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You idiot Wingers!
So M stuffs two engine lines and now ACS and previously the Sydney monorail. The CFM engine line at JES has it ever produced a serviceable engine due to the ignoramuses running the joint. Why do you think Patrick bailed out?
M received a Birthday card from Rolls Royce for having an engine in the shop for 12 months (well done) This was just recently even after the joint had been Leaned to focus only on one engine. Well that worked!
Has the Monorail got that train back on the tracks yet that M gutted to "SAVE" money. I hear it cost a fortune and took a few years to do so.
With this mentality and assistance from you Wingers and your mate LameA380 I am sure they could stuff ACS aswell.
Then where will we all be?
White collar crime!
Got your bonus yet?
M received a Birthday card from Rolls Royce for having an engine in the shop for 12 months (well done) This was just recently even after the joint had been Leaned to focus only on one engine. Well that worked!
Has the Monorail got that train back on the tracks yet that M gutted to "SAVE" money. I hear it cost a fortune and took a few years to do so.
With this mentality and assistance from you Wingers and your mate LameA380 I am sure they could stuff ACS aswell.
Then where will we all be?
White collar crime!
Got your bonus yet?
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Not F.u.d., Not Good Faith
You are absolutely correct Wingers, it is not F.U.D., it is pure fact. While Qantas were supposed to be negotiating a new EBA agreement with the ALAEA "in good faith", they were secretly doing deals to move more heavy maintenance off-shore.
Good post Wingers, this point backs up the claim that the 'IN-PRINCIPLE' Agreement reached between QE and the ALAEA was set up for failure by Qantas before it was even agreed too.
Good post Wingers, this point backs up the claim that the 'IN-PRINCIPLE' Agreement reached between QE and the ALAEA was set up for failure by Qantas before it was even agreed too.
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Piot,
Thanks for your post , at the risk of repeating myself, all i have ever done is try to put a balanced perspective forward. i am not sure what exactly the press article means to the future, but i suppose time will tell.
Thanks for your post , at the risk of repeating myself, all i have ever done is try to put a balanced perspective forward. i am not sure what exactly the press article means to the future, but i suppose time will tell.
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Unfortunately, I think this is the thin end of the wedge.
How long before LHT pronounce that they are moving the engine shop to the phillipines or China in order to "remain competitive".
Heavy Maintenance will not be far behind. At least that will be the not so veiled threat during the upcoming EBA stoush with QF.
How long before LHT pronounce that they are moving the engine shop to the phillipines or China in order to "remain competitive".
Heavy Maintenance will not be far behind. At least that will be the not so veiled threat during the upcoming EBA stoush with QF.
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While Qf will know exactly when and how to react should the PIA go ahead, maybe making a personal choice beforehand not to continue doing any OT will be enough to make a difference.
All the time their OT slots are filled then the operation continues without any problems and they will continue trying to drag this out for as long as they can.
Why not be unavailable for a few weeks. Many must be cashed up recently. No point waiting until this all kicks off officially.
All the time their OT slots are filled then the operation continues without any problems and they will continue trying to drag this out for as long as they can.
Why not be unavailable for a few weeks. Many must be cashed up recently. No point waiting until this all kicks off officially.
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Vnav good luck in getting the OT clowns to stop doing OT. These people are the first to complain about anything. The only time they will give in is when they become labeled as scabs.
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The holes in the swiss cheese are lining up.
Anyone heard about the fuel nozzle manifold leak on EBC #1 engine. Casa should have by now it was an SDR.
Rumour has it that it was shoddy maint at the last heavy check overseas??
The worlds luckiest airline.
Look how much QF spent on the Qantas Link MD80 to stop writing off a hull.
Anyone heard about the fuel nozzle manifold leak on EBC #1 engine. Casa should have by now it was an SDR.
Rumour has it that it was shoddy maint at the last heavy check overseas??
The worlds luckiest airline.
Look how much QF spent on the Qantas Link MD80 to stop writing off a hull.
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Swiss Cheese
QE SYD at the moment, CRAP teams now 4 each from Dom, Base & SIT. Total 12.
Soon there will be more people on the CRAP teams than in the individual sections. Running around the airport and achieving very little. Does this seem like a build up to the precinct that we have been promised after the EBA.
Still, I like the nice break away from the pressures of the real work face.
The MEL’s continue to mount up due to lack of manpower and downtime.
And if an MEL is about to expire, QE just pressure someone in an office to write an EA to extend it.
Is CASA aware of this. I doubt it, as QF is self regulating as far as CASA is concerned. Those poor guys who are writing them up must go home every night with their ar$e#oles twitching. There may be some CAIR reports surfacing soon, and a few please explains to QF from the regulatory authority.
