meet with me. That option does not appear to be available to me. The Labor candidate for Chisholm, Ms. Carina Garland has committed to meeting with me, but I am unable to move forward on this aspect, unless there is a change at the upcoming election.

Without access to my local MP for assistance, Ms Gladys Liu I am highly dependent on the accuracy of the findings of the Ombudsman’s Office

I am appreciative of the work done to date by your Office, however the findings of the Ombudsman’s Office will be an important document, that will be relied upon, should I not bring this matter to a conclusion by way of a well-intentioned discussion with CASA

Yours respectfully, Glen Buckley




glenb is online now  
Old 29th Apr 2022, 01:02
  #2102 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Australia
Posts: 358
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The political incompetence of Gladys Liu is on full display here - it might cheer you up a bit Glen!

Edit: Seems I can't post a twitter link - also available here (from 1:42:00 to 1:43:25):
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/melbour...drive/13850276

Her incredibly poor showing is being discussed in colourful terms on all social media.

Last edited by Stickshift3000; 29th Apr 2022 at 04:17.
Stickshift3000 is offline  
Old 29th Apr 2022, 01:22
  #2103 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Australia/India
Posts: 5,287
Received 419 Likes on 209 Posts
"Let's get back to you on that one." Yeah; nah, Gladys.

We all know why Scotty doesn't want a Federal corruption investigation body with any independence and teeth. And we'll see about Labor's real intentions, if it wins power. Both have very smelly skeletons in the closet.
Lead Balloon is offline  
Old 29th Apr 2022, 01:39
  #2104 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Coal Face
Posts: 1,296
Received 332 Likes on 126 Posts
Originally Posted by Stickshift3000
The political incompetence of Gladys Liu is on full display here - it might cheer you up a bit Glen!

Edit: Seems I can't post a twitter link - also available here (from 1:42:00 to 1:43:25):
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/melbour...drive/13850276
But it's 350 pages long! By that measure the regs need to be beefed up a bit.
Chronic Snoozer is offline  
Old 6th May 2022, 09:18
  #2105 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: moon
Posts: 3,564
Received 89 Likes on 32 Posts
How are you keeping Glen?
Sunfish is offline  
Old 16th May 2022, 04:24
  #2106 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: New Zealand
Age: 71
Posts: 1,475
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Here is a good example of some AAT shenanigans in SA. Although not linked to Glen’s case, it shows how Governments meddle with reviews and appeals when they don’t get things their way. The Westminster system is corrupt and has been manipulated into a tool of negligence, obsfucation and deceit by all Political parties. You don’t like the umpire? Fine, sideline him until you get an umpire that ensures any points scored are not scored against you! Glen is a brave man, balls the size of watermelons. But he is dealing with a Government and one of its bureaucratic agencies, and no politician, department CEO or Secretary is going to allow Glen to run a wrecking ball through their rice bowl.

https://amp.theguardian.com/australi...nst-government
Paragraph377 is offline  
Old 18th May 2022, 13:37
  #2107 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2022
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Hi Glen,

I'm in your electorate and I received your letter in my mailbox today. I read a decent chunk of this forum thread and watched one of the videos (the senate one).

What a huge miscarriage of justice. I hope you're holding up okay.

-M
mission3 is offline  
Old 19th May 2022, 06:49
  #2108 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: melbourne
Age: 58
Posts: 1,105
Received 70 Likes on 36 Posts
Sunfish, Paragraph, Mission

Sunfish, I appreciate you asking how I was travelling and sorry for the delay, I've been off Pprune for a bit. Still fighting away but in the background. Paragraph, great to see you back.
Mission. Thanks for taking the time to post. With the support of friends and neighbors I have got thousands, and i mean many thousands of these brochures throughout the electorate of Chisholm. I hope its enough to hold Gladys Liu accountable and have a change of Local MP. The feedback from recipients of the email drop has been very encouraging.

I did also get up to the AOPO organized May Day in Sydney. I was a bit anxious getting back amongst an aviation crowd, but it was very rewarding to get the support. There is no doubt that Senator Rex Patrick is well intentioned, and an advocate of the industry.

I have been in communication with the Deputy PMs Department and believe that an appropriate person has been allocated to my matter by the Deputy PM. That gentleman has a background at the very highest levels of the Police. I am extremely confident that he will be able to expedite this matter, although his continuing role in the Deputy PMs department is depends on which Party governs after this Saturday.

