Great Western PA31's embracing westerly's
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Well observer, faithful or otherwise make no mistake you are a peanut. I think the commercial aspect between the two operations is rather similar, like it or not. The pilots are there to make money for the company and themselves in both bank running and rig runs. It is business. A minute saved on a circuit entry and one saved enroute is a good thing - they seem to have it down pat. Clearly the boys climb high on the way home CV-ROM because that is where the westerly’s are blowing, ie, up the freckle. I think you will find that they go VFR because there is often an absence of cloud and they can live without the radio work, in any case it’s up to them. I know who I would pick to fly my charters… I’m guessing they don’t share the same fear of the VFR warriors as you do, or perhaps that makes them one…
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Observer, Peanut - Both are operating aircraft to make a dollar! Therefore, everyone is working for the same goal. GWA are operating on fixed charter which makes it worse, time is literally money lost to them.
Back to the original issue, these blokes need to make the operation efficient and as quick as possible otherwise I wish them luck running canoe tours up the Brisbane River from Brookfield to Southbank.
Back to the original issue, these blokes need to make the operation efficient and as quick as possible otherwise I wish them luck running canoe tours up the Brisbane River from Brookfield to Southbank.
It was mentioned that they should get a real job. Could you expand on this as the low time pilots chasing those early twin hours need help. They could then withdraw their GWA cv's.
The past GWA pilots seem to have done pretty well with career advancement.
I can recall the bank runners on the CV route climbing to flight levels in their Seneca 2's. The present runners are doing a better job but there is always room for improvement.
Helijet, nice post but doomed to failure with some of these posts.
The past GWA pilots seem to have done pretty well with career advancement.
I can recall the bank runners on the CV route climbing to flight levels in their Seneca 2's. The present runners are doing a better job but there is always room for improvement.
Helijet, nice post but doomed to failure with some of these posts.
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30kt headwinds? That's nuffin!!!
When I was a lad flying from Brisbane to Roma, the headwinds were so strong, I'd climb to FL 350 in my VFR Cherokee and head east. I'd still get to Roma faster than if I flew west.
When I was a lad flying from Brisbane to Roma, the headwinds were so strong, I'd climb to FL 350 in my VFR Cherokee and head east. I'd still get to Roma faster than if I flew west.
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Cookthecrock....
What happened on Saturday? I'm confused..... I did hit the piss on saturday if that is what you mean, but I was actually happy about that... Sunday was more my day of sorrow and pain.
What happened on Saturday? I'm confused..... I did hit the piss on saturday if that is what you mean, but I was actually happy about that... Sunday was more my day of sorrow and pain.
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Observer,
In reference to what you have suggested to speak to your boss about and I quote "would you prefer your pilots to sit in turb all day or climb to 10 grand" I think you best refer to the very first entry in the discussion ie what I asked, and for you I quote "Just wondered if anyone else had noticed the Great Western Aviation rig runners punching into a good 30kts of westerly out of Brisbane most mornings whilst maintaining "Wun Zero Thowzand"? ".....
The point was that in the mornings there may be benifit in attempting to try and fly a little lower and shave a few minutes off the time. I think if you care to glance at the remainder of the reply's you may find that no one wants you to break your wings off in the bumps or get your bars coated in spew, simply work at doing the job better than you did it yesterday. Like it or not, quoted or otherwise, if you do a charter and you come in under the quoted time you make money for nothing.... Save 0.2 on every flight out and back and you will find that perhaps the miserable $100 saved each day will permit the installation of a 20yo second hand century-3 autopilot that works... then you can go back to the easy roads and flying high.... Maybe you should call your boss up and suggest that... I think his number is (38604444) . Maybe dont push the pilot-3 thing at the same time though. Peanut!
In reference to what you have suggested to speak to your boss about and I quote "would you prefer your pilots to sit in turb all day or climb to 10 grand" I think you best refer to the very first entry in the discussion ie what I asked, and for you I quote "Just wondered if anyone else had noticed the Great Western Aviation rig runners punching into a good 30kts of westerly out of Brisbane most mornings whilst maintaining "Wun Zero Thowzand"? ".....
