ALL NAC pilots threatened with sack!
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ALL NAC pilots threatened with sack!
News new to hand...
As a final desperate effort to avoid paying the award (now common rule in the NT) HA put on an tremendous tantrum and has told his pilots that they will all be sacked and used as contract labour.
At a staff meeting late last week, staff were abusively told they could all be replaced if they insist on better conditions and ANY/ALL pilot(s) who don't provide an ABN and accept the "contract" conditions which are to be EVEN LOWER than they currently get, WILL BE REPLACED... even if that means sacking everyone.
I'm told, by sources involved, that all staff have also be warned that their future careers will be actively sabotaged if they take matters to the union or IRC.
Commendations to the NAC pilots for standing up for their rights and demanding the same fair conditions that every other operator in Darwin is already paying.
Hang in there guys, cos while HA will tell you he can do what he wants, it ain't legal.
As a final desperate effort to avoid paying the award (now common rule in the NT) HA put on an tremendous tantrum and has told his pilots that they will all be sacked and used as contract labour.
At a staff meeting late last week, staff were abusively told they could all be replaced if they insist on better conditions and ANY/ALL pilot(s) who don't provide an ABN and accept the "contract" conditions which are to be EVEN LOWER than they currently get, WILL BE REPLACED... even if that means sacking everyone.
I'm told, by sources involved, that all staff have also be warned that their future careers will be actively sabotaged if they take matters to the union or IRC.
Commendations to the NAC pilots for standing up for their rights and demanding the same fair conditions that every other operator in Darwin is already paying.
Hang in there guys, cos while HA will tell you he can do what he wants, it ain't legal.
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stand up to the bastard!
To all NAC pilots,
your courage to stand up to scurrilous individuals such as HA should be applauded by all in this industry.
I would like to encourage you all to stand firm in your resolve to see your future conditions improved to minimum recognisable levels that are consistent throughout the industry.
If you falter at this point, then nothing in GA will change in the future. Outlaw operators of HA's ilk cannot be permitted to prevail any further.......
Your commitment to stand up for your rights should be respected by all other pilots throughout the GA sector (i.e. NO SCABS!!!!!!).
Not one job should be lost under any circumstances!
It is imperative that we in GA as a collective group rally behind the NAC crews and see that they do keep their jobs and conditions. In doing that we are able to keep our own jobs and conditions and ensure a living in the future for our families and ourselves.
You NAC pilots have every right and indeed responsibility to yourselves and your fellow pilots throughout the industry, to take your fair and just claim to the Feds and if necessary to the IRC.
With widespread media attention on your situation to inform the public (suggest you get in touch with the papers / tv / radio), HA and his type would not have the balls to dare to attempt to sabotage your careers as defamation is a serious civil wrong, punishable by the courts.
You are witnesses to each other and anything he said to you can be replayed back to him later in front of a judge.
Ask yourselves, what would 20 or so civil suits do to his business?
Don't let that BLUSTERING LITTLE PRICK put it over you. STAND FIRM!
Remember, UNITED YOU NEGOTIATE, DIVIDED YOU BEG. In times like these, when the going gets tough, the tough get dinkum.
Take ACTION NOW!
Don't let that little weed bluff you out of what is rightfully yours.
TJ
p.s. just for the record, I am not an NAC pilot but I fully support your stance.
your courage to stand up to scurrilous individuals such as HA should be applauded by all in this industry.
I would like to encourage you all to stand firm in your resolve to see your future conditions improved to minimum recognisable levels that are consistent throughout the industry.
If you falter at this point, then nothing in GA will change in the future. Outlaw operators of HA's ilk cannot be permitted to prevail any further.......
Your commitment to stand up for your rights should be respected by all other pilots throughout the GA sector (i.e. NO SCABS!!!!!!).
Not one job should be lost under any circumstances!It is imperative that we in GA as a collective group rally behind the NAC crews and see that they do keep their jobs and conditions. In doing that we are able to keep our own jobs and conditions and ensure a living in the future for our families and ourselves.