We are all aware that the issuing of an EA still does not relieve the LAME of his responsibilities in releasing the aircraft back into service. Just don’t let it be your signature that is being investigated.
Meanwhile the latest rumour from Base is that it is 120 people overstaffed. Here we go again, more VR?
My guess is that QE is planning to outsource more work to the up and coming MRO’s that they have allowed to become established, if, and when they can handle it.
Fantastic isn’t it. QE get rid of more people and the bean counters perceive that the costs go down. QE then says it has no one to perform the required work, gives away other operator contracts that we should be trying to chase, pays less super etc, and says that it is not responsible for the actions of this outsourcing.
What a Joke, but a great money spinner for some more management bonuses.
It must have been a shock to QE with the news that the 787 has gone backwards again.
QE management are banking a lot on the next generation of aircraft being self maintaining.
They are still machines, and machines break with great regularity.
And meanwhile the worm turns and the holes in the cheese move a little closer into line with each other with the aircraft that we have at the moment.
It is now not a matter of if, but more a matter of when.
QE cannot keep whittling away at the required maintenance and downtime and staff shortages and spares without the whole system failing, but it's just another case of they just don't care.
VOTE YES FOR PIA
Soon there will be more people on the CRAP teams than in the individual sections. Running around the airport and achieving very little. Does this seem like a build up to the precinct that we have been promised after the EBA.
Still, I like the nice break away from the pressures of the real work face.
The MEL’s continue to mount up due to lack of manpower and downtime.
And if an MEL is about to expire, QE just pressure someone in an office to write an EA to extend it.
Is CASA aware of this. I doubt it, as QF is self regulating as far as CASA is concerned. Those poor guys who are writing them up must go home every night with their ar$e#oles twitching. There may be some CAIR reports surfacing soon, and a few please explains to QF from the regulatory authority.
We are all aware that the issuing of an EA still does not relieve the LAME of his responsibilities in releasing the aircraft back into service. Just don’t let it be your signature that is being investigated.
Meanwhile the latest rumour from Base is that it is 120 people overstaffed. Here we go again, more VR?
My guess is that QE is planning to outsource more work to the up and coming MRO’s that they have allowed to become established, if, and when they can handle it.
Fantastic isn’t it. QE get rid of more people and the bean counters perceive that the costs go down. QE then says it has no one to perform the required work, gives away other operator contracts that we should be trying to chase, pays less super etc, and says that it is not responsible for the actions of this outsourcing.
What a Joke, but a great money spinner for some more management bonuses.
It must have been a shock to QE with the news that the 787 has gone backwards again.
QE management are banking a lot on the next generation of aircraft being self maintaining.
They are still machines, and machines break with great regularity.
And meanwhile the worm turns and the holes in the cheese move a little closer into line with each other with the aircraft that we have at the moment.
It is now not a matter of if, but more a matter of when.
QE cannot keep whittling away at the required maintenance and downtime and staff shortages and spares without the whole system failing, but it's just another case of they just don't care.
VOTE YES FOR PIA
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The only time they will give in is when they become labeled as scabs.
Apparently some LAMEs have refused to work O/T on a particular crew @ SYD DOM. I hear that some of the crew have been rather forcefully expressing their opinions about the counter-productive behaviour of the overtimers. One of the crew has been formally counselled for "harrassment" by QE HR. Others have had unofficial warnings from DMMs to back off. Now we're all getting letters from QE HR reminding us of the company's harrassment policy. Perhaps we need to remind the overtimers (and the company) of the company's fatigue management policy! And remind them that they are supporting a company that fails to negotiate in good faith, bullies their colleagues into submission with threats of outsourcing, trains scabs to take their jobs, grants obscene bonuses to themselves while screwing the rest of us, refuses to train us and make us as productive as we could be, ties one hand behind our backs with unworkable procedures and mismanages an institution that worked just fine until they wrecked it.
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Does any overtimer NOT see what the company is trying to do? Get as much of the massive backlog cleared before PIA!
I reckon do a bit of OT now. Clear some of those debts, put a bit in the savings account and come the bans, sit back and relax. It's alot easier to not be pressured if you are not financially stressed.
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Clipped, WHAT THE...?
I reckon do a bit of OT now. Clear some of those debts, put a bit in the savings account and come the bans, sit back and relax. It's alot easier to not be pressured if you are not financially stressed.
