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If its the one I'm thinking of and perhaps the one you are alluding to.
yeehaa!!
He made my life particularly miserable during the dispute and would like to offer him some sex and travel advice.
yeehaa!!
He made my life particularly miserable during the dispute and would like to offer him some sex and travel advice.
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Also, congrats to the ALAEA and Tamworth LAMEs on reaching an IPA.
Is there a more humane (and sensible) approach being pursued by QE management with it's coalface?
How timely.
Is there a more humane (and sensible) approach being pursued by QE management with it's coalface?
How timely.
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Now that's different .....
CNN.com
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- In the midst of a recession, job cut announcements have become a daily occurrence. But some employers have promised no pink slips, and are sticking to it.........
But even as the number of unemployed grows, some companies say their workers have nothing to fear. "I have never in my 13 years [at the company] felt that my job is in jeopardy due to the economy," said Jill Kronman, a flight attendant for Southwest Airlines (LUV, Fortune 500).That's because Southwest is committed to avoiding layoffs at all costs - and they're not alone................
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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- In the midst of a recession, job cut announcements have become a daily occurrence. But some employers have promised no pink slips, and are sticking to it.........
But even as the number of unemployed grows, some companies say their workers have nothing to fear. "I have never in my 13 years [at the company] felt that my job is in jeopardy due to the economy," said Jill Kronman, a flight attendant for Southwest Airlines (LUV, Fortune 500).That's because Southwest is committed to avoiding layoffs at all costs - and they're not alone................
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A positive step in the right direction. Keeping people who have caused so much damage in the past is like trying to live with an ex-wife.
Now if only we could find some managers who are familiar/experienced with airworthiness requirements, local area procedures, etc...
PS, Anything positive from the meeting between LAMEs and the Manager of Engineering in Sydney the other week?
Happy news today.
Now if only we could find some managers who are familiar/experienced with airworthiness requirements, local area procedures, etc...
PS, Anything positive from the meeting between LAMEs and the Manager of Engineering in Sydney the other week?
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Mostly NOT.
Why?
Firstly avoid those nasty customer payments, in the future.
Secondly, in my opinion, to bring in the new players on the tarmac, to dilute our effectiveness in the future so they are never again exposed as with the recent PIA.
Of course management will counter with a number of more 'valid' reasons - ALL lies.
Why?
Firstly avoid those nasty customer payments, in the future.
Secondly, in my opinion, to bring in the new players on the tarmac, to dilute our effectiveness in the future so they are never again exposed as with the recent PIA.
Of course management will counter with a number of more 'valid' reasons - ALL lies.
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Just out of interest due my limited experience, can anyone comment from other parts of the world, re airlines who refuse to take up customer contracts?
Places I have worked in the past and present snap up customer work as it pays the bills and is money in pocket.
Would be interested to know other operations who knock back customer work,and reasons why?
Thanx in advance.
Places I have worked in the past and present snap up customer work as it pays the bills and is money in pocket.
Would be interested to know other operations who knock back customer work,and reasons why?
Thanx in advance.
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Yes QF22 most airlines do take up customer work at the first opportunity, Cathay and British Airways are prime examples, of doing there own aeroplanes in ports they fly, then supplement the expenses of self manning stations by doing customer work, thus allowing them to keep there own quality control of doing there own aeroplanes at effectively no expense to the company. British Airways even have a dedicated customer operation at LHR which is based out of terminal 3 i believe and those guys don't even go near British Airways aeroplanes..... anyone else feel free to comment.
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Thx chksatis.
SIA also has a dedicated customer group which handles all customers in S'pore.
It seems VERY odd that QF used to handle the majority of customers in Oz, and now their new boss, who used to handle those contracts, doesn't want to do any !????
In some ports QF aircraft were basically done at no cost to QF, because the revenue from customer work paid all the bills !
So how is the new boss going? It would seem not too well if he can't even get back the customer work that he used to control?
I am sure there is a hidden agenda, but buggered if I know what it is !
Maybe he is just a puppet on a string for DC, or just doesn't have a clue?
SIA also has a dedicated customer group which handles all customers in S'pore.
It seems VERY odd that QF used to handle the majority of customers in Oz, and now their new boss, who used to handle those contracts, doesn't want to do any !????
