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Company Spy. I like your thinking.
"Bring Back the Biff"
I too am sick of the managment bullies. Whats worse is the Dmms who are our fellow members practice this **** on our members.
I have seen Dmm's hound some really good lame's until they have been forced to leave. After deliberately twisting and manipulating situations they have assassinated individuals. Even after the VR process has finished they have pressed the issue with lames who are good loyal union members by offering the package. If you dont want to be here we will get the package for you. You have one week to decide and give us an answer.
Blackmail or what!!!
Bring on the PIA. Lets see these company trolls exposed.
"Bring Back the Biff"
"Bring Back the Biff"
I too am sick of the managment bullies. Whats worse is the Dmms who are our fellow members practice this **** on our members.
I have seen Dmm's hound some really good lame's until they have been forced to leave. After deliberately twisting and manipulating situations they have assassinated individuals. Even after the VR process has finished they have pressed the issue with lames who are good loyal union members by offering the package. If you dont want to be here we will get the package for you. You have one week to decide and give us an answer.
Blackmail or what!!!
Bring on the PIA. Lets see these company trolls exposed.
"Bring Back the Biff"
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If you are on certified sick leave before the lockout happens you are covered.Piot, protected PIA means you can take action without losing your house, lockouts can still happen! But we must remain united in this fight to ensure we have maximum impact. Management under DC are in the direct firing line and even when their heads are on the block they will hit below the belt, otherwise their CV will not look good for their next job.Have a look at MH management history, very ugly! Still unsure as to how he got a job at QF. QDF r##ted, Monorail being demolished, Kraft-your vegemite isn't made here anymore, Engine line Sydney speaks for its self, Base maintenence- the advance stops here. QF flies on its long history, us boys and girls not second class management!
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My regular weekly post.
I will try not to post untill after first PIA.......will try, NO PROMISES
But for now..... you guys live in wonderland, you post crap that makes you feel good , you are devoid of reality.
Do you really think the comapny has recruited 200+ people to sit on the sidelines, they are expecting you to get PIA up, they want PIA and it looks like it will be on.
You guys really have no comprehension of what is going on around you,
You need to ask yourselves one question.
Why does the company want PIA?
Bring on PIA and let the cards fall where they may
I will try not to post untill after first PIA.......will try, NO PROMISES
But for now..... you guys live in wonderland, you post crap that makes you feel good , you are devoid of reality.
Do you really think the comapny has recruited 200+ people to sit on the sidelines, they are expecting you to get PIA up, they want PIA and it looks like it will be on.
You guys really have no comprehension of what is going on around you,
You need to ask yourselves one question.
Why does the company want PIA?
Bring on PIA and let the cards fall where they may
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AMEs PIA about 3-4 years ago got a substantial payrise and some much needed solidarity out of it
A380 LAME, by the way you speak you sound like a sour grape, are you one of the JHAS guys that started EASA training with QF only to be dropped like a hot potato or perhaps a self indulgent manager either way your talk is not big on walk
The cards will fall as they may and if the quiet majority that I was once a part of stand up QF and the airline industry will listen to a very loud voice, one of reason, one of honesty and one of solidarity
To all others that post here back you good words up with good deeds it will set an example for those who may falter and most of all stay true.
A380 LAME, by the way you speak you sound like a sour grape, are you one of the JHAS guys that started EASA training with QF only to be dropped like a hot potato or perhaps a self indulgent manager either way your talk is not big on walk
The cards will fall as they may and if the quiet majority that I was once a part of stand up QF and the airline industry will listen to a very loud voice, one of reason, one of honesty and one of solidarity
To all others that post here back you good words up with good deeds it will set an example for those who may falter and most of all stay true.
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Mr Invisible
You miss the point.....you cannot win this fight, repeat you cannot win this fight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It looks like you will all find out the hard way....
Repeat.....you will not win this fight......
Do you really belive that the ALAEA can beat QF, do you really belive the members can beat QF,
You are a sorry lot of overpaid mechanics on an ego trip, wake up or loose your jobs to overseas operators.
You miss the point.....you cannot win this fight, repeat you cannot win this fight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It looks like you will all find out the hard way....
Repeat.....you will not win this fight......
Do you really belive that the ALAEA can beat QF, do you really belive the members can beat QF,
You are a sorry lot of overpaid mechanics on an ego trip, wake up or loose your jobs to overseas operators.
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LAME A380 (king of trolls)
I wouldn't be so sure. This may involve a lot of blood noses on both sides, but don't underestimate our determination. (PERTH 8hr roster exercise being a case in point). This will be expensive for both sides, not to mention the bad publicity from the treatment of not one group of employees, but also the international pilots awaiting their EBA being sorted out.