You NAC pilots have every right and indeed responsibility to yourselves and your fellow pilots throughout the industry, to take your fair and just claim to the Feds and if necessary to the IRC.
With widespread media attention on your situation to inform the public (suggest you get in touch with the papers / tv / radio), HA and his type would not have the balls to dare to attempt to sabotage your careers as defamation is a serious civil wrong, punishable by the courts.
You are witnesses to each other and anything he said to you can be replayed back to him later in front of a judge.
Ask yourselves, what would 20 or so civil suits do to his business?
Don't let that BLUSTERING LITTLE PRICK put it over you. STAND FIRM!
Remember, UNITED YOU NEGOTIATE, DIVIDED YOU BEG. In times like these, when the going gets tough, the tough get dinkum.
Take ACTION NOW!
Don't let that little weed bluff you out of what is rightfully yours.
TJ
p.s. just for the record, I am not an NAC pilot but I fully support your stance.
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UNITED YOU NEGOTIATE, DIVIDED YOU BEG.
If you chaps crumble NOW, then the GA award, such as it is, will be worthless, and renegotiations for future raises will be unable to proceed, and the WHOLE industry will be dragged down.
Remember, ALL your next interviews will be conducted by pilots, and they WILL respect you for this.
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The sad thing about it is that HA is correct, if he fired all the NAC pilots tomorrow ther would be 20 ready to start tomorrow, pay for their ratings and work for nothing.
I dont know how you fix it now as it reflects all the way through to the big airlines.
If everyone could make a stand that would be great but it aint going to happen!!!!
I dont know how you fix it now as it reflects all the way through to the big airlines.
If everyone could make a stand that would be great but it aint going to happen!!!!
Very interesting reading. Sooner, hopefully than later HA will be caught up with non compliance with the General Aviation Pilot's Award, and the general aviation scene in Darwin will be an even playing field, so the rest of us operators can continue to opeate. Go and get him NAC pilots!
Be strong guys/girls, you deserve such better treatment than this.
Should the worst happen and they are all sacked then surely anyone taking positions with NAC deserve "s**b" status. (I hate that word, but seems fitting.)
VH-VIN, your attitude stinks by the way.
TL
Should the worst happen and they are all sacked then surely anyone taking positions with NAC deserve "s**b" status. (I hate that word, but seems fitting.)
VH-VIN, your attitude stinks by the way.
TL
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I would like to hear this story confirmed... but, regrdless, I do know that H.A. does not observe the full award, nor is he the only operator in Darwin who does not pay the full award.
VIN, I know there are a lot of wannabes, but I think that INFORMED pilots will not scab (call me an idealist).
It is up to the senior pilots (including the chief pilot) to stick together. If they stand firm, H.A. will have to take the righteous path.
VIN, I know there are a lot of wannabes, but I think that INFORMED pilots will not scab (call me an idealist).
It is up to the senior pilots (including the chief pilot) to stick together. If they stand firm, H.A. will have to take the righteous path.
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will there be a NAC SCAB list,, if so it should be on the net, just as the ansett one is..
HA fairs fair ,, look after ure own they may look after you in the long run.. its all about the big picture
HA fairs fair ,, look after ure own they may look after you in the long run.. its all about the big picture
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Kiki you are correct, its all about the big picture.
Pilots think they will work for their first job for little pay and conditions so they can get some hours to move onto something better.
Its not always the pilots fault, what else are they supposed to do? Take the high ground and never get a job?
The problem is its getting harder to get that well paying job as the next one wont be much better and so on.
May be the NAC pilots will take a stand.
In the end it would help everyone, including the operators.
Cost would go up but so would the quality of service and I am sure people would be happy to pay.
Pilots think they will work for their first job for little pay and conditions so they can get some hours to move onto something better.
Its not always the pilots fault, what else are they supposed to do? Take the high ground and never get a job?
The problem is its getting harder to get that well paying job as the next one wont be much better and so on.
May be the NAC pilots will take a stand.
In the end it would help everyone, including the operators.