In some ports QF aircraft were basically done at no cost to QF, because the revenue from customer work paid all the bills !
So how is the new boss going? It would seem not too well if he can't even get back the customer work that he used to control?
I am sure there is a hidden agenda, but buggered if I know what it is !
Maybe he is just a puppet on a string for DC, or just doesn't have a clue?
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Thanx ASL.
I cannot fathom how a supposedly competant management, can cancel contracts due to industrial action (primarily brought on by themselves).
Then when the PIA is finished months ago, fail to honour those contracts, and reap the revenue from them.
Did QF have to pay penalties to the customers for not fullfilling contractual obligations?
Are the tail payments still being paid, or have they been cancelled?
Surely the revenue would exceed the tail payments?
Is this mismanagement deliberate, or incompetant?
I cannot fathom how a supposedly competant management, can cancel contracts due to industrial action (primarily brought on by themselves).
Then when the PIA is finished months ago, fail to honour those contracts, and reap the revenue from them.
Did QF have to pay penalties to the customers for not fullfilling contractual obligations?
Are the tail payments still being paid, or have they been cancelled?
Surely the revenue would exceed the tail payments?
Is this mismanagement deliberate, or incompetant?
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From what I understand, the customers have been given a "phased" timetable on when they will be planned to return (if they have not already got the sh**s and moved on). The tail payments will still be paid and have been paid all this time because the contracts have not been cancelled. The ones who have officially cancelled the contract, that attract a tail payment, will have the tail payment removed.
Looking at whats left to come back, I dont think SIT has the ability to handle some of the exotics that fly the 777/A340/A320 anymore. A lot of people have gone to the 380 and MCC and taken a lot of licence coverage with them.
There would need to be a huge investment in training to adequately cover this, which I dont see happening. The only training I would speculate is on the 330, primarily to cover the Jetstar ops.
The last lot of management really dropped the ball on this one and it has opened the door to the other smaller players to muscle in.
CEG groups work very well for other airlines who usually use their minimum skilled workforce to handle clients. The cream is in the ground equipment hire, non routine work, off sched flights, towing, pumping up a few tyres etc. If the contract includes certification, the dollars are a fair bit more.
At Qantas stations, in a CEG context, we are very inefficient and make no where near what we should. As a provider of maintenance and quality work, we are amongst the worlds best.
If management would only get the balance right and invest in the CEG side of things (not to forget the red tail side as well) it would be a very profitable outcome.
Looking at whats left to come back, I dont think SIT has the ability to handle some of the exotics that fly the 777/A340/A320 anymore. A lot of people have gone to the 380 and MCC and taken a lot of licence coverage with them.
There would need to be a huge investment in training to adequately cover this, which I dont see happening. The only training I would speculate is on the 330, primarily to cover the Jetstar ops.
The last lot of management really dropped the ball on this one and it has opened the door to the other smaller players to muscle in.
CEG groups work very well for other airlines who usually use their minimum skilled workforce to handle clients. The cream is in the ground equipment hire, non routine work, off sched flights, towing, pumping up a few tyres etc. If the contract includes certification, the dollars are a fair bit more.
At Qantas stations, in a CEG context, we are very inefficient and make no where near what we should. As a provider of maintenance and quality work, we are amongst the worlds best.
If management would only get the balance right and invest in the CEG side of things (not to forget the red tail side as well) it would be a very profitable outcome.
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Yes i agree HAGF!!!
You are right there, the SIT and BIT with all the redundancies and people movements over the last couple of years has left us prob a bit short to take all the customer work back anyway, once the A380 crew is dispersed and the SIT start handling the A380 thats prob going to put even more pressure on manpower and i would say they will prob never employ at the SIT for at least the next 5 years.
The way the CEG contracts were managed, were inefficient to say the least (especially at the SIT), probably there needs to be a project team set up to try and effectively run them better, but that would need to be done by people on the floor rather than management. BIT is a problem as there station was effectively run by CEG contracts as they only have 5-6 QF flights a day, so what is going to happen there....who knows.
But there are still some contracts heading back and i'm sure once things return to normal we will start seeing some of the others returning, it's a new year and will bring so new suprises i'm sure.
