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As I am about to have one of the 'market research' telephone interviews to establish whether I will pay for my rating and/or accept the salary on offer I am just wondering if any one out there has proceeded beyond this point to a proper interview with solid details about basing/rosters/pay and conditions. Seems a little odd that they were hoping to be offering positions at the end of February and they are still conducting initial telephone contacts?
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They are struggling, cant get the manpower cant get the ops staff. Same old story pay peanuts get monkeys.Two ex Saffaa ops yes men , no 777 time no ETOPS exp , not got the goods for writing the manuals. Not putting the money into the infrastructure and training .This outfit wont be a quality one mark my words .Dont mention the pay and contract to start with.
Good Luck to anyone that goes ...
Good Luck to anyone that goes ...
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They are struggling, cant get the manpower cant get the ops staff. Same old story pay peanuts get monkeys.Two ex Saffaa ops yes men , no 777 time no ETOPS exp , not got the goods for writing the manuals. Not putting the money into the infrastructure and training .This outfit wont be a quality one mark my words .Dont mention the pay and contract to start with.
Good Luck to anyone that goes ...
Good Luck to anyone that goes ...
- You don’t know what VAustralia will be paying their crews – unless you have some inside information which you are jealously guarding.
- You obviously know absolutely nothing about the people the company has recruited to date. The company has sourced some highly experienced and very competent staff and your reference to “monkeys” is not only insulting but very indicative of how misinformed you actually are.
- The “Saffas” you so derogatorily refer to are both highly qualified, experienced and extremely competent airline pilots.
They both have extensive ETOPS experience.
True – they have no B777 experience but having flown B737 / B738 / A300 / A340 / B747 and B744, I am sure that they are not going to find the conversion too difficult. How many B787 / A380 qualified pilots are floating around – does this mean that there is no one qualified to fill the management posts in the companies that buy these aircraft??????????????
· “Not got the goods for writing manuals” – that statement is a clear indication of how ignorant you actually are about the people you have chosen to write so derogatorily about. Both of these gentlemen have demonstrated a far better than average ability to research, compile and maintain flight operations manuals. A number of their training and operations documents and manuals have been extensively used by a number of carriers. I suggest you do some research before you decide to make derogatory remarks about people you obviously know nothing about. I challenge you to qualify your statements.
· As for your remark about the quality of the operation – I have no doubt that you are going to be eating your words. I am sure that given the type of operation / the type of aircraft that are going to be flown and the basing, there will be no shortage of well qualified pilots who would be more than willing to work for VAustralia.
I feel certain that they are not going to have to scrape the bottom of the barrel by employing people who sit on the sideline making unfounded, fundamentally flawed statements and who rather than being enthusiastic about the start up of a company which has the potential to offer great prospects to a large number of pilots, would rather embark on a campaign of negativity.
Get down to Lan Kwai Fong / Wan Chai and look around at people enjoying themselves. It might encourage you to see the doughnut rather than the hole.
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180k to 210k includes super for Captain.
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No real conditions outlined, find out at interview or job start.
Sounds like an insiders response Wirefly? Tell us what the pay and conditions are since you seem to know so mush!
What I can say is that the new flight ops management are going to learn the hard way about what its like to work in management at the so called organisation. Let them work it out for themselves, don't want to spoil the surprise guy's, suffice to say in the not too distant future you will be pulling your hair out.
One thing I do agree with "Good Luck to anyone that goes ..."
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No real conditions outlined, find out at interview or job start.
Sounds like an insiders response Wirefly? Tell us what the pay and conditions are since you seem to know so mush!
What I can say is that the new flight ops management are going to learn the hard way about what its like to work in management at the so called organisation. Let them work it out for themselves, don't want to spoil the surprise guy's, suffice to say in the not too distant future you will be pulling your hair out.
One thing I do agree with "Good Luck to anyone that goes ...
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Sounds like an insiders response Wirefly? Tell us what the pay and conditions are since you seem to know so mush!