This kick in the knackers has happened 7 times previously, and enough is enough.
You miss the point.....you cannot win this fight, repeat you cannot win this fight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It looks like you will all find out the hard way....
Repeat.....you will not win this fight......
It looks like you will all find out the hard way....
Repeat.....you will not win this fight......
This kick in the knackers has happened 7 times previously, and enough is enough.
LAMEA380 look at the facts
If Qantas is so keen on getting PIA underway, why did they send a QC and the QF Negotiating team to the AIRC to argue about the wording of the ALAEA application for PIA ballot? The only purpose this served was to DELAY the commencement of PIA. It seems that QF is trying every possible avenue to delay PIA even though LAMEA380 asserts that QF is ready for a fight. I say to you, LAMEA380, QF does NOT want PIA. I say that the overwhelming majority of ALAEA members want 5% and are willing to support that claim with PIA. And I say that voting this ballot up and following it up with PIA WILL result in an improved EBA outcome. This has been proven in the past and will be so in the future (AMWU/AWU AME’s are just one example). The only difference this time is that we are operating in an environment where Workchoices legislation is slowly being dismantled by the new Federal Government, which will slowly open up more and more opportunity for us to secure fair outcomes.
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Lamea380 I have seen the calibre of the strike breakers the company has hired and I have also worked with a lot of them and believe me the company is in trouble. Most of them didn't work when they used to work for QE so what is going to make them work now? A lot of these guys were also treated poorly by the company so do you honestly think they will break a back to get aircraft out. Skippers will refuse to accept aircraft like OGQ was refused and FSD's will not accept poor cabins.
A united yes vote will resolve the deadlock
If you are one of the few that are happy with the deal on offer and don’t want PIA to start, you still need to vote ‘yes’ in the upcoming PIA ballot to authorise the ALAEA to carry out PIA. Although this may sound counterintuitive at first glance, a united vote (90/10) will ensure the most rapid resolution to the situation. A splintered vote (60/40) will mean the possibility of extended pain for all involved. We all know the vote will get up in any event, so now is the time to put aside your differences and throw your full support behind this effort, for EVERY members sake. This is all about rapid resolution of a difficult situation to get an EBA outcome that will be accepted and voted up. If that is what you want, vote yes and encourage your colleagues to do the same.
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The meeting I was present at said the current deal was NULL and VOID because Qantas changed it and lied about it's contents/benefits to LAMEs.
Our only option is to vote YES for PIA
To all those who may waver, these following items scare the bejesus out of the management and have the Board members breaking their B@ll$
Falling Share Price
Falling Forward Bookings
Public Awareness of the failings of Overseas Maintenance (More Staple stories)
Governmental awareness (Workplace Ombudsman) of the state of Annual, LSL Leave owing
CASA embarrassment re: non release of publicly available audit documents
A Bloody battle will ensue for sure............BRING IT ON
Our only option is to vote YES for PIA
To all those who may waver, these following items scare the bejesus out of the management and have the Board members breaking their B@ll$
Falling Share Price
Falling Forward Bookings
Public Awareness of the failings of Overseas Maintenance (More Staple stories)
Governmental awareness (Workplace Ombudsman) of the state of Annual, LSL Leave owing
CASA embarrassment re: non release of publicly available audit documents
A Bloody battle will ensue for sure............BRING IT ON
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lockout pay
to the fedsec.
during the winter of discontent in regard to the 1920,s coalminers dispute.once locked out by the companies representing the owners.
Workers were granted subsidy wages by respective state governments due to legislation.
just a question ? does this legislation regarding locked out employees still exist ?
also if the employees mass striked,no state funding was afforded.
do not walk out at all costs boys,
during the winter of discontent in regard to the 1920,s coalminers dispute.once locked out by the companies representing the owners.
Workers were granted subsidy wages by respective state governments due to legislation.
just a question ? does this legislation regarding locked out employees still exist ?
also if the employees mass striked,no state funding was afforded.
do not walk out at all costs boys,
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A380Lame
You must very uncomfortable in your ability as a Lame if you need to sidle up to management to survive. I am comfortable enough to go somewhere else if my skills are not wanted or valued at QF. Bring on the PIA and make it a convincing vote for the exec to wave in MH & DC faces.
You must very uncomfortable in your ability as a Lame if you need to sidle up to management to survive. I am comfortable enough to go somewhere else if my skills are not wanted or valued at QF. Bring on the PIA and make it a convincing vote for the exec to wave in MH & DC faces.
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If QE Management are ready to fight etc etc ...
why are they rejecting ALL leave again at SYD Base from May?
Seems like they can not afford to let anyone off for even one day.
