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Old 17th Feb 2011, 04:48
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Hi Brian: I did not intend to imply that you are one of the noisy advocates - my apologies if I implied that.

FA: Your assumption is incorrect. In any event, my questions were purely rhetorical.

Speaking of rhetoric, where did the Triple Idiot's extraordinarily insightful post go?
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Our friend the triple idiot is cultivating a more moderate persona so probably deleted his own post
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Old 18th Feb 2011, 04:30
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Our friend the triple idiot
You've got friends Jack? (rhetorical question).

But moving on, and despite asking the obvious question of.... to whom do you refer, what's this got to do with the price of fish, the undercarriage of the A36 Bonanza, serviceability of any Maule, or, more importantly, the thread topic?

You really must concentrate.
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Sorry Frank, attention is wandering a bit

Our friend the triple idiot
Sarcasm Frank
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Mr Cream Puff,
a question for you.
When are you and your cohorts going to have the courage of your convictions and step out from behind your "Judge Judy court" and prosecute these alleged criminals in a "Real Court", if you are so convinced they are guilty, and not just "stitched up"?.
I'm not one way or the other, just concerned that "justice" is done and seen to be done, the AAT is not justice.
The regulators are the one's that criminalized our industry, yet would rather use tactics akin to the Burma regime rather than face a real court.
Maybe the BK ex RAAF baggage handler might have some problems in front of a proper judge?
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Good question, TB.

My cohorts and I don’t prosecute, because they and I are too scared that a court will find out that we’re taking regulatory action for the purposes only of maliciously hurting the licence or certificate holder. After all, the only reason my cohorts and I take regulatory action is to hurt licence and certificate holders.

We enjoy inflicting unnecessary pain.

But now, as a consequence of your incisive questioning, I realise: that’s wrong.

So TB, I confess all.

Thank you – confession has been good for my soul.

When should I expect the bluey? I’ve been enjoying retirement for the odd decade or two. Will they have my address?
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Old 18th Feb 2011, 20:41
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I’ve been enjoying retirement for the odd decade or two
I always thought that place was a retirement home.
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Old 19th Feb 2011, 21:47
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Majorrazor you are either CASA or are so out of touch with the industry , as you have no idea of what you are talking about. John Maitland Lawyers of Melbourne has made a virtual fortune out of having to stand up for those that cant defend themselves , due to the stance of CASA. CASA at present should delete the word safety from everything pertaining to their operation, as they have nothing to do with safety at all and in the words of their self serving leader "CASA is about regulating and that is what CASA will do"
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If the regulator reads this, and has an interest, I have been given, via this forum, important information which I feel obliged to share with you as a seriously concerned citizen.

It is of an operator who regularly carries out criminal and illegal activities, illegal maintenance, displays incompetence on a grand scale, has crashed, or written off, just about every aircraft it has owned or operated over the years, has an abysmal workplace health and safety record with it's employees. They have terrible money management skills and an out of control discretionary fund. They write their own rules as they go and I have information from within it's ranks of bastardization and cronyism. The outfit operates a monopoly and regularly runs people out of business.

They are still very much in business and have obviously escaped your obligations as "the expert" on aviation safety and surveillance in Australia which I understand includes a duty of care to any individual taxpayer who expects your vigilance.

PM me for vital information concerning this miscreant before someone dies as a result of you simply not being aware.
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Old 22nd Feb 2011, 11:23
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Frank are you talking about Australia or Indonesia ?
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You could certainly be forgiven for thinking it was in Indonesia, but I regret to inform you this operator is right here in Australia. The only thing that prevents more accidents of recent is they have drastically reduced their flying hours. I guess like any operator, if they don't fly they will eventually achieve a perfect flying record.
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Old 23rd Feb 2011, 23:22
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?? Is this Australia

NO Flying = No Crashing

Question:

Why does the ATSB not investigate all "prangs" - the link with pilot errors, CASA, safety culture, maintenance, aircraft type would be interesting. Also, what about the insurer and owner in this - this combination would have an interesting impact on the "accident" rate.
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Would this operator have operations based in a few major cities in Oz but deploy to most airports in Oz on a regular or semi regular basis, and have a reasonably high management overhead? If so I can guess who it is, they should know better, they've been in the game a very long time..

