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Qantas never offered a job guarantee either , they wanted to see performance.
Over 80 Junior First Officers in Jetstar now , understand the transition rate from cadetship to employment is similar to what the QF program was - around 95%
Virgin only offered a guarantee to raise the middle finger to the QF group cadet programs - micro program anyway - 8 per year.
Very little hope for the 3000 plus regional turboprop pilots in Australia to transition to any airline or FIFO jet job now, same for the RAAF pilots - all squadrons overstocked ATM.
Interesting times I would think in the boom years of 04 to 08 at least 500 and even up to 700 new jet jobs every year. Now less than 100.
No wonder most take a chance to slam cadet programs , always the same old catch cries , "no guarantee of job" , "you will never get a command", "rip off program" - all just no basis in reality.
Think a lot of turboprop dreamers just don't like the idea of a 19 yo, flying a new Airbus & earning over $80K plus , taking "their job"
Suck it up boys - the airlines can hire who they want - maybe many of the GA astronauts they were forced to hire in boom years were a disappointment, and that is why Jetstar began cadetships.
Dream on turboprop , dream on , one day you will be a "jet pilot" in your dreams it will come true
Over 80 Junior First Officers in Jetstar now , understand the transition rate from cadetship to employment is similar to what the QF program was - around 95%
Virgin only offered a guarantee to raise the middle finger to the QF group cadet programs - micro program anyway - 8 per year.
Very little hope for the 3000 plus regional turboprop pilots in Australia to transition to any airline or FIFO jet job now, same for the RAAF pilots - all squadrons overstocked ATM.
Interesting times I would think in the boom years of 04 to 08 at least 500 and even up to 700 new jet jobs every year. Now less than 100.
No wonder most take a chance to slam cadet programs , always the same old catch cries , "no guarantee of job" , "you will never get a command", "rip off program" - all just no basis in reality.
Think a lot of turboprop dreamers just don't like the idea of a 19 yo, flying a new Airbus & earning over $80K plus , taking "their job"
Suck it up boys - the airlines can hire who they want - maybe many of the GA astronauts they were forced to hire in boom years were a disappointment, and that is why Jetstar began cadetships.
Dream on turboprop , dream on , one day you will be a "jet pilot" in your dreams it will come true
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Who cares about the industry. Its all about me! If I get into jetstar I don't have to spend my time with those GA peasants
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and that is why Jetstar began cadetships
There is absolutely no other reason (financial) as to why jetstar takes on cadets. They aren't doing anyone a favour.
"If you have the money, lets talk."
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Jetstar Cadetscam...ship
Right On Deadcut.
I've noticed being in the industry for a couple decades that as GA eroded over the years that Cadetships looked more appealing as GA jobs were fewer/far between with more supply of fresh CPL/MECIR pilots than ever.
Its a shame though that people are willing to take advantage of such passionate people (i.e. pay for endo's, no job commitment, lower than minimum wage) this mindset of new pilots thinking of themselve (and rightly so) combined with managers trying to cope in tougher times or improve their bottom line has ensured this race to the bottom and unfortunately its only going to get worse.
Despite the Cadet benefiting in the short term. Long term this will erode said pilot and does the industry no favors:
Type in "pilots on foodstamps" and you will see what the situation is heading towards!
HR
I've noticed being in the industry for a couple decades that as GA eroded over the years that Cadetships looked more appealing as GA jobs were fewer/far between with more supply of fresh CPL/MECIR pilots than ever.
Its a shame though that people are willing to take advantage of such passionate people (i.e. pay for endo's, no job commitment, lower than minimum wage) this mindset of new pilots thinking of themselve (and rightly so) combined with managers trying to cope in tougher times or improve their bottom line has ensured this race to the bottom and unfortunately its only going to get worse.
Despite the Cadet benefiting in the short term. Long term this will erode said pilot and does the industry no favors:
Type in "pilots on foodstamps" and you will see what the situation is heading towards!
HR
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Jee, these cadet-haters just can't give it a rest can they,.......
As for the 1960/70's QF cadets, don't get me started.
