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I have had 6 friends all have interviews lately, none successful. Hour’s ranging from 2000TT to 4500TT with more than 500 ME C under the IFR, some with turbine.
Danaero, I would suggest your friends were unsuccessful because they didn't meet the minimum required standard (sim, interview, referee check or all of the above). Otherwise, they would have been placed on the hold file (if no positions were currently available).
Experience is not, IMHO, a reliable yardstick as to one's likelihood of passing a recruitment session. I've seen applicants with less than 1000hrs operate the sim to a higher standard than some with several thousand hours under their belts. The same applies on the line.
For example - Sometimes having thousands of hours is of little benefit when the applicant has been poorly trained from the outset, and has used those thousands of hours reinforcing poorly learned techniques......... That was something that became increasingly prevalent in recent years. I had a theory that it was partly a result from the brain drain of experienced IFR instructors from GA. This statement is not directed at you or your friends, but merely a general observation.
Getting back on the subject. I've observed applicants who were notably proficient in the sim miss out at the interview, and vice-versa.
Some applicants minimise their chances of missing out by preparing for the session with some real sim practice (not that thing in the city) and interview coaching. Sometimes you have to spend a dollar to make a dollar.
Good luck with your decision.
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hugh arse,
how do you know if there is even a hold file? i too went through the direct entry process late august and kept in touch with 5 others who went through it all....not one of us got put on a hold file, all were told to apply again in 6 months...
i pose the question...is there any people or people know of people who had been offered a position (direct entry) within the last 2 months?
i dont believe there has been anyone....
cheers
how do you know if there is even a hold file? i too went through the direct entry process late august and kept in touch with 5 others who went through it all....not one of us got put on a hold file, all were told to apply again in 6 months...
i pose the question...is there any people or people know of people who had been offered a position (direct entry) within the last 2 months?
i dont believe there has been anyone....
cheers
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Hi Chuck,
For the whole 14 years I worked there, there was always a hold file. Perhaps it's changed now that there suddenly is an unquenchable supply of suitable applicants....
One possible reason for no DE pilots have been hired is because of the bonding associated with the trainee/cadetship. DE pilots are very "portable", and less likely to stick around long-term whereas trainee/cadets are more likely to stay (for a while).
For the whole 14 years I worked there, there was always a hold file. Perhaps it's changed now that there suddenly is an unquenchable supply of suitable applicants....
One possible reason for no DE pilots have been hired is because of the bonding associated with the trainee/cadetship. DE pilots are very "portable", and less likely to stick around long-term whereas trainee/cadets are more likely to stay (for a while).
Don't worry be happy
Krusty: Continue to stuff people around. What do they care.
They do care. They want to give you the job. Trust me...You just have to prove to them you want it. From my experience the recruitment process is extremely thorough. Sometimes aviation is unpredictable and I guess Qlink are now dealing with this change as best they can. Just be patient my friend....in the meantime go get some valuable hours and like Hugh Jarse noted perhaps go get some real sim experience.
They do care. They want to give you the job. Trust me...You just have to prove to them you want it. From my experience the recruitment process is extremely thorough. Sometimes aviation is unpredictable and I guess Qlink are now dealing with this change as best they can. Just be patient my friend....in the meantime go get some valuable hours and like Hugh Jarse noted perhaps go get some real sim experience.
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DE pilots are very "portable", and less likely to stick around long-term whereas trainee/cadets are more likely to stay (for a while).
Thanks for the encourageing words 'Bandit, but it was more or less a rhetorical statement.
Some years ago, after recieving an automated Email that stated QFLink, "following worlds best practice", now require all candidates to have a Dash 8 endorsement, (at that time the cost was around $18K!) I promptly withdrew my application. I had in fact moved on since years before when I originally submitted it. Since then I have been following their antics with some interest. The aforementioned behaviour was at a time when pilot supply was still realatively bouyant, but even then blind freddy could see the storm approaching. It was just another way for some short sighted manger (term used loosley) to earn some kudos and increase the size of his or her bonus! It is behaviour like this that has led to the profession being in the state that it is today.
Be under no illusion mate. The leapord has it's spots well and truely intact. Instead of dealing with the pilot supply problem long term, QFLink (and they are certainly not alone, ie: REX) are merely attempting to engage a workforce that will gladly accept lower conditions than what the current and future market demands.
It is this shortsighted, easy option "solution" that has led us to this point today. As soon as the game shifts into another direction, they will just as quickly reneg on any "agreement" if it suits their short term goals.
