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Coke Drinker.
That is correct. And given that about half of the $45k course fees are for ATPL groundschool I am sure you could think of better ways to spend $22k than on studying subjects that you have already studied for an passed.
Oddly however I wonder if application are seen as more competetive if some / all ATPL subjects have already been passed?
Biggles
That is correct. And given that about half of the $45k course fees are for ATPL groundschool I am sure you could think of better ways to spend $22k than on studying subjects that you have already studied for an passed.
Oddly however I wonder if application are seen as more competetive if some / all ATPL subjects have already been passed?
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Cdp,
I understand your predictament.
I too commenced a law degree and then opted for an aviation career.
I have never regretted my decision and have friends in the legal profession earning less and working much longer hours.
WRT Qantas pay. Initially it is between 70-100K for the first 18 months and then kicks up substantially to around 130-150K. As mentioned, it does depend on the fleet you are allocated to and the allowances that you save. I know guys who save $1000 per month (cash) in allowances alone. (I personally save $1 - hmmm).
Communting from Melbourne is easy. A very large number of guys do. You can use staff travel to fund the flying, however Qantas also allows you to offset paxing sectors to achieve this (long story). The point is, you will not be paying for every MEL -SYD-MEL trip, only occasional ones. (It gets easier the more senior you become).
My personal opinion , as was mentioned, is follow your heart. A qantas cadetship is a prized achievement. It is a much more attractive proposition than bashing around GA for 10 years earning 25K pa in clapped out C210s.
Hope some of this helps.
I understand your predictament.
I too commenced a law degree and then opted for an aviation career.
I have never regretted my decision and have friends in the legal profession earning less and working much longer hours.
WRT Qantas pay. Initially it is between 70-100K for the first 18 months and then kicks up substantially to around 130-150K. As mentioned, it does depend on the fleet you are allocated to and the allowances that you save. I know guys who save $1000 per month (cash) in allowances alone. (I personally save $1 - hmmm).
Communting from Melbourne is easy. A very large number of guys do. You can use staff travel to fund the flying, however Qantas also allows you to offset paxing sectors to achieve this (long story). The point is, you will not be paying for every MEL -SYD-MEL trip, only occasional ones. (It gets easier the more senior you become).
My personal opinion , as was mentioned, is follow your heart. A qantas cadetship is a prized achievement. It is a much more attractive proposition than bashing around GA for 10 years earning 25K pa in clapped out C210s.
Hope some of this helps.
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Hugh Gorgen and others, thanks for the helpful comments.
I guess there's no doubt that my heart is in it- I would rather fly jets for Qantas than be a lawyer; I still have fears about the economic situation and the coming peak oil problem. I guess I am worried that I might borrow a substantial sum of money for my Swinburne etc. training and then end up with a huge debt and no job in 2 or 3 years time.
Still, nobody has a crystal ball I guess...
I guess there's no doubt that my heart is in it- I would rather fly jets for Qantas than be a lawyer; I still have fears about the economic situation and the coming peak oil problem. I guess I am worried that I might borrow a substantial sum of money for my Swinburne etc. training and then end up with a huge debt and no job in 2 or 3 years time.
Still, nobody has a crystal ball I guess...
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CDP...that is the ridiculous part of all of these programmes. How you can run a cadet programme and not guarantee a job at the end of it is beyond me. I can understand incompetence on the student's part-but none, if any of them are incompetent!
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$22k than on studying subjects that you have already studied for an passed.
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Just got a pretty negative email from QANTAS regarding changes to all cadetships commencing in 2009. Did anyone else get this email?
Apparently, the changes affect all cadetships, regardless of type, commencing next year. Before you ask me to copy and paste, know that it was marked private and confidential, but I might be able to go into some more detail.
mins. (no thumbs up this time)
Apparently, the changes affect all cadetships, regardless of type, commencing next year. Before you ask me to copy and paste, know that it was marked private and confidential, but I might be able to go into some more detail.
mins. (no thumbs up this time)
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Biggles,
I am a cadet applicant, but have finished all of the stages and am pretty sure I am in. Essentially, in the email they give you the option of either continuing with the program, or withdrawing now.
mins
I am a cadet applicant, but have finished all of the stages and am pretty sure I am in. Essentially, in the email they give you the option of either continuing with the program, or withdrawing now.
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Hi Atmins
Congrats on getting this far.
Guess they figure that everyone has invested time and money in the selection process and do not want to offer places to applicants only for them to turn round and say sorry - can't take it because the future certainty of employment is not sufficient enough to justify the amount of investment required - which will have to be repaid regardless of future employment status. A debt with accruing interest with insufficient means to repay is a hard mountain to climb - not impossible but hard. Been there, done that, got the T-Shirt!!!
