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Old 7th Jan 2008, 21:39
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WillOK - I would guess many many more thousands than you'd expect, and not as many consultants as you'd expect for the number of thousands they paid...
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Old 8th Jan 2008, 00:40
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Thumbs up Asic / Msic.

Have any of you asked why your ASIC is valid for two years and the MSIC (Marine) which I hold is valid for five?

I know ships are slower than aircraft but ?????!!!!!!!................
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Old 8th Jan 2008, 00:50
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There's no need to ask dmussen, we know why. Its all about ripping the most money from us as possible, renewal fees every 2 years instead of 5... you bet!

I bet the MISC would be every 2 years if they introduced it today. (Either that or pilots don't have a strong union to stand up for them and demand 5 year renewals!)
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Old 8th Jan 2008, 01:00
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Well I posted my SPL/ASIC application in late november or early december...
Got the SPL, still waiting on the ASIC..
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Old 8th Jan 2008, 05:48
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Thumbs up Asic/msic

Try telling everyone to Jack Up with DOTARS or whatever they call themselves these days. Parity is hard to argue against. Keep the basta#ds honest.
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Old 8th Jan 2008, 07:34
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The red background on an airline ID card has always indicated airside acess, well before ASICs came into being.

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Old 8th Jan 2008, 09:39
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My 10 cents!

I used Aviation ID again last year for a renewal. Posted the papers 30 Nov, received new ASIC before Christmas.

Good service in 2005 and again in 2007.


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Old 8th Jan 2008, 23:03
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Via the good Dr's- Cretins Against………………

Initial Issue- previous expiry OCT 03.

5 weeks during Nov-Dec 07.

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Old 9th Jan 2008, 08:46
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Posted my application today, for an INITIAL ISSUE.
Race you to the finish.................................
Mine should be easy, I have allready been cheked by the FEDS for Child Abuse, before I could become a volunteer driver for the local community.
Yesterday (after 10 days) I got my TOW TRUCK drivers authority, that means I am NOT A STANDOVER THUG.
Surely THEY will let me on the other side of the airport fence to DRIVE an aeroplane. We will see.
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Old 9th Jan 2008, 21:32
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3 months to get a heavy vehicle DG licence security check. Being the current holder of an ASIC cuts no ice. Security check for DG licence valid for 3 years ASIC valid for 2 years
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Old 9th Jan 2008, 21:52
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ASIC - the greatest con job

I will say it again for the people that missed it....21 million PASSENGERS carted into and out of AUSTRALIA last year by the BIGGEST PLANES that make the BIGGEST HOLES......NO ASIC...NO AFP CHECK...NO ASIO CHECK...NO DOTARS CHECK...NO CASA CHECK....NO $$$$$$$$$$$$

..just a plain simple COMPANY issued $5 ID card of any shape or form....

who is being !!!!!
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Old 9th Jan 2008, 22:14
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WELL - having reviewed the posts I suspect we missed the implications which makes the CASA Vs ID Australia argument irrelevant.

Couple of weeks ago 185skywagon suggested ID Australia might handle ALL the actual processing so that CASA was no more than a postal drop.

I sent my application to CASA. On Jan 7th my credit card was debitd $186.00, today my account shows it was debited to...Aviation ID Australia!

So when I get the card will it be in an ID Australia envelope?... or have CASA just given ID Australia a couple of boxes of CASA envelopes and said "go for it?"
Or in the best traditions of bureaucracy will it physically pass through the hands of CASA at both the start....and finish??

Any bets on the last option??
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Old 11th Jan 2008, 08:37
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"Galdian" CASA out source almost everything byn the sounds of it, inc COMMON SENSE !!!
I wouldn't be at all surprised if they did as you last mentioned, afterall who has the bigger 'stick' ? them or us ?

New meaning for CASA Clever And Stupid Afterall !!

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Old 11th Jan 2008, 09:05
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Issuing ASICs was never CASAs core business. It was probably lumped on them by the then DOTARS becuase CASA was seen as the organisation best able to service the pilot fraternity. The legendary farcical initial round of ASICs issued by them with the assistance of Chubb Security clearly showed they were not up to it and probably haven't been since.

For the sake of simplicity, CASA should just say - we are no longer an issuing authority and refer all pilots who would normally use them on to AviationID Australia. Remaining as a "middle man" in the applicaton process is only going to cause more delays, be more expensive and make things much more complicated than they really have to be.

The cost could be brought down significantly if Auscheck would, as previously suggested, make the clearances valid for 3 or even 5 years. They tend to waste a lot of time and money generating unnecessary paperwork and their much touted online system is still not up and running after it was hacked into about a week before launch date last August.
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Old 11th Jan 2008, 13:20
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Here is an idea....walk in and apply for a renewal...they type your customer number into a database and if the screen doesn't turn red you're issued with a new one for $20 which you exchange on the spot for your old one.

A renewal should not be any more complicated than renewing your drivers license...try that with 13 points/$1000 in outstanding traffic 'terrorism'.
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Old 11th Jan 2008, 13:41
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MMM-i told you so!!

Conspiracy theories abound.
I told you last year if it costs $150-00 for a worthless bit of plastic.
What will the price be in 10 ?.
Thanks Casa?
Politically incorrect information brought to you by the nice people at lets destroy all aviation in Aus.
Shortened - AKA - CASA
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Old 20th Jan 2008, 12:06
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Paperwork posted on January 5.

Credit card debited on January 16!

A indication of progress?

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Old 20th Jan 2008, 12:22
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A indication of progress?
Maybe more an indication that they have taken your money. Remember even if an adverse security finding was to come back. You still pay for the application.

I was having a think about how quick it could be done assuming an issuing authority had their own machine and sufficient staff to deal with applications as they were recieved. Assuming 2 days for mail each way for applicaton and return of card, AUSCHECK clearance, document administration I would be surpised if it could be done in under 2 weeks. Given the relative few that have the printing machines is a major factor that slows the process even those that do, like Aviation ID australia, are probably overwhlemed with the workload.

Chimbu's comment about the renewal being a simple database check is spot on but we will have to wait and see if the new Minister is going to listen to the industry and make some changes involving common sense. Some informal conversations I have had with the Department indicate that there will be some reviews of current requirements. I'm not holding my breath though that things will change quickly though.

The introduction of or the legislation enforcing the use of ASICs is nothing to do with CASA. They are merely an issuing authority.
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Old 26th Jan 2008, 06:08
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Probably a moot point now however reporting as requested, apparently my ASIC arrived Thursday Jan 24th in registered envelope from the CASA ASIC Renewal Team.
I am away and letter unopened however I am assuming it is the card; surely any questions they had would be sent ordinary post??

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Old 26th Jan 2008, 07:39
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Good one Galdian

Jan 7-24 = 17 days

I sent my paperwork on Jan 5 - still waiting!

If they find out I know Jaba bin Lower (see More Photos thread post #2445), I may be in strife!

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