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There is no minimum requirement once you are a captain as far as I'm aware. You apply for the internal vacancy and are assessed on an individual basis.
Captains don't want training positions because to date, the remuneration hasn't been worth the extra work and responsibility.
Yes, there is a lack of training captains and this will affect recruits across the board, not just trainees. Remember, your base may be allocated in accordance with finding a training slot.
Captains don't want training positions because to date, the remuneration hasn't been worth the extra work and responsibility.
Yes, there is a lack of training captains and this will affect recruits across the board, not just trainees. Remember, your base may be allocated in accordance with finding a training slot.
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hey
have got around 400TT, atpls and MECIR..how long before you hear from qlink on average? how many courses are they running per year anyway?
cheers newagebird
have got around 400TT, atpls and MECIR..how long before you hear from qlink on average? how many courses are they running per year anyway?
cheers newagebird
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"how long before you hear from qlink on average? how many courses are they running per year anyway?"
Hi newagebird,
I've had friends not hear for more than a month or two. whilst others have heard within the week. I supose it just depends on when you applied in relation to where they are up to in the cycle of acceptance/interviews etc.
I can't answer how many courses they are going to run, but they have been running one a month thus far. 14 per course at the moment. Study up on your IFR stuff before you go to the interview (assuming you get the call).
Bort.
Hi newagebird,
I've had friends not hear for more than a month or two. whilst others have heard within the week. I supose it just depends on when you applied in relation to where they are up to in the cycle of acceptance/interviews etc.
I can't answer how many courses they are going to run, but they have been running one a month thus far. 14 per course at the moment. Study up on your IFR stuff before you go to the interview (assuming you get the call).
Bort.
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What qualifications are QL looking for? ATPL or M/E CIR???
Hi guys,
Long time since I've checked this thread so I had a read last night. After thinking about some of the questions and comments I decided to post some POSSIBLE answers to some of your questions, mostly concerning what qualifications are more important - M/E-CIR or completed ATPLs. These are not confirmed ideas by anyone just POSSIBLE answers. Apologies for the length of the thread but if you're not interested in the traineeship then you wouldn't be reading this, would you?
When I went through the interview process in the first week of April there had not been anyone interviewed to the best of my knowledge that did not have a M/E-CIR, current or not. Many people including 4 out of 5 on the day I was interviewed did not have ATPLs finished. Since then I have learned that a friend I did an aviation degree with was offered a position with complete ATPL theory but with no ME experience or CIR. He was offered the position about a month ago and he APPEARS to be the first non-CIR pilot to be accepted.
When offered a position in the traineeship without ATPLs or CIR, QL will pay for a portion of the training required to get you to both the M/E-CIR and ATPL theory level. I was given $2000 to finish my remaining ATPLs.
(This was under a conditional offer of 4 months, after which the offer expires)
I would suggest that the CIR pilots without complete ATPL theory were offered positions over Non-CIR pilots with complete ATPL theory first because of the significant difference in the cost for QL to finance the completion of ATPL theory against the cost of a M/E-CIR.
The friend of mine refered to earlier is about to begin his initial M/E edorsement and M/E-CIR in a brand new Kingair C90 at GFS. The estimated cost is in the order of $40,0000. I am not 100% sure as to how much of this QL will be paying for but i believe it is close to the full cost. He is completing the M/E-CIR training before starting the traineeship.
As for the question of do you have to pay for the traineeship if you are not offered a position as a F/O at the end of the program or are terminated before the end of you traineeship I've made an observation below......
I would expect that some if not all of the money would have to be repaid under some payment program with QL. If this does not turn out to be the case I would expect almost all trainees will be offered a position as F/Os at the end of the program. QL aren't planning on handing out $40,000 training packages for the hell of it. Their selecton process is designed to see the best candidates get through so they don't accept and invest in candidates who don't have the skills and knowledge to complete the program and then qualify for a position as a F/O.