As to my post being an insider's response - the details posted can hardly be classified as "inside information". The information on VAustralia is freely available. Anyone with any contacts in South African aviation circles would be able to give the same information on the genetlemen concerned.
I certainly don't purport to know it all but do try to do some research rather post "mush".
I don't have any further information at this point in time though - sorry to disappoint you.Any pilot who considers him / herself to be a professional would most certainly wish a start up organisation and those fortunate enough (or with enough b*%&s) to join it, the best of luck (without being tongue in cheek).
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no 777 time no ETOPS exp , not got the goods for writing the manuals
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Both have documents published world wide.
Both have operated 120 minutes ETOPS and One of them 180 minutes ETOPS.
The ETOPS operations they were involved in were audited by ICAO and STAR ALLIANCE.
It is amazing that so many go off half cocked and never let facts get in the way of good mud sling and half truths!!!
Have a nice day
Both have documents published world wide.
Both have operated 120 minutes ETOPS and One of them 180 minutes ETOPS.
The ETOPS operations they were involved in were audited by ICAO and STAR ALLIANCE.
It is amazing that so many go off half cocked and never let facts get in the way of good mud sling and half truths!!!
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They are struggling, cant get the manpower cant get the ops staff. Same old story pay peanuts get monkeys.Two ex Saffaa ops yes men , no 777 time no ETOPS exp , not got the goods for writing the manuals. Not putting the money into the infrastructure and training .This outfit wont be a quality one mark my words .Dont mention the pay and contract to start with.
Good Luck to anyone that goes ...
Good Luck to anyone that goes ...
you are out of line. You are certainly entitled to your opinion regarding the prospects of VOz. You are even entitled to comment on a package about which you actually have no information.
What you are NOT entitled to do is unfairly accuse and belittle people about who you obviously know NOTHING.
You accuse these two "SAFFAS" of being "yes men". On what do you base this accusation?
You state clearly that they have no ETOPS experience. Your source of information has kept you VERY poorly informed. Both these pilots have more ETOPS experience than would be required by any Company involved in ETOPS operations.
As for your statement about their ability to compile manuals, you could not be further off the mark if you tried. There are certainly many other pilots with similar skills but few who are more adept at compiling training and operations manuals and material.
"Not putting money into infrastructure and training" - wow that is a broad statment given that the VOz website tells you clearly that they have BOUGHT 6 B777s and have one on lease with an option to buy. They have also bought their own simulator. They have not started training so who knows how much training they are prepared to provide.
So you have also seen the contract and payscales - pray share these with the rest of us mere mortals.
If you had the strength of your convictions you would elaborate on your statements. If you don't - show what you are made of and print an apology (or don't).
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enough is enough
This thread started out in a respectful manner with valid questions which some of us would like to read informative responses to. It quickly degenerated into a pathetic personnel attack on others just like the pages of tripe on the above mentioned company in another forum. If you feel the urge to sprout rubbish go do it elsewhere and let those who want to read constructive replies do so in peace.
First officer (cruise pilot) interviews start 3rd March through to 11th April in capital cities and HK so I have been told cheers
First officer (cruise pilot) interviews start 3rd March through to 11th April in capital cities and HK so I have been told cheers
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I certainly don't purport to know it all but do try to do some research rather post "mush".
Do some research? What I posted is all true! They will be pulling their hair out in the not too distant future. Have friends that have worked in V management over the past seven years.
And the pay and bond is true too. I hope people come flocking to this job. Also heard contract pilots will not be given staff travel on VB domestic, makes for commuting to sunny BNE or CG very hard! Enjoy living in SYD on the FO pay scale with a family. You guys can have it. By the way, enjoy eating your meal out of a card board box over the pacific. Don't think that you will be given business class food from the cart, the accountant won't allow it, trust me! Not being negative, this will happen, mark my words!