I'll come back tomorrow with my guess, unless someone beats me to it.
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Please be careful about naming any non government organization.
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Hey Frank

Please PM me the information Please!!!
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Old 24th Feb 2011, 22:20
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If the regulator reads this, and has an interest, I have been given, via this forum, important information which I feel obliged to share with you as a seriously concerned citizen.
Capt: If you are from the regulator please PM me so I can check your bona fides.
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Old 25th Feb 2011, 05:21
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Please be careful about naming any non government organization.
Of course.

The initials of this organisation wouldn't be C A S A by any chance?
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Old 25th Feb 2011, 22:03
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Perhaps someone knows who the operator was?

A group of young enthusiasts
Met at a local pub
To talk about a common love
"The Port Moresby Gliding Club"

Their membership was very low
The running costs were high,
They needed some dramatic act
To catch the public eye.

"I've got a good idea" said one
"Been planning it all day
I'll try it out tomorrow
When coming back from Lae."

The flight to Lae was wonderful
The aircraft right on track,
They had no reason to suspect
The drama coming back.

Their business done - they climbed aboard
One had a bulging bilum
The Captain chuckled to himself,
"The last ten miles will thrill 'em

This trick will have no impact
If I fill her up with fuel
I'll take enough for Top of Climb
And glide in from Mount Yule."

They flew along as smooth as silk
With not a single jolt
But as they got to Galley Reach
Both donks ground to a halt

The Captain said "Thank Christ they've stopped
They make a dreadful din
I'll now complete this exercise
And glide this bastard in."

A glider is a lovely thing
You see them everywhere
Some metal - others wood and glue
But never a KINGAIR

With noses flat against the glass
The victims watched in horror
And none of them had any doubt
They'd all be dead tomorra

He held her on the centre-line
He called the Tower and said
"For Christ's sake make me number one
I'm landing straight ahead"

He put it down right on the "keys"
And made sure he was clear
Then smilingly he turned and said
"I think we need a beer"

"The Aero Club looks very nice
Looks like it's just been painted"
But there was no-one to answer him
The bloody lot had fainted

Wes turned and looked him in the eye
He said "Thank Christ that's ended
It really won't surprise me
If your licence is suspended!"

Those passengers we've got on board
Look like they're in a trance
But now you must excuse me
Cos I think I've **** my pants"

When Joe Wal heard it on the phone
His hands flew to his head
His eyes stood out like organ stops
"F*** me" was all he said

But when he heard the details
Of this history making flight
His eyes lit up with interest
And he thought of it all night.

For Joe had always longed to fly
Although it made him dizzy
But this bloke here could show him how
On days he wasn't busy

So Joe signed up on the spot
They headed for the pub
Now Joe's the latest member
Of the Moresby Gliding Club

Sir Jules picked up his phone and heard
A voice known far and wide,
"This Grumman that arrives next month
- I wonder how they glide"

by Dean Darcey
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Old 27th Feb 2011, 21:43
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Devil Is only CASA guilty?

We all love to kick CASA. No, they don't make some operators' lifes easy but should they? They are supposed to assure aviation safety which could include putting those who don't play the game out of business (withdraw the AoC). Sorry, CASA is regulating you not asking you.

How often did I see aircraft instruments being repaired by the CFI to save money. How many pilots were forced yo exceed the flight time limitations? Come on, he operators are not angels and those who usually cry foul loudest are the biggest culprits. Look how many went out of business last year! Yes, I know, they wanted to cash in on the Indian market nor realizing Indians pay only low rates if they pay at all. The shortage of money forces people to make a choice: Make shortcuts or close the business. Life is tough.

Dear operators, do the right thing according to CAO, CAR CASR and AIP. Don't make sortcuts and you will be ok. If you can't because the Dollar pinches then please close your business. Nobody has the right to make a living by creating a risk to others,

The industry has shown it must be regulated (not self regulated). Aviation regulation is not a democratic club. Operators don't determine but do what they are told. That keeps members of the public safe which is more important than the feeling of one or two operators.
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Old 27th Feb 2011, 22:25
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The industry has shown it must be regulated
Do you know who the operator referred to in the poem was? Would you give them the job of regulating your industry? Do you believe the regulator should lead by example? Do you believe the regulator should prosecute without malice? Do you believe the regulator should lie under oath at legal proceedings? Do you believe in one mob writing the regulations, policing those regulations and prosecuting those regulations? Does the phrase judge, jury and executioner mean anything to you? Do you believe a model litigant should be able to spend the last cent in the taxpayers purse to secure a conviction? Do you believe....................................................

Forget it mate. We'll hear from you one day.
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