So what is most important to demonstrate during the selection process you ask? From my experience and the information I was given at the interview they are looking for candidates who display good IFR skills in the sim flight to the standard of a qualified M/E-CIR pilot. YOU MUST DISPLAY YOU HAVE THE REQUIRED SKILLS TO START THE PROGRAM - the program is designed to take you from this level to the direct entry standard through an accelerated program, then on to endorsement training. Despit what some people have said I CAN confirm that the standard is the same for IFR and VRF pilots, so go and do a few hours of IFR flight in the sim at your flying school with your instructor, especially a few ILS approaches if you've never done one.
I only have 75 Hrs IFR and I found the sim flight relatively easy. Fly the numbers and it will work out fine.
You also must display to them that you pick up any mistakes and that your standard of flying progresses throughout the flight. Its amazing to see how fast this happens when a decent job is on the table.
The candidates who didn't get through in my group were those who didn't do well in the sim. From out discussion after the interviws were finished were all pretty well even pegged in the interview, however if you display the wrong characteristics, its home to wait for rejection letter for you.
For more information on what the interview entales see my post on page 12. It is very informative.
One other question that caught my eye is the concern for the high number of training captains required to sign off such a large number of relatively inexperienced pilots.......
When I was in sydney for the interview our group was told by Nathan Jaffan that the traineeship is not just to facilitate QL with a flood of F/Os, but is also to allow current F/Os with the requirements for command, to step up into these positions relatively quickly once the trainees are on-line with QL. Nathan also mentioned to the group that they expect that the trainees that stand out from the bulk of the group will be offered command positions within 18months - 2 years subject to them meeting all the requirements for the position. It is important to note here that QL is taking delivery of 12 Q400s mid 2008, with options to purchase another 12. This will require as many new captains as new F/Os.
It is also my understanding that the line training is conducted as an approved training course as per CARs, and a line check is conducted at the end of the training, after which time the pilot may fly on-line as a fully fledged F/O. Maybe someone in Sydney curently doing there line training could confirm or elaborate on that?
It is interesting to note that one of the sim instructors requested to train the trainees was a Qantas Cadet who finished his training at GFS around the same time as me in 2007. I believe he is delivering ground school for the dash8 and company ops. however I haven't confirmed that yet.
Again, my apologies for the length of the thread. Please don't give me a hard time about it. After all we are here to share information about the topic and I've taken the time to do it for your benifit. I've already been offered the position and gone throught the process, and I just want to see as many people as possible get the same chance as me.
I hope eveyone is getting the news they want to be, and i hope everyone currently in the program is enjoying it.
If anyone has any other ideas or POSSIBLE answers to these questions, impart them to the wider audience please!!!!!
Jackson
Long time since I've checked this thread so I had a read last night. After thinking about some of the questions and comments I decided to post some POSSIBLE answers to some of your questions, mostly concerning what qualifications are more important - M/E-CIR or completed ATPLs. These are not confirmed ideas by anyone just POSSIBLE answers. Apologies for the length of the thread but if you're not interested in the traineeship then you wouldn't be reading this, would you?
When I went through the interview process in the first week of April there had not been anyone interviewed to the best of my knowledge that did not have a M/E-CIR, current or not. Many people including 4 out of 5 on the day I was interviewed did not have ATPLs finished. Since then I have learned that a friend I did an aviation degree with was offered a position with complete ATPL theory but with no ME experience or CIR. He was offered the position about a month ago and he APPEARS to be the first non-CIR pilot to be accepted.
When offered a position in the traineeship without ATPLs or CIR, QL will pay for a portion of the training required to get you to both the M/E-CIR and ATPL theory level. I was given $2000 to finish my remaining ATPLs.
(This was under a conditional offer of 4 months, after which the offer expires)
I would suggest that the CIR pilots without complete ATPL theory were offered positions over Non-CIR pilots with complete ATPL theory first because of the significant difference in the cost for QL to finance the completion of ATPL theory against the cost of a M/E-CIR.