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Well, I just got word from CTC Aviation that Jetstar has put all cadetship programs "on hold," due to the issues within the Qantas Group...
I guess I'll be doing that degree after all.
I guess I'll be doing that degree after all.
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Just another scare I think Mac - the old cry "you will never get a job"
Think of it this way
Think of it this way
- 80 plus former cadets are now flying A320s with Jetstar
- Jetstar unlike Virgin still actually hired DE FOs in Australia during 2013 - about 50
- 22 cadets have just commenced ab-initio equal split between CTC & Oxford
- Jetstar Australia is currently hiring direct entry FOs for Jetstar Australia
- Jetstar still has significant aircraft orders
- Jetstar only tells its flying schools at the very last minute what the requirement for numbers are, the next ab-initio intake is scheduled for start of August this year
- You need to check your facts Jetstar wouldn't do anything right now given they have six months to evaluate developments
- Remember they have been subject of a good deal of "knocking" about this program - this will only make them more determined to make it work, and given 80 are checked to line. At this point in time they have the score on the board.
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probably closer to " if i get the cadetship i can still support my family\ not be completely broke, while getting paid to fly"
but assume the completely selfish perspective if you like
but assume the completely selfish perspective if you like
I'm pretty happy with how my situation has ended up....
I got some G.A hours and went in with about 1700 hrs in 2011 as no direct entry Regional or Airline jobs were going at the time. I had interviews with QL (traineeship) and JQ (cadetship) and chose the latter.
I've got about 2000hrs on the bus and don't owe anyone a cent.... never did. But I got extremely lucky when I started.
I sincerely doubt there will be any further intakes in the next twelve months based on what was presented by our CEO last week. Sorry but I think that window may be closed for a while......
I got some G.A hours and went in with about 1700 hrs in 2011 as no direct entry Regional or Airline jobs were going at the time. I had interviews with QL (traineeship) and JQ (cadetship) and chose the latter.
I've got about 2000hrs on the bus and don't owe anyone a cent.... never did. But I got extremely lucky when I started.
I sincerely doubt there will be any further intakes in the next twelve months based on what was presented by our CEO last week. Sorry but I think that window may be closed for a while......
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Sure you fly for Jetstar ! , and sure the CEO briefs junior FOs , and sure you have all this top secret information.
Actually don't know they took anyone with over 1000 hours on the Jetstar Advanced - that was the cut-off at Oxford. They wanted them as far away from an ATPL as possible - to keep on junior FO rates.
Seeing as though they just started 24 ab-initios as all this QF news was about to unfold (and they knew it all) you would think the future of jetstar cadetships are quite bright.
Noticed to , that apps for DE FOs are also open, expanding fleet etc.
But lets look at the bad side - it will close - there is no guarantee of a job - you never hold an ATPL & be a career FO
Enjoy "flying" your "airbus" mr 1700 hour man
Actually don't know they took anyone with over 1000 hours on the Jetstar Advanced - that was the cut-off at Oxford. They wanted them as far away from an ATPL as possible - to keep on junior FO rates.
Seeing as though they just started 24 ab-initios as all this QF news was about to unfold (and they knew it all) you would think the future of jetstar cadetships are quite bright.
Noticed to , that apps for DE FOs are also open, expanding fleet etc.
But lets look at the bad side - it will close - there is no guarantee of a job - you never hold an ATPL & be a career FO
Enjoy "flying" your "airbus" mr 1700 hour man
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The training providers have no say in how many get selected - Jetstar tells them
For example July 2013 - four commence , March 2014 11 commence at Oxford.
But be very very careful, it is all a big conspiracy, secret deals ,secret commissions - all very very risky
It's a huge risk pay $120K , then in 18 months only a 95% chance of transitioning directly to an A320 Job earning $100K within two years, permanent job. Tread very very carefully, so many tricks , secret business by the big corporations, all very hush hush
You would be much better off going GA , even doing an AV degree at one of the Unis that typically run these programs ranked at around 600 in the world (Ok UNSW is very much the exception). Get the training for 15% less than cadetship at best , then enter the wonderful world of GA, where you will be exploited and get to know the centrelink office very well. At best you will earn $50 K per year over ten years, then you will have the right to apply to Jetstar with competitive time - you will need 4000 TT.