Trust me, they do not care!!!
Some years ago, after recieving an automated Email that stated QFLink, "following worlds best practice", now require all candidates to have a Dash 8 endorsement, (at that time the cost was around $18K!) I promptly withdrew my application. I had in fact moved on since years before when I originally submitted it. Since then I have been following their antics with some interest. The aforementioned behaviour was at a time when pilot supply was still realatively bouyant, but even then blind freddy could see the storm approaching. It was just another way for some short sighted manger (term used loosley) to earn some kudos and increase the size of his or her bonus! It is behaviour like this that has led to the profession being in the state that it is today.
Be under no illusion mate. The leapord has it's spots well and truely intact. Instead of dealing with the pilot supply problem long term, QFLink (and they are certainly not alone, ie: REX) are merely attempting to engage a workforce that will gladly accept lower conditions than what the current and future market demands.
It is this shortsighted, easy option "solution" that has led us to this point today. As soon as the game shifts into another direction, they will just as quickly reneg on any "agreement" if it suits their short term goals.
Trust me, they do not care!!!
You know Semperfy you're right. What was I thinking.
I'm going out today and buy the biggest jar of vaseline I can find.
I'm going out today and buy the biggest jar of vaseline I can find.
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Brilliant! And most likely lost on most in here..
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You have already expressed your views and displeasure at the state of the industry / management / life / [insert new reason to be pissed off here] literally hundreds of times already on just about every thread in the forums. We get it already, we all get it, we really do.
Offer something constructive, move on if you hate it that much, or give the broken record a rest.
Offer something constructive, move on if you hate it that much, or give the broken record a rest.
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The fact Qlink just offered 20 FO positions to South African pilots isn't going to help you guys get a start date. I'm very surprised they've actually gone ahead with this considered the downturn in general recruitment by other airlines.
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Not when given the option to go to mainline after 2 years like they were all saying during the roadshows. Most of the prospective trainee applicants were more interested about when they could go to mainline than ask questions about Qantaslink.
So it is actually more difficult to transfer to Mainline via the QL "internal transfer" process, compared to somebody applying directly from, say REX.
That's why most QL pilots reapply externally.
Dragun, if your information is correct, I suspect the 20 Yarpies would possibly be very experienced, and targeted for fast-track commands (bypassing seniority). This is considering there are less than a handful of "upgradeable" FO's in the company (NSW/VIC). That would explain everything.
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I recently had a talk with someone who couldn't be anymore in the know about whats happening in the future with the qantaslink traineeship.. and the word is that although hiring for the traineeship has recently slowed down, it will again pick up in a big way. It was also mentioned that some of the successful applicants will be asked to instruct for a period of time before entering employment with qlink. There were no dates or numbers mentioned, but I was told by this someone to "watch this space".
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Dragun, if your information is correct, I suspect the 20 Yarpies would possibly be very experienced, and targeted for fast-track commands (bypassing seniority). This is considering there are less than a handful of "upgradeable" FO's in the company (NSW/VIC). That would explain everything.
The figure is closer to 5 AFAIK.
Yes, the one's I know are very experienced with 5000+ Hrs TT and upto 3000 Hrs Dash 8 300/Q400 time (Left Seat included...)
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20 positions offered. Will be interesting to see how many accept. Also these dudes could have 5billion hours but they still go to the bottom of the list. Possibility of some angst when there are no current FO's in the southern states with the experience requirements for command and one of these guys bypasses them. Petrol on the fire....
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Also these dudes could have 5billion hours but they still go to the bottom of the list.
Possibility of some angst when there are no current FO's in the southern states with the experience requirements for command and one of these guys bypasses them.
For those of us outside the company could any of you share the company experience requirements for command? I take it it would be similar to Rex, Ie 2000hrs TT on top of ATPL, 500 multi command under IFR etc......
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These are the requirements:
1. You must meet all regulatory requirements;
2. 2000hrs aeronautical experience;
3. 700hrs experience as an FO on company aircraft;
4. A minimum of 1 year company experience.
** The Mgr Flt Ops or his delegate may vary 2,3 and 4.
ATPL aeronautical experience requirements may be completed during promotion training.
and of course the right number on the seniority list
1. You must meet all regulatory requirements;
2. 2000hrs aeronautical experience;
3. 700hrs experience as an FO on company aircraft;
4. A minimum of 1 year company experience.
** The Mgr Flt Ops or his delegate may vary 2,3 and 4.
ATPL aeronautical experience requirements may be completed during promotion training.
and of course the right number on the seniority list