The friend of mine refered to earlier is about to begin his initial M/E edorsement and M/E-CIR in a brand new Kingair C90 at GFS. The estimated cost is in the order of $40,0000. I am not 100% sure as to how much of this QL will be paying for but i believe it is close to the full cost. He is completing the M/E-CIR training before starting the traineeship.
As for the question of do you have to pay for the traineeship if you are not offered a position as a F/O at the end of the program or are terminated before the end of you traineeship I've made an observation below......
I would expect that some if not all of the money would have to be repaid under some payment program with QL. If this does not turn out to be the case I would expect almost all trainees will be offered a position as F/Os at the end of the program. QL aren't planning on handing out $40,000 training packages for the hell of it. Their selecton process is designed to see the best candidates get through so they don't accept and invest in candidates who don't have the skills and knowledge to complete the program and then qualify for a position as a F/O.
So what is most important to demonstrate during the selection process you ask? From my experience and the information I was given at the interview they are looking for candidates who display good IFR skills in the sim flight to the standard of a qualified M/E-CIR pilot. YOU MUST DISPLAY YOU HAVE THE REQUIRED SKILLS TO START THE PROGRAM - the program is designed to take you from this level to the direct entry standard through an accelerated program, then on to endorsement training. Despit what some people have said I CAN confirm that the standard is the same for IFR and VRF pilots, so go and do a few hours of IFR flight in the sim at your flying school with your instructor, especially a few ILS approaches if you've never done one.
I only have 75 Hrs IFR and I found the sim flight relatively easy. Fly the numbers and it will work out fine.
You also must display to them that you pick up any mistakes and that your standard of flying progresses throughout the flight. Its amazing to see how fast this happens when a decent job is on the table.
The candidates who didn't get through in my group were those who didn't do well in the sim. From out discussion after the interviws were finished were all pretty well even pegged in the interview, however if you display the wrong characteristics, its home to wait for rejection letter for you.
For more information on what the interview entales see my post on page 12. It is very informative.
One other question that caught my eye is the concern for the high number of training captains required to sign off such a large number of relatively inexperienced pilots.......
When I was in sydney for the interview our group was told by Nathan Jaffan that the traineeship is not just to facilitate QL with a flood of F/Os, but is also to allow current F/Os with the requirements for command, to step up into these positions relatively quickly once the trainees are on-line with QL. Nathan also mentioned to the group that they expect that the trainees that stand out from the bulk of the group will be offered command positions within 18months - 2 years subject to them meeting all the requirements for the position. It is important to note here that QL is taking delivery of 12 Q400s mid 2008, with options to purchase another 12. This will require as many new captains as new F/Os.
It is also my understanding that the line training is conducted as an approved training course as per CARs, and a line check is conducted at the end of the training, after which time the pilot may fly on-line as a fully fledged F/O. Maybe someone in Sydney curently doing there line training could confirm or elaborate on that?
It is interesting to note that one of the sim instructors requested to train the trainees was a Qantas Cadet who finished his training at GFS around the same time as me in 2007. I believe he is delivering ground school for the dash8 and company ops. however I haven't confirmed that yet.
Again, my apologies for the length of the thread. Please don't give me a hard time about it. After all we are here to share information about the topic and I've taken the time to do it for your benifit. I've already been offered the position and gone throught the process, and I just want to see as many people as possible get the same chance as me.
I hope eveyone is getting the news they want to be, and i hope everyone currently in the program is enjoying it.
If anyone has any other ideas or POSSIBLE answers to these questions, impart them to the wider audience please!!!!!
Jackson
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Gfs Atpl
Just wanted to give some info to clear up something I read relating to the following quote.
"GFS has no resources for teaching ATPLs so that is why some candidates (those without ATPLs) are being given conditional entry to the traineeship."