Then out of the 1000s who have applications in maybe you will be one of the exceptionally lucky ones. 2000 turboprop pilots in Australia maybe 50 direct entry jet jobs this year.
Perhaps at best a 20% chance of pulling it off. At this time your cohorts who did the cadetship will have been Capts for five years and earned at least $1 mill more than you.
Go the GA way , must safer , less risk , have that life experience of periods of unemployment, no security. Then when you decide to walk away from it , realize your Av degree and 3000 TT pretty much qualify you for nothing in big wide world.
Don't go the cadet route , the big bad corporations are just all making "secret commissions" from you. No guarantee of job with cadetship only a 95% probability - GA is a much safer bet
For example July 2013 - four commence , March 2014 11 commence at Oxford.
But be very very careful, it is all a big conspiracy, secret deals ,secret commissions - all very very risky
It's a huge risk pay $120K , then in 18 months only a 95% chance of transitioning directly to an A320 Job earning $100K within two years, permanent job. Tread very very carefully, so many tricks , secret business by the big corporations, all very hush hush
You would be much better off going GA , even doing an AV degree at one of the Unis that typically run these programs ranked at around 600 in the world (Ok UNSW is very much the exception). Get the training for 15% less than cadetship at best , then enter the wonderful world of GA, where you will be exploited and get to know the centrelink office very well. At best you will earn $50 K per year over ten years, then you will have the right to apply to Jetstar with competitive time - you will need 4000 TT.
Then out of the 1000s who have applications in maybe you will be one of the exceptionally lucky ones. 2000 turboprop pilots in Australia maybe 50 direct entry jet jobs this year.
Perhaps at best a 20% chance of pulling it off. At this time your cohorts who did the cadetship will have been Capts for five years and earned at least $1 mill more than you.
Go the GA way , must safer , less risk , have that life experience of periods of unemployment, no security. Then when you decide to walk away from it , realize your Av degree and 3000 TT pretty much qualify you for nothing in big wide world.
Don't go the cadet route , the big bad corporations are just all making "secret commissions" from you. No guarantee of job with cadetship only a 95% probability - GA is a much safer bet
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So I noticed the last post in this thread was made by Peter right. I proceeded to open the thread and yet again his retardation didn't fail to disappoint. Onya Peter, top bloke. 
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Well they always have been like winning lotto, that is what the staff at BAe used to remind their QF cadets of when they ran the program back in the 90s. Also BTW the QF program was also entirely self funded, and again no guarantee of a job.
Look at it this way a Jetstar cadets will likely earn about $ 1.7 million in their first ten years employment
The same guy who didn't want to take the "huge risk" of a cadetship will earn likely about $400 K in their first ten years , likely punctuated by at least 25% of time spent unemployed, underemployed, working as a "slave" in at a GA flying school where you will be expected to work FT at a flying school , to be paid only for your two or three hours flying a week.
Doing laps of Australia on your credit card , and expected to be a "hang around" in a town for months before being considered for a job. In the meantime your high school buds have graduated Uni , in stable city jobs , buying houses, taking OS holidays.
So if you can actually stick this out for ten years , yes come on down winner, you now actually have the right to submit an application to Jetstar - you will need about 4000 tt to be competitive. But wait Oz is now feeling the GFC wash onto our shores , albeit a few years after, and there are now less than 100 direct entry spots per year.
Your application is now in the pile with a couple of thousand other turboprop dreamers, who are almost all likely to spend their entire careers turboprop dreaming.
But wait - you are lucky and actually pull it off. You feel so proud of yourself in your new Jetstar uniform earning your initial $90K base per year. But you bump into your old HS mate , you know the one who did the cadetship, actually had the discipline to prepare properly, had two cracks before he got it instead of enrolling in the first "You will have a jet job within five years - worst case" flying school he spotted on the drome. He is now a widebody Capt earning a base of three times your salary.
Go for GA maaateee - you will be such a winner.