Cost would go up but so would the quality of service and I am sure people would be happy to pay.
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The only people that can decide this issue are those in the hot seat.
I wish them good luck.
It would be a shame if it all went to custard for them based on the advice of some armchair warrior on this forum.
VH-VIN, you are possibly right.
Transition Layer, my apologies if my last post came across as hostile. Emotive issue and all that.
I wish them good luck.
It would be a shame if it all went to custard for them based on the advice of some armchair warrior on this forum.
VH-VIN, you are possibly right.
Transition Layer, my apologies if my last post came across as hostile. Emotive issue and all that.
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T.L.
Please don't condemn VIN for being a realist.
I currently have 5 CVs here in front of me.
2 state clearly that they will work for free to get a start. 1 hints at paying for checks, endorsements, supervision............
Last week a 2000 hour Pilot came to me and offered to pay for twin charter time.
It is not just newbies that offer to work for free or little return.
I wish all the best for NAC Pilots. I hope none break ranks or get replaced.
Please don't condemn VIN for being a realist.
I currently have 5 CVs here in front of me.
2 state clearly that they will work for free to get a start. 1 hints at paying for checks, endorsements, supervision............
Last week a 2000 hour Pilot came to me and offered to pay for twin charter time.
It is not just newbies that offer to work for free or little return.
I wish all the best for NAC Pilots. I hope none break ranks or get replaced.
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jon.pierre. Rumours based on fact are one thing, malicious lies are another. My advice is your post may fit the latter category.
Unless you can convince me there is "substance" to your allegations, this thread will disappear. Today! My email address is [email protected]
I now await your evidence. And until I receive your evidence other users should treat this thread with some scepticism.
Woomera
P.S. And if you think registration of an ABN negates the provisions of a Federal Award for full time, full time casual, casual or part time category employees, you are an extremely naive little boy.
Unless you can convince me there is "substance" to your allegations, this thread will disappear. Today! My email address is [email protected]
I now await your evidence. And until I receive your evidence other users should treat this thread with some scepticism.
Woomera
P.S. And if you think registration of an ABN negates the provisions of a Federal Award for full time, full time casual, casual or part time category employees, you are an extremely naive little boy.
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R-F-G,
What did you do with those resumes? Did you throw them in the bin? Did you tell the 2000hr guy that his offer wasn't appreciated? I understand that VH-VIN was being a realist but it's people in your position that can help make a difference.
currawong,
Understood, I got a little hot under the collar when I first saw this thread too.
Cheers,
TL
What did you do with those resumes? Did you throw them in the bin? Did you tell the 2000hr guy that his offer wasn't appreciated? I understand that VH-VIN was being a realist but it's people in your position that can help make a difference.
currawong,
Understood, I got a little hot under the collar when I first saw this thread too.
Cheers,
TL
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It is about time all NAC pilots took a stand against HA and his appalling treatment of his pilots! These guys work hard to keep his business running and all they get at the end of the day is grief from HA. Its time to stop with the attitude that there are 100 pilots that will be happy to fill positions and actually appreciate the hard working staff that you already have.
Grow up HA! You are but a small fish in a very big pond and when these guys move on you will be nothing but a sour memory in their minds!
Grow up HA! You are but a small fish in a very big pond and when these guys move on you will be nothing but a sour memory in their minds!
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T.L.
The CVs were filed as I do all CVs. I replied as I do all CVs (as long as an email is added to the CV - I don't have time to post replies).
What I should have done/do is take them to task but I haven't the heart.
As for the 2000 hour guy. He was told that his services for free were not required. I made the mistake of losing my temper. I hope it changes that person's attitude but I doubt it.
The blank faced justification was that twin time was required for a future airline application.....and that ladies and gentlemen is why it will be so hard to get unity in aviation.
To make things harder for local Pilots, I have noticed an increasing number of Kiwi applicants.
Due to the NZ Govt. free funding of CPL training, there is a huge oversupply of junior pilots there.
With the trans-tasman licence agreement, Australia is a very attractive lure for Kiwi newbie CPLs.