You are right there, the SIT and BIT with all the redundancies and people movements over the last couple of years has left us prob a bit short to take all the customer work back anyway, once the A380 crew is dispersed and the SIT start handling the A380 thats prob going to put even more pressure on manpower and i would say they will prob never employ at the SIT for at least the next 5 years.
The way the CEG contracts were managed, were inefficient to say the least (especially at the SIT), probably there needs to be a project team set up to try and effectively run them better, but that would need to be done by people on the floor rather than management. BIT is a problem as there station was effectively run by CEG contracts as they only have 5-6 QF flights a day, so what is going to happen there....who knows.
But there are still some contracts heading back and i'm sure once things return to normal we will start seeing some of the others returning, it's a new year and will bring so new suprises i'm sure.
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chksatis , funny you saying that there needs to be a project team put together to get customer work back..Sorry i find that fu..ing funny, this is the reason QF is where it is now..committees for everything..
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Thx HAGF n Chksatis
Thx guys it's interesting to hear whats going on.
The question begs, why is it taking so long, and is it deliberate mis-management, or incompetance?
Yes Happy New Year to all. Hopefully things will improve for us all in 2009.
Time will tell.
Cheers
The question begs, why is it taking so long, and is it deliberate mis-management, or incompetance?
Yes Happy New Year to all. Hopefully things will improve for us all in 2009.
Time will tell.
Cheers
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is it deliberate mis-management, or incompetance
This seems obvious to those watching on. I have also heard, though not sure if is true, that the SIT is slowly being modelled on the SDT in order to cater for core aircraft only. (ie, Qantas & Jetstar), with token customer work likely to be ditched in the future - except for jetstar (if you could consider Jetstar - part of the Qantas group - as a "Customer", personally I do not and refuse to speak this utter crap) and lots of single man lines. I guess when SNR LAME and Supervisor positions come up in the future we will all see.
In the meantime we will continue to loose millions in revenue in order to save a few bucks, but whats new? As long as we have inexperienced people running the joint it will continue. It should be a bl*#dy no-brainer. Pay me 1/4 of their wages and I bet I could make 3 times as much money!
Enough said.
And yes, other operators across Europe are trying to snag as much customer work as possible. Just ask them. They went through this years ago.
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qantas were so far behind in their maint it was getting very serious.Still behind and if the work schedules are anything to go by that'd be right.Lucky flying has stalled to some extent.
I think casa may have had an indirect hand in the contract work restart as the maint backlog was such, that, extra work may not have been possible (or wise in the eyes of the regulator) over and above what was called up on qantas A/C.
Hold items seem to have decreased as does the flow (flood ) of ATP's to keep things afloat so that seems to be getting better.
It should never have got to that stage of course and a number of those responsible for running an ill advised/planned counter to the ALAEA campaign have decided to seek other goals.
So yes incompetence to start with and maybe some now, but I do know they are under pressure to get the fleet serviceable. The mess left by some of the former masters will take some time to clean up.
Adding to the already top heavy supervisory structure prob wasnt the best move GH has made but getting some tech folks in supervisory roles was a good move.Just needs a bit of thinning out now.Depending on where you work I think there maybe 9 to 11 layers from AME to A Joyce.Could be wrong there but its a jungle of supervision.
Coming from geoffstar he must scratch his head wondering WTF they really do, and, do we really need them to do whatever that is???
I know I do.
I think casa may have had an indirect hand in the contract work restart as the maint backlog was such, that, extra work may not have been possible (or wise in the eyes of the regulator) over and above what was called up on qantas A/C.
Hold items seem to have decreased as does the flow (flood ) of ATP's to keep things afloat so that seems to be getting better.
It should never have got to that stage of course and a number of those responsible for running an ill advised/planned counter to the ALAEA campaign have decided to seek other goals.
So yes incompetence to start with and maybe some now, but I do know they are under pressure to get the fleet serviceable. The mess left by some of the former masters will take some time to clean up.
Adding to the already top heavy supervisory structure prob wasnt the best move GH has made but getting some tech folks in supervisory roles was a good move.Just needs a bit of thinning out now.Depending on where you work I think there maybe 9 to 11 layers from AME to A Joyce.Could be wrong there but its a jungle of supervision.
Coming from geoffstar he must scratch his head wondering WTF they really do, and, do we really need them to do whatever that is???
I know I do.