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Old 31st Mar 2014, 07:40
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Flyboat North: The only people they have said "no" to are direct entry's from GA/Regional, sorry boys it's all over.
Didn't you read what I wrote and what Pilot Breezy wrote as well.

It's cadets that have graduated from the CTC Jetstar cadet programme that have been told, NO WORK FOR YOU AT JETSTAR!!!!!!!!!!

It's not GA/Regional guys that have been told NO.

It might pay to check your facts before you make yourself look stupid, or is that look even more stupid?
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Old 31st Mar 2014, 07:51
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The big bad company betraying people, oh aren't they so horrible , the big bad Qantas company.

No basis in reality my friend , they have not been told that.

All who complete get a job , sometimes with a wait as Jetstar want them to do the 320 endorsement just before line training.

Remember the QF cadets of the 90s , no jobs available as recession commenced , all who graduated were first in when SO hiring did commence. If times turn bad , same will occur.

They are expanding not contracting , 24 commenced this month.

No GA for Jetstar

Go Direct to the Jet - Go Cadet
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Old 31st Mar 2014, 08:42
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So why is the mother of a cadet contacting anyone she can think of that might be able help, saying no job for her Jetstar cadet son and asking help get No. 1 son a job

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Old 31st Mar 2014, 09:01
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Bit of misinformation here.

Latest batch told June start date.

Things have slowed, no direct entry for the year. That could change if they have to match capacity to maintain the cherished 65% line in the sand.

Nothing stopping the cadets getting a charter job while they wait it out.
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Old 31st Mar 2014, 10:19
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Nothing stopping the cadets getting a charter job while they wait it out.
If they're anything like Flyboat North, except their ego and giant chip on their shoulder.
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Old 31st Mar 2014, 10:20
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Nothing stopping the cadets getting a charter job while they wait it out.
Wash your mouth out with soap! You expect a shiny jet cadet to get his hands dirty and fly a grubby old chieftain in the real world...how could you suggest such a horrible undertaking!

This would require using some initiative, washing the plane as well as flying it and making command decisions without a captain babysitting you in the right hand seat. Good one!
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Old 31st Mar 2014, 10:43
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A Jetstar cadet? Getting a job in a company requiring command decisions in aircraft when they've only been prepared to be a Captain's sexual advisor?? Just to fill in time???

Not in my company, not while ever my bum points to the ground!

Been bitten before with cadets, won't go there again!

Go straight to the jet - and read someone else's checklist for at least a decade, and that's the safest place for you...

(Caveat - there may be good cadets out there, but I couldn't be bothered looking!)
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Old 1st Apr 2014, 02:52
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Getting into one of the airline cadetships is tough, and anyone offered a spot is lucky and would be crazy not to grab the opportunity with both hands.
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Old 1st Apr 2014, 03:10
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FBN, you're a little misinformed.

The cadets start out pretty cocky, but they find their place within a couple of years. There is a HUGE difference flying with a cadet vs flying with a pilot that has some sort of flying background. It's generally the big picture stuff, situational awareness etc.

There is a place for cadets. I just don't think it's in the right seat of a jet. They should be cruise FOs for a couple of years, or at least do a regional placement like the QF ones used to. Plenty of regionals would love to have them. Particularly the one that don't pay very well.....
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Old 1st Apr 2014, 03:28
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Well everybody is entitle to their opinion.

But whether you think cadets do or don't belong as Jet FOs is not relevant. Jetstar think they do, and have acted on that to have cadets as FOs , and it is a long term program.

Wouldn't have thought Cobhams would have taken large numbers of "first jet" people over last couple of years, FIFO quite static. GA regional also competing against ADF , as well as expats returning from OS with significant jet time.

Cathay also gone 100% cadet

Grim few years ahead for GA/Regional looking to move on. Qlink stopped processing - nobody is leaving. EU a basket case so no chance for the EU passport holders to move there - easy/ryan - cadet intakes only. The way Jetstar is moving towards here.
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Old 1st Apr 2014, 04:40
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The world and the economics of the RPT industry have changed. The Low Cost Carrier model is here to stay and the new norm. People in the aviation industry who don't recognise this are dinosaurs.

You may not like it, but the LCC economic tide is unstoppable. You are deluded to not recognise this.
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Old 1st Apr 2014, 08:42
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What does the LCC model have to do with whether the pilots are cadet or direct entry?
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Old 2nd Apr 2014, 02:21
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Just got email then, course isn't running for August 2014 intake.
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Old 2nd Apr 2014, 04:51
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^^ Same deal with Virgin. Just got an email that they "Don't anticipate the program to run in 2014/2015. Please visit our website to keep up to date with job openings..."
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hearing that all Feb 2013,Aug 2013 and Feb 2014 cadets will NOT get jobs, Aug 2012 will be the last group to go through with the A320 endo and get jobs . Wonder how Oxford will handle this
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Can confirm ozziejim's comment above.

Even August 2012's are having a hard time, waiting 6-12 months before they're allowed to do their endorsement
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ozziejim: hearing that all Feb 2013,Aug 2013 and Feb 2014 cadets will NOT get jobs, Aug 2012 will be the last group to go through with the A320 endo and get jobs . Wonder how Oxford will handle this
transition_alt: Can confirm ozziejim's comment above.
I'm waiting for someone to jump in and tell us you guys have heard it all wrong. Just like this person said a few posts ago to similar posts.
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Old 2nd Apr 2014, 09:08
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I also imagine that a lot of these cadets will look for other avenues to get a start. Problem is, they haven't likely been trained in relevant aspects of aircraft command and I daresay FBN's attitude is the norm amongst them. Any CP seeing this thread would be concerned about bringing their poison into their company.

Since they have possibly been fed a false dream, won't they have some recourse to get their parent's money back?

Regardless, tomorrow when the out of luck cadets are dreaming of their jet, us in GA will get to go flying, take a look out the window at the spectacular countryside that is Australia, and hopefully reflect positively on why we started flying in the first place!
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Old 2nd Apr 2014, 09:12
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So you are saying that Jetstar have defined what their employment numbers for September 2015 , sure they have.

I doubt this is true.

But if it is the bad news is for GA/Regional people as the priorities for employment at Jetstar are firstly other Qantas group pilots , then cadets then others.

Likely they will place them in Qlink for a period.

If the cadets have to wait a bit longer post grad , then it ain't looking good for turbo-prop dreaming is it ?

Go Direct to the Jet - Go Cadet
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Flyboat North: Likely they will place them in Qlink for a period.
Really???????????

Why would they do that now?

Aren't they Jeststar cadets, not Qantas or QLink cadets?

I must admit I don't know the exact set over there but I'd imagine the QLink companies recruit their own pilots to suit their own operations and wouldn't be taking Jetstar cadets just because they are surplus at Jetstar.
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