I don't want to Kiwi bash as I have heaps of Kiwi buddies but I will not hire a foriegner over a local.
The CVs were filed as I do all CVs. I replied as I do all CVs (as long as an email is added to the CV - I don't have time to post replies).
What I should have done/do is take them to task but I haven't the heart.
As for the 2000 hour guy. He was told that his services for free were not required. I made the mistake of losing my temper. I hope it changes that person's attitude but I doubt it.
The blank faced justification was that twin time was required for a future airline application.....and that ladies and gentlemen is why it will be so hard to get unity in aviation.
To make things harder for local Pilots, I have noticed an increasing number of Kiwi applicants.
Due to the NZ Govt. free funding of CPL training, there is a huge oversupply of junior pilots there.
With the trans-tasman licence agreement, Australia is a very attractive lure for Kiwi newbie CPLs.
I don't want to Kiwi bash as I have heaps of Kiwi buddies but I will not hire a foriegner over a local.
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I suggest that one of you NAC pilots collect all the facts and then clearly state them in a letter to the NT Minister for Transport and Infrastructure. Explain that the employment and wellbeing of all the pilots at NAC are under direct threat due to fact that company is refusing to pay the legal award and is threatening dismissal to anyone who does not comply. Ask the Minister's office for appropriate advice or to direct your complaint to the appropriate NT authority. I'm sure that the NT has some office to deal with this Saddam Hussein style bully - boy nonsense. At the least it will get around the Darwin business community awfully quick that the self appointed, piston-powered Richard Branson of Darwin is a cheapskate who preys on his own staff.
A quick internet search shows me that the NT Transport Minister is -
The Honorable Kon Vatskalis MLA
Minister for Transport and Infrastructure
PO Box 3146
Darwin NT 0800
Go for it boys. Good luck.
Why would a Territory Minister for Transport have any interest or jurisdiction in a Commonwealth Industrial Relations issue???
This suggestion is about as ludicrous as going to Woolworths for a hair cut!!!
Woomera
A quick internet search shows me that the NT Transport Minister is -
The Honorable Kon Vatskalis MLA
Minister for Transport and Infrastructure
PO Box 3146
Darwin NT 0800
Go for it boys. Good luck.
Why would a Territory Minister for Transport have any interest or jurisdiction in a Commonwealth Industrial Relations issue???
This suggestion is about as ludicrous as going to Woolworths for a hair cut!!!
Woomera
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I think it is now appropriate for HA to come on down..... and comment on the validity of these so called acusations. He surely reads this thread cause he is always posting himself.
Woomera I appreciate that you have to keep an eye on this thread but it is indeed a very important issue and I as would most people appreciate if this thread was kept on a little longer.
Good luck to the NAC boyz and girlz. They are not in an enviable position
DrShmoo
HA surely does read this thread.
Smoo, why should HA justify his actions to you, if you are not an NAC employee?
Woomeri don't "take sides" but are very sceptical of threads of this nature:
1. None of these posts appear to come from NAC employees.
2. Some posts may originate from NAC's competitors.
3. NAC staff have confidential access to the Dept of Employment & Workplace Relations for advice. www.dewr.gov.au
4. Many posts in this thread appear to contain conjecture rather than factual substance.
Yes, I will be keeping a very close eye on this thread!
Woomera
Woomera I appreciate that you have to keep an eye on this thread but it is indeed a very important issue and I as would most people appreciate if this thread was kept on a little longer.
Good luck to the NAC boyz and girlz. They are not in an enviable position
DrShmoo
HA surely does read this thread.
Smoo, why should HA justify his actions to you, if you are not an NAC employee?
Woomeri don't "take sides" but are very sceptical of threads of this nature:
1. None of these posts appear to come from NAC employees.
2. Some posts may originate from NAC's competitors.
3. NAC staff have confidential access to the Dept of Employment & Workplace Relations for advice. www.dewr.gov.au
4. Many posts in this thread appear to contain conjecture rather than factual substance.
Yes, I will be keeping a very close eye on this thread!
Woomera
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