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Old 21st Feb 2018, 09:24
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Xeptu; I assume that your post was not directed at me, but at Leady.
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Old 21st Feb 2018, 09:28
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yes pinky you would be correct and anyone else that understands the purpose
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Old 21st Feb 2018, 21:42
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I'm with Xeptu 100%. Pilot had never been in a Kingair sim, and was quoted as saying he didn't need to. First full on failure happened in the aircraft. Unsat
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Old 21st Feb 2018, 22:02
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Originally Posted by Trevor the lover
Pilot had never been in a Kingair sim, and was quoted as saying he didn't need to. First full on failure happened in the aircraft.
... and what was that failure ?
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 00:34
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.... and what was that failure: A Crew Seat Malfunction. The aircraft was airborne for 9 seconds, the takeoff roll was about 15 seconds from a rolling start and appears to be mostly limited to no control right from the start. Without seat rail stops those crew seats can roll back a long way. The most likely culprit is that the crew seat collapsed and was too low or the locking mechanism failed and rolled back too far for effective control.
This statement is pure speculation, but fits the sequence of events
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 01:05
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So he hit full power and the seat went back and for the next 15 + 9 seconds he was trying to reach the controls and the pedals, the aircraft took off, gear still down, nobody flying and yet he could happily reach the PTT to give a 5 second mayday?

Somewhat fanciful.

Surely you would pull power immediately in said scenario?
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 01:21
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The entire event is somewhat fanciful, but it happened. Surely you would do a lot of things if you could. Not much point pulling power levers once airborne, if he ever did get within reach distance.
I'm not saying this is what happened, it's merely a plausible explanation.
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 01:51
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It's not all that plausible to be honest. Hitting runway lights and continuing to takeoff smells to me more like someone IN control versus out of control, under an assumption that hitting the lights may not have been noticed by the pilot which is plausible. The deviation could be for any number of reasons which the pilot then believed were not significant enough to have aborted.

You could keep guessing all day and still be way off....
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 05:16
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Originally Posted by Trevor the lover
Pilot had never been in a Kingair sim, and was quoted as saying he didn't need to.
Curious as to how many Kingair drivers out there have actually done sim time though?

DF.
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 05:38
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Literally heaps of it, and the sim is very busy.

Donít know why anyone would want to fly something like a King Air without doing any sim training, even if it is legal. Itís not really a ďsimpleĒ aeroplane.
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 05:57
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Xeptu, as Stick said, if he could reach the PTT, he could reach the controls, your idea doesn't hold water.
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 06:00
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There was a runway excursion to the left, having entered from the right on a 45 metre wide runway in this class of aircraft is eyebrow raising in itself, there were at least two propeller strikes, (two runway lights down 60 metres apart), yet the takeoff was continued. Upon becoming airborne there was no attempt to fly the aircraft, the gear was not retracted, the engine was not shutdown and the propeller was not feathered. The pilot transmitted mayday for 5 of the 9 seconds of airborne time. so the questions remain, why, why and why
Where has this come from??
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 06:00
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.... and what was that failure: A Crew Seat Malfunction. The aircraft was airborne for 9 seconds, the takeoff roll was about 15 seconds from a rolling start
Doesn't fit the mayday calls
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 06:05
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There has been a building on that location at Essendon since at least 1962 when the old DCA hangar was relocated there to serve as home for the Regional Transport Depot.
Don't think so. And don't forget that the end of the runway is nowhere near where it used to be.

There are a number of lawyers looking at this in detail at the moment with a fistfull of FOI requests. I suspect the ATSB initiating separate report on their own initiative suggests that there is a real issue.
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 06:13
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Presumably the transmission would have been in the last 9 seconds, I have a PTT on the boom of my headset, there are a number of other locations one can use other than the control column. I concede though I would be fighting to release myself from the seat, rather than transmitting, "unless" it's all over and you know it. there are a number of live examples of that. "oh here we go" and "I love you mum" are two I remember.
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 06:31
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The buildings were there when I worked at Essendon in the late 60s and again in the early 90s.
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 06:48
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Originally Posted by Old Akro
Don't think so. And don't forget that the end of the runway is nowhere near where it used to be.
Back in 1962 the old DCA hangar was relocated to pretty much the exact location where the DFO development now stands. It was used initially as the Regional Transport Depot and was subsequently occupied by a garbage removal contractor. It was knocked down to make way for the DFO development.
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 08:48
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If there was a galley fitted behind the captains seat the seat couldn’t roll back very far
I’d say the majority of Aus KA drivers haven’t been in a sim but fortunately that’s changing
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 11:15
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Originally Posted by holdingagain
If there was a galley fitted behind the captains seat the seat couldnít roll back very far
Iíd say the majority of Aus KA drivers havenít been in a sim but fortunately thatís changing
Don't even need a galley. They can just have a partition.

Anyway, whilst "possible" I'd put the seat move in a very unlikely category.
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