If you can't afford a few days off work to protect your pay & conditions at QF,
go now! to the other airlines & MROs, you'll get a pay rise in the deal.
The rest of us want to resurrect QE.
PIA now.
why are they rejecting ALL leave again at SYD Base from May?
Seems like they can not afford to let anyone off for even one day.
If you can't afford a few days off work to protect your pay & conditions at QF,
go now! to the other airlines & MROs, you'll get a pay rise in the deal.
The rest of us want to resurrect QE.
PIA now.
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currently there are 1700 LAME's working unlimited OT just to try and keep the fleet going,growing MEL's/deferred maintenance,50 to 200 Lame's(who cares what the figure is,doesn't really matter) scubs in training,look on managements faces when they realize there plans will fall into a heap due to lack of numbers will be priceless.
PS.there is a get together at the James Squire on the 3 May for all the ex H.M people from H245,come on down and find out how everyone is getting on these days.you will find some very happy people who are now in much better paying jobs than a the RAT,oh yeah and they have a future
PS.there is a get together at the James Squire on the 3 May for all the ex H.M people from H245,come on down and find out how everyone is getting on these days.you will find some very happy people who are now in much better paying jobs than a the RAT,oh yeah and they have a future
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A380Lame
You must very uncomfortable in your ability as a Lame if you need to sidle up to management to survive.
You must very uncomfortable in your ability as a Lame if you need to sidle up to management to survive.
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Does anybody know the quantum of the Alaea claim.?
I imagine Qf will be prepared to spend ten times this and risking damage to the company to defend some industrial position.
Geoff try telling your shareholders you are prepared to blow their money to prove a point.
As Chris Corrigan found out. You can #### your workers but in doing so you will #### yourself.
Qf are already doing this to themselves with out the Alaea Eba. The sooner management accept responsibility for their decisions the sooner the EBA wll be resolved and we can all start making money.
I imagine Qf will be prepared to spend ten times this and risking damage to the company to defend some industrial position.
Geoff try telling your shareholders you are prepared to blow their money to prove a point.
As Chris Corrigan found out. You can #### your workers but in doing so you will #### yourself.
Qf are already doing this to themselves with out the Alaea Eba. The sooner management accept responsibility for their decisions the sooner the EBA wll be resolved and we can all start making money.
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Ahh yes
Skippers will refuse to accept aircraft like OGQ was refused and FSD's will not accept poor cabins.
Finally grounded after tech crews refused to operate it. Some "love" in Melbourne to fix it with some more loving to come to clear the rest of the MEL/hold items.
No quality issues with overseas MRO's though.
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Cannot win this fight
A380LAME "you cannot win this fight"
Off course we can, thats a matter of how much resolve and how united the majority is.
If we decide to stand up united we will push through the below CPI 3% barrier, this may be upsetting for the "stakeholders" who promised this, but maybe they are so invested in this they can't lose either. Shame if they did, would that mean they failed? Maybe a restructure is required. Hope I'm not offending you by talking about your handlers that way.
More to the point you cannot LOSE this fight, you've ..er invested so much in this that losing sees your aspirations up in smoke. You've made it clear you are about yourself and no one else which means as a collective we must surely be about everyone else except......you.
So A380LAME repeat this at night as those insecurities haunt you "I cannot LOSE this fight....I cannot LOSE this fight..." It may be drowned out by the thousand other voices in unison saying "you will"
Off course we can, thats a matter of how much resolve and how united the majority is.If we decide to stand up united we will push through the below CPI 3% barrier, this may be upsetting for the "stakeholders" who promised this, but maybe they are so invested in this they can't lose either. Shame if they did, would that mean they failed? Maybe a restructure is required. Hope I'm not offending you by talking about your handlers that way.
More to the point you cannot LOSE this fight, you've ..er invested so much in this that losing sees your aspirations up in smoke. You've made it clear you are about yourself and no one else which means as a collective we must surely be about everyone else except......you.
So A380LAME repeat this at night as those insecurities haunt you "I cannot LOSE this fight....I cannot LOSE this fight..." It may be drowned out by the thousand other voices in unison saying "you will"
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Is the Below FUD.....
Qantas extends its maintenance repair reach
Steve Creedy, Aviation writer | April 21, 2008
QANTAS is selling a 50 per cent stake in Melbourne-based jet engine maintenance subsidiary Jet Turbine Services to form a joint venture with global maintenance giant Lufthansa Technik.
The airline is hoping the joint venture will give JTS greater access to worldwide markets through the German company's extensive customer network.
Lufthansa Technik (LHT) is one the world's leading maintenance repair operations (MROs) with revenue last year of E3.6billion ($6.09 billion) and contracts with about 630 customers, including maintenance in The Philippines of the Qantas fleet of A330s.