At least Qantas are being open with people about the situation and presenting the facts and allowing individuals to consider their options.
I would not expect you or anyone to break any confidences but without going into detail are their any major changes to the programme planned? - yes or no would be fine!! :-)
Good Luck with your deliberations.
Biggles
Congrats on getting this far.
Guess they figure that everyone has invested time and money in the selection process and do not want to offer places to applicants only for them to turn round and say sorry - can't take it because the future certainty of employment is not sufficient enough to justify the amount of investment required - which will have to be repaid regardless of future employment status. A debt with accruing interest with insufficient means to repay is a hard mountain to climb - not impossible but hard. Been there, done that, got the T-Shirt!!!
At least Qantas are being open with people about the situation and presenting the facts and allowing individuals to consider their options.
I would not expect you or anyone to break any confidences but without going into detail are their any major changes to the programme planned? - yes or no would be fine!! :-)
Good Luck with your deliberations.
Biggles
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QcPong,
I will be continuing. I have not come this far, and put this much work in only to throw in the towel at a stage so close to my goal. Hopefully, as you said, the industry will start to turn by the time I am finishing up my training.
Biggles - The changes relate to the CIPP, not really the cadetship itself. They are fairly significant and I am sure they will dissuade many applicants from continuing, probably those looking for a free ride into the back of a '380.
Thanks for the advice and encouragement.
mins
I will be continuing. I have not come this far, and put this much work in only to throw in the towel at a stage so close to my goal. Hopefully, as you said, the industry will start to turn by the time I am finishing up my training.
Biggles - The changes relate to the CIPP, not really the cadetship itself. They are fairly significant and I am sure they will dissuade many applicants from continuing, probably those looking for a free ride into the back of a '380.
Thanks for the advice and encouragement.
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I got the rejection letter today too. Had interview/medical on November 23... oh well, not to worry. I'm was happy to get through to the interview.
Does anyone know if I have to sit the psychometric/skills testing again if I applied in the future?
Does anyone know if I have to sit the psychometric/skills testing again if I applied in the future?
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Carambar if true, that would be very disappointing considering the cost of the selection process has set me back approximately $1000. I also heard this same rumor 3rd hand a few days ago but find it very hard to believe myself.
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Hey Ats
I have the same email this morning, I also am going to keep going with my application, would be crazy not too, its still an excellent oppertunity. Im normally not an impatient guy but I am definatly anxious to find out if I have made it in.
My references were called today so all that is left to do is wait.
Good luck with your application!!!
I have the same email this morning, I also am going to keep going with my application, would be crazy not too, its still an excellent oppertunity. Im normally not an impatient guy but I am definatly anxious to find out if I have made it in.
My references were called today so all that is left to do is wait.
Good luck with your application!!!
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Not 100% sure. But heard people were receiving letters saying mid-yr MIGHT go ahead, but March intake has been cancelled.
Very disappointing indeed, but still hopeful for some people in August.
Very disappointing indeed, but still hopeful for some people in August.
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Just to clarify the situation for those concerned. The March '09 course has been canned, there may be a mid-year course, recruitment will conduct a review in May '09 to see if they will have one or not. The cadetship has been changed dramatically for possible future courses. CIPP is now for a minimum of 2 years, YOU now have to find your own job, Qantas will not do this for you. You also will have to undergo an abridged direct entry testing now after completion of CIPPS before you are taken on as a trainee 2nd officer.
So essentially, you pay $1200 to be tested by Qantas for a training program that will cost you $147,000 (sure some of it is FEE-HELP, but you pay that back), then you have to find yourself a job for 2 years (difficult because cadets are disliked by the GA community), then you have to apply for a position with Qantas as a 2nd officer along the same lines as direct entry pilot.
Unlike Matt84 I don't believe this is an excellent opportunity. I will definitely not be continuing with my application despite being in a strong position, having passed interview and had refs contacted. If you think about it for a minute you will see there are several better options.
Adios amigos, good luck with your endeavours
So essentially, you pay $1200 to be tested by Qantas for a training program that will cost you $147,000 (sure some of it is FEE-HELP, but you pay that back), then you have to find yourself a job for 2 years (difficult because cadets are disliked by the GA community), then you have to apply for a position with Qantas as a 2nd officer along the same lines as direct entry pilot.
Unlike Matt84 I don't believe this is an excellent opportunity. I will definitely not be continuing with my application despite being in a strong position, having passed interview and had refs contacted. If you think about it for a minute you will see there are several better options.
Adios amigos, good luck with your endeavours
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Navy, I believe you have made a smart decision. What a ******* ridiculous situation! Qantas Cadet is now nothing more than a tag you pay for. Congratulation to Quaint Arse for taking it to a new low. Good luck with that pilot shortage Management!