The point was that in the mornings there may be benifit in attempting to try and fly a little lower and shave a few minutes off the time. I think if you care to glance at the remainder of the reply's you may find that no one wants you to break your wings off in the bumps or get your bars coated in spew, simply work at doing the job better than you did it yesterday. Like it or not, quoted or otherwise, if you do a charter and you come in under the quoted time you make money for nothing.... Save 0.2 on every flight out and back and you will find that perhaps the miserable $100 saved each day will permit the installation of a 20yo second hand century-3 autopilot that works... then you can go back to the easy roads and flying high.... Maybe you should call your boss up and suggest that... I think his number is (38604444) . Maybe dont push the pilot-3 thing at the same time though. Peanut!
Brisbane Obs,
I would know more dodgy CPL's than PPL's.
BTW, Havachat actually does work, and espouses some of the finer points of true "Commercial Operation", a field that does not seem to be taught anymore.
Having been here for 20 years, almost always smooth at 7am, except when the odd cold front comes through.
185.
so why risk your a** at 4 and get hit by a dodgy ppl holder trying to save money by pretending not to be in the air and make no radio calls at MBZ's.
BTW, Havachat actually does work, and espouses some of the finer points of true "Commercial Operation", a field that does not seem to be taught anymore.
very very smooth at 7am you reckon, out near charleville. Very interesting.
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Also, not sure what you would know about commercial charter operations given you dont really conduct any. I wouldnt say that baiting would have any similarities so I dont understand your apparent knowledge.
Let's see, Commercial charter operations, mmmm.
Well yes, I have done a little bit, comprising Tours, low level survey, straight out charter, freight. Just because we fly VFR singles, it does not mean we don't have to consider comfort and economics.
It has always been impressed on me when I was a green CPL(1993), that you needed to operate in such a way as to ensure pax comfort, and save the operator as much money/time as you could safely manage. I guess it is all about thinking ahead.
Just a note on the strong westerlies: Because we don't have much in the way of high mountains out this way, it is not very common to get mechanical turbulence above a couple of thou.
you do get shear between different winds at different levels, for sure. What i am saying is that it is quite likely that you will find a lower level that will be smooth with less headwind, as the westerlies tend to increase with height, which is what I think Havachat is alluding to.
Nothing intended to offend from this end, however, you would do well to never under-estimate what people do or have done in their time.
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Interesting. I have watched this develop and I have to say that having flown for many years in the areas mentioned, I can only say this:- To deliberately and unnecessarily plan to climb into a significantly increasing headwind in a little piston shows poor understanding or care of the fiscal outcomes for the employer.
Time is money, end of story. More so now than ever. Obviously, passenger safety and comfort are paramount, but, the presented arguments about turbulence, traffic etc, whilst intended to be compelling and dripping of airmanship, are thin in the reality of what I have witnessed with this operation.
I have closely watched this operator for many years. I have also spoken to a great many of the pilots over the years. Compelling to say the least. It has given me a good practical and sad understanding of the operation .
Previous threads have covered the operator well and provide an interesting insight.
brisbane observer, I found your comments to and about 185skywagon to be on the nose. As you said earlier '' Lets FOCUS and reread all the posts and decifer some worth from the argument. '' I have and frankly they dont reflect well on your calibre.
Maybe Havachat and all may end up saving this operator a buck or two with their observations, but for this writer ,I will have dry eyes when I raise a glass to the eventual demise of this particular chapter in Queensland aviation, Amen .
Time is money, end of story. More so now than ever. Obviously, passenger safety and comfort are paramount, but, the presented arguments about turbulence, traffic etc, whilst intended to be compelling and dripping of airmanship, are thin in the reality of what I have witnessed with this operation.
I have closely watched this operator for many years. I have also spoken to a great many of the pilots over the years. Compelling to say the least. It has given me a good practical and sad understanding of the operation .
Previous threads have covered the operator well and provide an interesting insight.
brisbane observer, I found your comments to and about 185skywagon to be on the nose. As you said earlier '' Lets FOCUS and reread all the posts and decifer some worth from the argument. '' I have and frankly they dont reflect well on your calibre.
Maybe Havachat and all may end up saving this operator a buck or two with their observations, but for this writer ,I will have dry eyes when I raise a glass to the eventual demise of this particular chapter in Queensland aviation, Amen .
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