Hope to get back ojn tomorrow or the day after, cheers. Glen.
glenb is online now  
Old 19th May 2022, 09:59
  #2109 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Location: tossbagville
Posts: 795
Received 176 Likes on 102 Posts
Well, I don't think there's a bigger dipsh!t MP than Glady's Liu. As thick as two planks.
tossbag is offline  
Old 22nd May 2022, 06:58
  #2110 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 112
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Good bye Gladys
barleyhi is offline  
Old 22nd May 2022, 15:53
  #2111 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Sandgroper
Posts: 64
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Hopefully the federal ICAC is implemented soon and this BS can be sorted once and for all, among other cases.

Hopefully it has teeth to put those found guilty of criminal corruption behind bars. But even so, that does not bring back years stolen by such misconduct.

I bet the paper shredder in the CASA offices are running flat out and the 'corruption' of computer files on cloud servers has begun already!

​​​​​​it may have been a long wait - but hopefully those few at CASA will finally have to answer for what they have done..

​​​
​​
Sbaker is offline  
Old 22nd May 2022, 20:55
  #2112 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: moon
Posts: 3,564
Received 89 Likes on 32 Posts
Glen now probably has to start again with a new minister who will know nothing about his case but what CASA will tell her.
Sunfish is offline  
Old 22nd May 2022, 21:10
  #2113 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: melbourne
Age: 58
Posts: 1,105
Received 70 Likes on 36 Posts
The impact of the election result

I have been off air over the last month as i dedicated myself to raising awareness of my matter in the electorate of Chisholm, in the lead up to the election.

In the last week of the election, and with the assistance of neighbors and friends I managed to letterbox drop 14,700 brochures into letterboxes. The content is cut and pasted below.

I was at the train stations in the mornings handing out leaflets, on two humorous occasions right beside Gladys Liu at Glen Waverley train station.

Anyway, I'm pleased to say that I may have had some impact. Whilst i cant claim credit for her getting ousted, I can certainly say i played my part.

A bit immature really, but at about 4AM on Sunday morning, i sent her an email offering the services of my sons truck if she needs any assistance moving out.

Federally the change of Government is a mixed bag. I now have Ms. Carina Garland as my local MP, and i have had the opportunity to meet with her briefly. I am confident she will assist me going forward, and i hope to write to her soon.

The individual who contacted me from Barnaby Joyce's Office and was taking on the matter was actually a previous Deputy Commissioner of the Australian Federal police. I spoke to him on the phone, and was confident that I had finally got through to the correct person., Unfortunately with the change of Government his role will cease.

Regarding the community support i received it was overwhelming. I have been in the community for 55 years, so have had the opportunity to meet a lot of people. I had two people approach me, offering support while i was voting and didn't even know who they were..

At one stage Gladys was handing out brochures as voters came down the line. I crept in behind Gladys and piped up with "' A 55 year resident of Chisholm, please read my experience with Gladys Liu before you decide who to vote for today". well you should have seen her as she swung her head to see me right near her. Priceless.

I was then approached by the site manager from AEC and she asked me to move on. I assured her that I wouldn't be a problem, and that my material was my own experience rather than a political message. I gave her a copy which she took off to be decided upon. Ten minutes later she came back to advise that i could hand it out at the front of the school but not inside.

Set myself up the front and a Liberal guy came over and asked what my problem was, and I explained that I had been trying to get a meeting with Gladys for three years.

He advised me that she was there, and that he could get me a meeting now. I acted surprised. "nooo, you mean Gladys is here". He was so happy. to confirm that he could take me to her right now. "oh that would be awesome if you could do that" I responded.

So he proudly took me back to where Channel Nine were setting up to interview her. This second time her look was even more priceless than priceless, although she spoke in Chinese to a couple of her staff, and they moved me back out the front, for a while until I left to watch my sons footy game.

Cheers. Glen
glenb is online now  
Old 22nd May 2022, 23:14
  #2114 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: moon
Posts: 3,564
Received 89 Likes on 32 Posts
Cold comfort, but with what is likely to come for GA, you may one day reflect that you are lucky to be already out of it.
Sunfish is offline  
Old 23rd May 2022, 00:26
  #2115 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Victoria Australia
Age: 82
Posts: 300
Received 77 Likes on 36 Posts
New government

Originally Posted by Sunfish
Cold comfort, but with what is likely to come for GA, you may one day reflect that you are lucky to be already out of it.
Amen to that, although with hope springing in the first flush perhaps Glen will achieve some justice. Certainly there’s those of us that will be making very chastising statements about Glen’s case.

There’s no doubt that many MPs have not given sufficient weight to their duty of representing individual constituents. I’ve had personal experience from the Department of Immigration of bald faced lying which cost me $$, and even after the lie was exposed by incontrovertible evidence I’ve still not been recompensed.

This is Canberra I’m sorry to say and the solution is not yet another independent Commonwealth body, independent like CASA, some sort of commission to deal with ‘corruption.’