I'd like to work some O/T too, but I and many others like me choose not to in order to put the blowtorch on the company. But with people doing O/T, our actions and sacrifice and increasing financial stress are negated. When this is all over, we can all work as much O/T as we like to help put the train-wreck back on the rails, for an increased base-rate too! THINK ABOUT IT!!!
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Well said Konehead
The OT needs to stop now and those fools need to realise what they are causing. I hope everyone is in for a long hard fight if the PIA gets up because that is what it will take to win.
Just like the AMEs in 2001/02.
A lot of LAMEs talk tough about going out lets hope they stick to their guns and don't get a jelly back when unity and strength is needed most.
The OT needs to stop now and those fools need to realise what they are causing. I hope everyone is in for a long hard fight if the PIA gets up because that is what it will take to win.
Just like the AMEs in 2001/02.
A lot of LAMEs talk tough about going out lets hope they stick to their guns and don't get a jelly back when unity and strength is needed most.
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Fatigue management policy until theres an AOG.
The policy was "16 hours" and then M had to approve. Did M Know???
EBC fuel manifold change. Guys from Sydney engine (SEM) did 22 hours plus to get the a/c serviceable. 0700 am start Syd fly to a/c and still going the next morning @0700.
Guys flying from Cairns to help in Bne. Fly down in the arvo work in the bne hangar then fly back after a night shift. 18 hours o/t.
Guys flying to LA for an engine change. same story bust hump, work more than 16 hours and get the a/c serviceable only to have F/a's with some real backbone tell the company that they would not extend. a/c delayed anyway.
Tell me one thing if you deliberately break policy then haven't you broken a cardinal rule.
Typical QF management. "Safety until there's a schedule."
The policy was "16 hours" and then M had to approve. Did M Know???
EBC fuel manifold change. Guys from Sydney engine (SEM) did 22 hours plus to get the a/c serviceable. 0700 am start Syd fly to a/c and still going the next morning @0700.
Guys flying from Cairns to help in Bne. Fly down in the arvo work in the bne hangar then fly back after a night shift. 18 hours o/t.
Guys flying to LA for an engine change. same story bust hump, work more than 16 hours and get the a/c serviceable only to have F/a's with some real backbone tell the company that they would not extend. a/c delayed anyway.
Tell me one thing if you deliberately break policy then haven't you broken a cardinal rule.
Typical QF management. "Safety until there's a schedule."
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Konehead
I actually enjoy your posts. Your cause is noble but futile. Only during PROTECTED bans will we collectively have any effect.
Only then will we be able to force these twits back to the negotiating table. Never will this current mob give you a payrise simply to keep you content. Every value of the current offer had to be negotiated.
The current offer is poor. I will vote yes for PIA. I will be ready for a lengthy battle. I will wait till an adequate and fair deal is offered to ALL members and we will prevail.
We wouldn't be approaching PIA if no-one was doing O/T!
Only then will we be able to force these twits back to the negotiating table. Never will this current mob give you a payrise simply to keep you content. Every value of the current offer had to be negotiated.
The current offer is poor. I will vote yes for PIA. I will be ready for a lengthy battle. I will wait till an adequate and fair deal is offered to ALL members and we will prevail.
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Is CASA aware of this. I doubt it, as QF is self regulating as far as CASA is concerned. Those poor guys who are writing them up must go home every night with their ar$e#oles twitching. There may be some CAIR reports surfacing soon, and a few please explains to QF from the regulatory authority
Who says they have to write them they can refuse.
Domo have you heard of composite crews,4 crews made up into one, one leader.
Who says they have to write them they can refuse.
Domo have you heard of composite crews,4 crews made up into one, one leader.
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Spoke to a mate in Mel Heavy last night he tells me the Prez stopped by to have a Q&A with the crew. PC spoke in short terms of where we were, where we are now and where we are going then opened to the floor my mate said the unity shown by the guys wass great to see all positive and wishing to move to PIA to further the cause. Up here in the wild west we are also ready to go sick and tired of being taken for granted. What are other bases feeling ? can we get the vote even higher ?
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I don't like being lied to, I don't like being taken for granted, I refuse to be treated like a second class citizen and a serf
It's time Qantas management take responsibility of their actions and especially their failings (Too many to mention in one breath)
YES TO UNITY
YES TO ONE VOICE
YES TO PIA
To Goatrider I hope you're right the last program almost cost DC his job, time to put another nail in his coffin and that nail has OGQ imprinted on it's head
It's time Qantas management take responsibility of their actions and especially their failings (Too many to mention in one breath)
YES TO UNITY
YES TO ONE VOICE
YES TO PIA
To Goatrider I hope you're right the last program almost cost DC his job, time to put another nail in his coffin and that nail has OGQ imprinted on it's head