As a past student of GFS, (especially non biased, based on the hrly rates they charge) I can vouch that GFS have the resources (however stretched those rescorces may be) to teach, and indeed do run ATPL classes for all ATPL subjects.
Studying ATPLs at GFS is based on the swinburne university schedule, which is 4 ATPL subjects per year split into two semesters. The swinburne degree is loaded with loads of other subjects and requirements and it is impractacle to study only ATPLs at any one stage in the degree.
As for Qantas Trainees with a 4 MONTH conditional offer it is not possible to complete all, or even one ATPL class at GFS in 4 months, so there is certain truth to what Bort Simpson said.
No bad intentions Bort, Just wanted to clear that up.
Jackson
"GFS has no resources for teaching ATPLs so that is why some candidates (those without ATPLs) are being given conditional entry to the traineeship."
As a past student of GFS, (especially non biased, based on the hrly rates they charge) I can vouch that GFS have the resources (however stretched those rescorces may be) to teach, and indeed do run ATPL classes for all ATPL subjects.
Studying ATPLs at GFS is based on the swinburne university schedule, which is 4 ATPL subjects per year split into two semesters. The swinburne degree is loaded with loads of other subjects and requirements and it is impractacle to study only ATPLs at any one stage in the degree.
As for Qantas Trainees with a 4 MONTH conditional offer it is not possible to complete all, or even one ATPL class at GFS in 4 months, so there is certain truth to what Bort Simpson said.
No bad intentions Bort, Just wanted to clear that up.
Jackson
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QantasLink Online Psych testing??
Gday people,
I put a Qlink application in a few weeks ago and got an email back requesting an online psych test. Anybody done an online test yet? Just want to know what to expect.
Thanks guys
I put a Qlink application in a few weeks ago and got an email back requesting an online psych test. Anybody done an online test yet? Just want to know what to expect.
Thanks guys
Has been covered on other threads - search could be your friend but here it is anyway -
Some examples off the QF website - http://www.qantas.com.au/infodetail/...ent/QTests.pdf
Tests are conducted by a company called SHL - google them and there are practice online tests there as well.
Some examples off the QF website - http://www.qantas.com.au/infodetail/...ent/QTests.pdf
Tests are conducted by a company called SHL - google them and there are practice online tests there as well.
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The friend of mine refered to earlier is about to begin his initial M/E edorsement and M/E-CIR in a brand new Kingair C90 at GFS. The estimated cost is in the order of $40,0000.
Erm I hope there is one too many zeros in that figure!
Even so 40k....wtf?
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Thanks puff,
Im aware of all that, but as of recent, only a week or so ago, the psyke testing component is done via the internet. Just wanted to see if anyone has done an online test yet, and what the G O is.
Im aware of all that, but as of recent, only a week or so ago, the psyke testing component is done via the internet. Just wanted to see if anyone has done an online test yet, and what the G O is.
Hmmm, would expect a kingair 90 to be just under 2k / hr
So that would be a little more than 20, which doesn't sound right for an initial and a CIR (CIR would have to be 20hrs, initial I would expect around 10 depending on his capability)
So that would be a little more than 20, which doesn't sound right for an initial and a CIR (CIR would have to be 20hrs, initial I would expect around 10 depending on his capability)
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Well its changed now apparently, caus I applied for direct entry F/O and got an email requesting an online psych test.
Sorry I should have said from the start that it was for DE not cadet.
Sorry I should have said from the start that it was for DE not cadet.
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Just curious to know if anyone who applied at the beginning of May have heard anything back yet? Also, why is it that some people hear back within a week and for others it takes months? I know this has probably been answered before but this thread is HUGE! Ta 
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The guy that did the Roadshow Chris Torta told us it takes him a long time to sort through all the apps...he is the only one doing it! I applied initially in April and only just got a Psych test email. He also told us no news is good news...if they didn't want to keep your app in the system, they would have let you know about it earlier.
Cheers, PA
Cheers, PA