We need more people like Glen involved in the political process be it polling day, engaging with MPs, and joining political parties to push for a better and more accessible court system or funding and leadership in the AFP. Just spending the Commonwealth’s annual $45 million Ombudsman budget on our traditional justice system would do far more good than trying to graft the European inquisitorial system onto the British system.

Sandy Reith is offline  
Old 23rd May 2022, 01:50
  #2116 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Rockhampton
Posts: 262
Likes: 0
Received 8 Likes on 2 Posts
Glen, a very generous offer indeed to help with her removal expenses

Of course she will have declined your offer; according to various print media, Gladys has a multi million $$ portfolio of very desirable properties in Queensland. I'm guessing she has minions, minor functionaries and assorted underlings to assist in moving house.
Office Update is offline  
Old 23rd May 2022, 02:42
  #2117 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: melbourne
Age: 58
Posts: 1,105
Received 70 Likes on 36 Posts
The "flyer" referred to in post #2114

A 55-year residents personal and unsatisfactory experience with Ms Gladys Liu, the Liberal Representative.

The Morrison Government has broken its promise on a Federal ICAC (Anti -corruption Commission).Leading into an election this is what can only be described as massive policy failure.

My name is Glen Buckley, I have no political allegiances whatsoever. The truth is that throughout my 55 years in this electorate, I have voted Liberal more often than any other Party. I voted for Ms. Gladys Liu at the last election, I will not be doing so this election, and I urge you to consider my matter in your decision making come election day. Ms Glady Liu has clearly failed to represent me.

In October 2018, a single Government Employee decided that my business was operating illegally and shut it down, effective immediately. The business had been operating for more than a decade.

That action resulted in me losing my two businesses, my home, and my health. It left me bankrupt. I still reside in the electorate, but now in a rental property. If either my wife or I were to stop work, we would be homeless. That is the truth, and it is inevitable that at some stage in the future we will be confronting that situation. I have been left destitute.

Despite all that, the greatest burden I carry is for all the people that were impacted by this. That includes other businesses dependant on me that were forced into closure, the staff who lost their jobs and entitlements, the Suppliers that were left unpaid, and the customers who were impacted.

A subsequent investigation by the Commonwealth Ombudsman found that the Government Employee had no legal basis for that decision. I am unable to fund a legal case, so I am seeking an Act of Grace Payment from the Government for that wrongdoing.

I am not seeking any compensation for the impact on me, but I am seeking a payment to ensure that everyone impacted by this action i.e., staff, customers, and suppliers are paid what they are owed.

Since October 2018, I have been seeking a meeting with Ms Gladys Liu to seek her assistance in pursuing that Act of Grace Payment, and as my elected representative of Chisholm she is the appropriate person to approach.

For more than three years, Ms Gladys Liu the current Member for Chisholm has failed to even meet with me, despite multiple written requests. She has been of absolutely no assistance at all. I was born in Chisholm and have spent my entire 56 years here. I plan to die here. I have pleaded for her assistance, and she has completely ignored me.

Whilst I seek no assistance from you directly in my matter. I do want to inform you, that from my own personal experience I have found that Ms Gladys Liu has completely ignored my very reasonable pleas for assistance. There have been multiple requests made to her. The truth is that had she met with me three years ago when I requested her assistance, this entire matter could have been avoided.

I urge you to consider that in your decision making come election day. You will be presented with many options. Please consider those carefully. You too, may need the support of your Local Member at some stage in the future, like I did. Please choose someone that you feel will clearly represent you. I would appreciate any support you can offer by making your neighbours and friends aware of my experience with Ms. Gladys Liu.

For transparency, and as evidence of my claims, the entire matter can be accessed via the following link.. Glen Buckley and Australian small business -V- CASA - PPRuNe Forums This forum has had almost 1,000,000 views and thousands of comments. For expediency I would direct you to Post #2039 on page 102 of that forum, where the two magazine articles, provide a 10-minute overview.

Thank you for taking the time to read this, please choose carefully on election day. The Seat of Chisholm is one of Australia’s most marginal seats. Your vote is important. Choose whichever candidate it is that you believe will best represent you. You are entitled to it, as I should have been.

Safe travels. Cheers. Glen. Email: [email protected]
glenb is online now  
Old 23rd May 2022, 02:49
  #2118 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: melbourne
Age: 58
Posts: 1,105
Received 70 Likes on 36 Posts
responses to my leeterbox drop

Whilst the level of support i received from my letterbox drop was overwhelming and I received many emails, it was inevitable that i would upset someone. Whilst i wont post all the emails on here, i will post two. The one negative that i received, and respectfully and apologetically responded to, and another one that showed just how effective an approach can be.

