Avalon & ramp checks
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They did however, look at me like I was a weird person when I asked them if they had anything like an ASIC. He asked why I would want that, I explained to him that it has halted all aviation related terrorist attacks, stopped any unauthorised access at aerodromes particularly in places like Warrnambool and is the most respected ID in all of Australia. He wasn't convinced of this. He said he'd much prefer the freedoms he enjoyed than a useless ID card. I couldn't believe that he held the ASIC in complete contempt, I feel so safe and secure that I sleep with it around my neck
Neither are we convinced. But I do like the extra safety precautions your use by sleeping with it around your neck. It is a bullet proof shield. I have proven this as nothing in my backpack where it is stored has ever been shot, even by me. Outstanding protection for so little as $2 a week.
As for overly aggressive FOI's, just pack up your stuff and tell them you have their name and details, you have the conversation recorded "for quality and coaching purposes" and leave. Then get straight on the phone and report them. He who phones in first wins
so be on the front foot. Take the moral high ground. If they are nice friendly folk, and probably the 80/20 rule will apply, show them the required stuff, keep doing your tie down/unpacking while talking to them, make sure they know they are not slowing you down and you are not slowing them down. Refuse to allow them to take photos etc, and when you are done retrieve your stuff, lock it in your plane shake their hand and wish them a good day.
Any bullying refer to the recorded conversation statement above and move on. If you are a criminal they will need the police to arrest you.
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Just recalled a story of a mate of mine, arrived in Roma with a business associate for some meetings. Parks the Bonanza, gets out gear etc and some FOI's approach and they started getting pushy.......picked the wrong guy. My mate is no fool on legalities etc, but chose to point them in the direction of his passenger, saying something of the effect, if you have anything further to say, talk to him because he will use it against you in a court of law. You take your chances.
The passenger was a keen sportsman......of law. Seems they declined after their first question that was over the line
Everyone parted on good terms and without further harassment involved.
The passenger was a keen sportsman......of law. Seems they declined after their first question that was over the line
Everyone parted on good terms and without further harassment involved.
Its a contentious issue. While there are friendly smiles, remember there are also smiling assassins. The bully boys and power freaks do exist. !! Believe me.
You do not have to say anything, or give over any document that may (or may not) have anything in it that may incriminate yourself.
If they ask for your log book or MR to take away you must first get from CAsA in writing a 301 ?demand for same. But of course the above still applies...no self incrimination. You have the right to remain silent.
It is imperative with any 'interaction' with a CAsA 'delegate' to be pleasant and show the required documents only.
DO note at all times date, time, names of all CAsA persons and witnesses etc Any notes, video or sound recording could be a life saver at a late date if things go pear-shaped with an unhappy follow up.
While PPLs etc in their training get heaps of info, imho there should be a document available to make these newbies aware of the pitfalls of talking too much, volunteering info... and NOT keeping any record of the CAsA AWI, FOI visit.
CAsA does it it spades for themselves..CYA 101. So you MUST protect yourself by every means possible.
As for photographing docs. Isnt that a like getting a copy without a 301 demand.?
And what about when they ask to look in /search the interior...they must have a reason, and does this require a search warrant?
Because the lay man doesnt fully know the law, they abuse the law....with impunity.
Its not just lowering cloud and rising terrain that is dangerous in aviation !
You do not have to say anything, or give over any document that may (or may not) have anything in it that may incriminate yourself.
If they ask for your log book or MR to take away you must first get from CAsA in writing a 301 ?demand for same. But of course the above still applies...no self incrimination. You have the right to remain silent.
It is imperative with any 'interaction' with a CAsA 'delegate' to be pleasant and show the required documents only.
DO note at all times date, time, names of all CAsA persons and witnesses etc Any notes, video or sound recording could be a life saver at a late date if things go pear-shaped with an unhappy follow up.
While PPLs etc in their training get heaps of info, imho there should be a document available to make these newbies aware of the pitfalls of talking too much, volunteering info... and NOT keeping any record of the CAsA AWI, FOI visit.
CAsA does it it spades for themselves..CYA 101. So you MUST protect yourself by every means possible.
As for photographing docs. Isnt that a like getting a copy without a 301 demand.?
And what about when they ask to look in /search the interior...they must have a reason, and does this require a search warrant?
Because the lay man doesnt fully know the law, they abuse the law....with impunity.
Its not just lowering cloud and rising terrain that is dangerous in aviation !
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Perhaps it would be useful if you read this...
https://www.casa.gov.au/file/139106/...token=LFhtv8td
Then ask yourself why these powers are granted by Regulation (scrutinised by Executive Govt) and are not contained in the Act (scrutinised by Parliament).
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https://www.casa.gov.au/file/139106/...token=LFhtv8td
Then ask yourself why these powers are granted by Regulation (scrutinised by Executive Govt) and are not contained in the Act (scrutinised by Parliament).
Kaz
Aah yes ...the Enforcement Manual.
The "investigation" protocols therein that are ignored as it suits themselves when they're on a mission.
A bit like the joke doc CAsA "Code of Conduct" (sic...very sick) which means JS to the control freak boys and girls.
The "investigation" protocols therein that are ignored as it suits themselves when they're on a mission.
A bit like the joke doc CAsA "Code of Conduct" (sic...very sick) which means JS to the control freak boys and girls.
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Best piss takes I ever saw of the ASIC was one attached to a sweatband and worn in the middle of the forehead like one of those hands free torches.
Another a guy had a photocopy printed on the front of a tee shirt, on the back was a hand raised in the middle finger salute.
Another a guy had a photocopy printed on the front of a tee shirt, on the back was a hand raised in the middle finger salute.
I flew in on the Sunday, no sign of ramp checks but I did see a CASA alcohol and other drug tester wandering amongst spectators on Friday.
Rough strip - vibration twirled one of the latches so door partially opened.
Rough strip - vibration twirled one of the latches so door partially opened.
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.. except that philosophy will be type (ie loading arm set) dependent and may not work out as you expect. However, the thought means well.
If you have load rules, then you should be covered by sticking to them.
If you have a do it yourself system, you should be able to come up with a few sample loadings to cover the reasonable range of loads for your particular aircraft.
Main thing is that you need to tick the CAO 20.16 regulatory boxes so that you can keep yourself sweet for the ramp check ..
If you have load rules, then you should be covered by sticking to them.
If you have a do it yourself system, you should be able to come up with a few sample loadings to cover the reasonable range of loads for your particular aircraft.
Main thing is that you need to tick the CAO 20.16 regulatory boxes so that you can keep yourself sweet for the ramp check ..
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That's an absolute crakka 
I better strap it to the bedside table in future! As for ramp checks, none yet only a frumpy guy in his vehicle (lights flashing of course!!) asking me what the wx was doing and this was well after landing while walking back to the hangar. He had no clue what I was flying or where I had been but seemed satisfied that I and Mrs Gearup3reds had our ASIC's (y), high vis and knew what the local forecast was.
I better strap it to the bedside table in future! As for ramp checks, none yet only a frumpy guy in his vehicle (lights flashing of course!!) asking me what the wx was doing and this was well after landing while walking back to the hangar. He had no clue what I was flying or where I had been but seemed satisfied that I and Mrs Gearup3reds had our ASIC's (y), high vis and knew what the local forecast was.
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the two dummy load sheets for his particular aircraft
One trusts that was the case. My point was that the resulting statement is not all encompassing and general .. hence my caveat.
One trusts that was the case. My point was that the resulting statement is not all encompassing and general .. hence my caveat.