JTS, originally formed in 2003 from the remnants of Ansett as a joint venture between Qantas and Patrick, specialises in overhauling General Electric and CFM aircraft engines and employs 140 people.
The deal includes a 10-year contract with LHT to provide maintenance services for 124 Qantas CF6 engines used on Boeing 767-300, 747-400 and Airbus A330 aircraft as well as 66 CFM56-7 engines powering the airline's 737-800s.
It does not cover the airline's Rolls-Royce engines, which are serviced at a separate facility in Sydney.
Describing the deal as one of the most significant commercial aircraft maintenance joint ventures in Australia, Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon said the partnership with Lufthansa Technik would deliver valuable benefits both to JTS and Qantas engineering by providing direct access to the German MRO's global customer network.
"This partnership is a positive step for JTS. Combining with one of the world's leading MROs will provide JTS with global expertise, improved technical capability and an increased scale of operation, which will further improve its growth prospects and provide Qantas Engineering with a world-class jet engine maintenance operation in Australia," Mr Dixon said.
"The partnership is in line with Qantas's strategy of continuing investment in Australia when we can achieve the right combination of labour flexibility, productivity and capability." Qantas announced in December that it had signed an agreement to establish a Malaysia-based engineering joint venture it hoped to build into a $US15 billion-a-year business by 2016.
The carrier said it would take a half stake in MAS Aerospace Engineering, a wholly owned subsidiary of Malaysia Airlines, to get a foothold in Southeast Asia's burgeoning maintenance, repair and overhaul market.
The Kuala Lumpur-based facility has more than 1000 engineers and provides a full range of maintenance services for Boeing 747s, 777s and 737s and Airbus A330s and A320s.
The announcement comes as Qantas engineers are due to take a ballot on renewed industrial action, including possible 48-hour strikes, after an enterprise bargaining agreement reached with the company fell apart.
The Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association pulled out of the deal amid accusations Qantas had changed some of the details.
Results of the ballot should be known by the middle of next month, according to union
Steve Creedy, Aviation writer | April 21, 2008
QANTAS is selling a 50 per cent stake in Melbourne-based jet engine maintenance subsidiary Jet Turbine Services to form a joint venture with global maintenance giant Lufthansa Technik.
The airline is hoping the joint venture will give JTS greater access to worldwide markets through the German company's extensive customer network.
Lufthansa Technik (LHT) is one the world's leading maintenance repair operations (MROs) with revenue last year of E3.6billion ($6.09 billion) and contracts with about 630 customers, including maintenance in The Philippines of the Qantas fleet of A330s.
JTS, originally formed in 2003 from the remnants of Ansett as a joint venture between Qantas and Patrick, specialises in overhauling General Electric and CFM aircraft engines and employs 140 people.
The deal includes a 10-year contract with LHT to provide maintenance services for 124 Qantas CF6 engines used on Boeing 767-300, 747-400 and Airbus A330 aircraft as well as 66 CFM56-7 engines powering the airline's 737-800s.
It does not cover the airline's Rolls-Royce engines, which are serviced at a separate facility in Sydney.
Describing the deal as one of the most significant commercial aircraft maintenance joint ventures in Australia, Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon said the partnership with Lufthansa Technik would deliver valuable benefits both to JTS and Qantas engineering by providing direct access to the German MRO's global customer network.
"This partnership is a positive step for JTS. Combining with one of the world's leading MROs will provide JTS with global expertise, improved technical capability and an increased scale of operation, which will further improve its growth prospects and provide Qantas Engineering with a world-class jet engine maintenance operation in Australia," Mr Dixon said.
"The partnership is in line with Qantas's strategy of continuing investment in Australia when we can achieve the right combination of labour flexibility, productivity and capability." Qantas announced in December that it had signed an agreement to establish a Malaysia-based engineering joint venture it hoped to build into a $US15 billion-a-year business by 2016.
The carrier said it would take a half stake in MAS Aerospace Engineering, a wholly owned subsidiary of Malaysia Airlines, to get a foothold in Southeast Asia's burgeoning maintenance, repair and overhaul market.
The Kuala Lumpur-based facility has more than 1000 engineers and provides a full range of maintenance services for Boeing 747s, 777s and 737s and Airbus A330s and A320s.
The announcement comes as Qantas engineers are due to take a ballot on renewed industrial action, including possible 48-hour strikes, after an enterprise bargaining agreement reached with the company fell apart.
The Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers Association pulled out of the deal amid accusations Qantas had changed some of the details.
Results of the ballot should be known by the middle of next month, according to union
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