Do some research? What I posted is all true! They will be pulling their hair out in the not too distant future. Have friends that have worked in V management over the past seven years.
And the pay and bond is true too. I hope people come flocking to this job. Also heard contract pilots will not be given staff travel on VB domestic, makes for commuting to sunny BNE or CG very hard! Enjoy living in SYD on the FO pay scale with a family. You guys can have it. By the way, enjoy eating your meal out of a card board box over the pacific. Don't think that you will be given business class food from the cart, the accountant won't allow it, trust me! Not being negative, this will happen, mark my words!
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Skystar320,
Two of my mates up here one who got the call in Dec and one who got the call in Jan, were told those figures(180k-210k) were inclusive of super!! Were you told something else in your phone call?
Two of my mates up here one who got the call in Dec and one who got the call in Jan, were told those figures(180k-210k) were inclusive of super!! Were you told something else in your phone call?
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What staff travel conditions did they indicate to you during your call??
A mate of mine asked the question and was told you can expect the same staff travel conditions as VB crew get "including Virgin Atlantic and Emirates". If you were told something else, they may have moved the goal post already
What staff travel conditions did they indicate to you during your call??
A mate of mine asked the question and was told you can expect the same staff travel conditions as VB crew get "including Virgin Atlantic and Emirates". If you were told something else, they may have moved the goal post already
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just wondering....where are you guys getting this crazy stuff?
Bonds, travel, 'a mate said.....'.
.....strange, when in reality, all we received was a call from their HR company with limited info available, because it was simply Human Capital agency, contracted to shortlist us on behalf of VA.
Bonds, travel, 'a mate said.....'.
.....strange, when in reality, all we received was a call from their HR company with limited info available, because it was simply Human Capital agency, contracted to shortlist us on behalf of VA.
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So I have had the telephone contact now and the details that the nice lady had to hand were:
Senior First Officer: $110 - $130,000 per year with super INCLUSIVE
Captain: $180 - $210,000 per year with super INCLUSIVE
Looking to have the first face to face interviews in March after the short listing process is complete. The second interview will incluse physcometric testing and sim test. They have had the 777 simulator delivered in the last week or so, they want the first flight crew to being work and training in May 2008 with flights starting as soon as able. All crew will be on INDIVIDUAL contracts employed directly by V Australia. So that was the info given to me in my 5 minute chat.
Senior First Officer: $110 - $130,000 per year with super INCLUSIVE
Captain: $180 - $210,000 per year with super INCLUSIVE
Looking to have the first face to face interviews in March after the short listing process is complete. The second interview will incluse physcometric testing and sim test. They have had the 777 simulator delivered in the last week or so, they want the first flight crew to being work and training in May 2008 with flights starting as soon as able. All crew will be on INDIVIDUAL contracts employed directly by V Australia. So that was the info given to me in my 5 minute chat.
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Enjoy the Job boys.FO 110-130 including super, for a 777. What a joke.
Enjoy your dinner out of card board box across the Pacific. Cant wait to see the accommodation in LA. This is going to be a laugh. Just ask your mates who work at Vb, they will give you the drum. You can have it! With all this in mind, can't wait to see the crz FO's pay and conditions.
Please don't winge in 12 months time, you have been warned!
Email.
Got the email stating cruise F/O slots have been shortlisted, senior F/O and Captain to be shortlisted later on. As i applied for cruise relief i guess i've been looked over. Must say i'm a little let down. At close to 3k hrs with half of that multi crew turbine i thought i'd be in with a shot. Guess not. Must have been alot of interest in the V-OZ kick off is all i can say, with the pay not an issue.
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First Officer (Cruise Pilot)??
Is this just a fancy name for a Second Officer so those that take the job can say they are an F/O, or is VOz having second Officers also?
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So, now that those shortlisted for cruise FO have been notified. It would be interesting to hear from anyone who has recieved an interview and what experience and hours those people have.
Anyone care to share??
Anyone care to share??