One of the positive emails.Hi Glen,

I got your letter in my mailbox recently.

And unlike many other election related junk mails, this one was particularly relatable.

I have read the summaries that you have provided on the PPRUNE forum, and I have to say that I am very disappointed in the way CASA managed this. The whole inconsistency between the different certificate management teams is just appalling.

As someone who is currently going through my early phases of my flight training (currently on RPL, then PPL), it really doesn't give me much confidence in CASA and the general aviation industry going forward.

I will definitely not vote for the liberal representative this time around.

I just want to thank you for raising awareness on this matter, and I really do hope that there are others who have read this and become more aware of the poor governing bodies we have elected into the system.

Regards XXXXXX

and to the one negative email i received





Glen,

I received your letter in my letter box today. Three things jumped out at me about it.

1. First, you actually had the courage to put your name on it. Well done!

2. I am continually surprised at people’s assumption that I could care less what they think. If I ever do, I would like the courtesy of them waiting for me to ask for their view.

3. More than anything, I am just plain staggered that so many people, you in this instance, believe they should share with me their view of what I should do (i.e. in your case “don’t vote for Gladys Liu”). Not only that, you took the time to type a whole page, print who knows how many copies and then walked around the streets delivering it. Seriously staggering!

I am happy for you to think whatever you like, and to do whatever you want (as long as it is legal and you don’t hurt people)………just stop telling me what I should do.

Vote for Gladys, don’t vote for Gladys, don’t vote at all…….I could seriously not care less. Just keep it to yourself, please.

I really gotta get a sign on my letterbox saying “no advertising material, no political material, no selfish diatribes telling me what to think or do, only letters personally addressed to me”…….and most times they are crap to.

Good luck with your crusade. I think you are going to get what you want, just please don’t think you need to share your joy with me.
glenb is online now  
Old 23rd May 2022, 04:08
  #2119 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: New Zealand
Age: 71
Posts: 1,475
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by glenb
Whilst the level of support i received from my letterbox drop was overwhelming and I received many emails, it was inevitable that i would upset someone. Whilst i wont post all the emails on here, i will post two. The one negative that i received, and respectfully and apologetically responded to, and another one that showed just how effective an approach can be.

One of the positive emails.Hi Glen,

I got your letter in my mailbox recently.

And unlike many other election related junk mails, this one was particularly relatable.

I have read the summaries that you have provided on the PPRUNE forum, and I have to say that I am very disappointed in the way CASA managed this. The whole inconsistency between the different certificate management teams is just appalling.

As someone who is currently going through my early phases of my flight training (currently on RPL, then PPL), it really doesn't give me much confidence in CASA and the general aviation industry going forward.

I will definitely not vote for the liberal representative this time around.

I just want to thank you for raising awareness on this matter, and I really do hope that there are others who have read this and become more aware of the poor governing bodies we have elected into the system.

Regards XXXXXX

and to the one negative email i received





Glen,

I received your letter in my letter box today. Three things jumped out at me about it.

1. First, you actually had the courage to put your name on it. Well done!

2. I am continually surprised at people’s assumption that I could care less what they think. If I ever do, I would like the courtesy of them waiting for me to ask for their view.

3. More than anything, I am just plain staggered that so many people, you in this instance, believe they should share with me their view of what I should do (i.e. in your case “don’t vote for Gladys Liu”). Not only that, you took the time to type a whole page, print who knows how many copies and then walked around the streets delivering it. Seriously staggering!

I am happy for you to think whatever you like, and to do whatever you want (as long as it is legal and you don’t hurt people)………just stop telling me what I should do.

Vote for Gladys, don’t vote for Gladys, don’t vote at all…….I could seriously not care less. Just keep it to yourself, please.

I really gotta get a sign on my letterbox saying “no advertising material, no political material, no selfish diatribes telling me what to think or do, only letters personally addressed to me”…….and most times they are crap to.

Good luck with your crusade. I think you are going to get what you want, just please don’t think you need to share your joy with me.
Sadly, a typical display of the “couldn’t give a ****” attitude that we see everywhere in Australia today. Whoever that person is Glen, I would like to see what they have to say if their house gets broken into, a relative gets assaulted, or their employer screws them over. It would be a different story then. Anyway, the Pentecostal PM and Beetroot Head have been sidelined. You now have Albo and DPM Marles to deal with. As Albo said in one interview - tick tock tick tock.
Paragraph377 is offline  
Old 24th May 2022, 11:09
  #2120 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2022
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by glenb
Good luck with your crusade. I think you are going to get what you want, just please don’t think you need to share your joy with me.
Yet they took the time to read the whole letter, open their e-mail and write a response.

They could have just put it in the recycling.
mission3 is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.