Look at it this way a Jetstar cadets will likely earn about $ 1.7 million in their first ten years employment
The same guy who didn't want to take the "huge risk" of a cadetship will earn likely about $400 K in their first ten years , likely punctuated by at least 25% of time spent unemployed, underemployed, working as a "slave" in at a GA flying school where you will be expected to work FT at a flying school , to be paid only for your two or three hours flying a week.
Doing laps of Australia on your credit card , and expected to be a "hang around" in a town for months before being considered for a job. In the meantime your high school buds have graduated Uni , in stable city jobs , buying houses, taking OS holidays.
So if you can actually stick this out for ten years , yes come on down winner, you now actually have the right to submit an application to Jetstar - you will need about 4000 tt to be competitive. But wait Oz is now feeling the GFC wash onto our shores , albeit a few years after, and there are now less than 100 direct entry spots per year.
Your application is now in the pile with a couple of thousand other turboprop dreamers, who are almost all likely to spend their entire careers turboprop dreaming.
But wait - you are lucky and actually pull it off. You feel so proud of yourself in your new Jetstar uniform earning your initial $90K base per year. But you bump into your old HS mate , you know the one who did the cadetship, actually had the discipline to prepare properly, had two cracks before he got it instead of enrolling in the first "You will have a jet job within five years - worst case" flying school he spotted on the drome. He is now a widebody Capt earning a base of three times your salary.
Go for GA maaateee - you will be such a winner.
If that was me Flyboat, I'd shake my friend/Captains hand and invite him to catch up with a beer that weekend. Over the beer(s) we'd discuss what we had been up to over the past 10 years. I'd tell him about the skydiving gig I got my start on. Then moving further up north to chase a charter gig. Flying a 210 over parts of the country tourists pay hundreds of dollars to see. Trying to time my jump to a twin operator at the perfect time. Moving from a baron to the conquest and loving the capabilities of that aircraft. I did my first trip across Australia from coast to coast, a truly memorable experience.
Oh did I mention the fishing, crabbing and camping I did over these years? Something that became a new passion for this city boy. Not to mention the backpackers rolling through town every dry season.
I made my way into a regional airline, finally back to a major city, and was able to offer my captain knowledge and experience I had forged over many hours. Most of the guys I flew with had trod the same path and we traded stories of owners, planes and 'local characters' from our time up North. I upgraded to Captain and spent a few years with a turboprop command before getting the call from Jetstar. I'd made it. A 10 year adventure one where I had made many new friends, experienced some of the most amazing sights and people this country has to offer and honed my flying skills and airmanship.
I asked my friend/Captain what he'd been doing the past 10 years? He'd flown an A320. Become a captain. He'd lived in Melbourne the whole time. He asked me to tell him more about those backpackers...
Oh did I mention the fishing, crabbing and camping I did over these years? Something that became a new passion for this city boy. Not to mention the backpackers rolling through town every dry season.
I made my way into a regional airline, finally back to a major city, and was able to offer my captain knowledge and experience I had forged over many hours. Most of the guys I flew with had trod the same path and we traded stories of owners, planes and 'local characters' from our time up North. I upgraded to Captain and spent a few years with a turboprop command before getting the call from Jetstar. I'd made it. A 10 year adventure one where I had made many new friends, experienced some of the most amazing sights and people this country has to offer and honed my flying skills and airmanship.
I asked my friend/Captain what he'd been doing the past 10 years? He'd flown an A320. Become a captain. He'd lived in Melbourne the whole time. He asked me to tell him more about those backpackers...
Flyboat sets it all out very clearly the problem with a lot of (not all) the cadets coming through the Jetstar cadet scheme. Its all about how much money a pilot makes and how cool it is to be a jet pilot. Nothing about professionalism or trying to be the best pilot you can be. They write-off the GA experience as being beneath them without having the faintest idea how it works (suggest you read mcgrath 50's post).
Sums up nicely, what in some cadets mind, it is all about. It will be a long time before a Jetstar cadet gets to see a widebody command.
He is now a widebody Capt earning a base of three times your salary.