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I am not a particular fan of things American but that doesn't stop me from acknowledging that the US sets the aviation standards for the rest of the world
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P51 guy is an experienced pilot
He knows how many rudders a plane has...but do you know slang?
I stood on the rudders? what does that mean?
or something like...I was dancing on the rudders?
it means that there are two rudder pedals...
I am relatively sure of the following:
411A is an experienced pilot
P51 guy in an experienced pilot
I am an experienced pilot
locked doors seems to know what he is talking about
and we all need to quit biting each other.
rudders...rudder
ok, the Constellation truly had rudders
the P38 had rudders
The Lockheed electra had rudders * the one like amelia flew, not the one that formed the p3.
He knows how many rudders a plane has...but do you know slang?
I stood on the rudders? what does that mean?
or something like...I was dancing on the rudders?
it means that there are two rudder pedals...
I am relatively sure of the following:
411A is an experienced pilot
P51 guy in an experienced pilot
I am an experienced pilot
locked doors seems to know what he is talking about
and we all need to quit biting each other.
rudders...rudder
ok, the Constellation truly had rudders
the P38 had rudders
The Lockheed electra had rudders * the one like amelia flew, not the one that formed the p3.
Here come the lawyers:
Texan firm going after AA millions - JamaicaObserver.com
When the Boeing 737-800 aircraft overran the runway at the Norman Manley International Airport and broke in three pieces injuring physically, emotionally or psychologically the 148 passengers on board - (snip) - It is anticipated that all passengers will pursue some form of legal action against American Airlines. At least one other US law firm has announced that it will be representing passengers affected. - (snip) - both pilots and lawyers, arrived in Jamaica Monday and held talks with some of those affected, as well as local legal representatives.
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AA's current streak is nothing to be proud of.
However, it's not unlike USAIR's mid 1980's(?) and Delta's early 1990's(?) streak.
No one is immune, not even 411A's cherished Pan Am, who's accident record was nothing to brag about at times.
However, it's not unlike USAIR's mid 1980's(?) and Delta's early 1990's(?) streak.
No one is immune, not even 411A's cherished Pan Am, who's accident record was nothing to brag about at times.
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#429 - one of the longest runs a Major had without a fatal accident
British Airways haven't had a fatal since 1976, and that accident was due to ATC errors. Must surely be the record eh?
British Airways haven't had a fatal since 1976, and that accident was due to ATC errors. Must surely be the record eh?
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Qantas? How about the B744 overrun on landing in BKK during a TS? Major pilot error. The aircraft should have been written off but was repaired at great expense in order to maintain the "no hull loss" statistic. A company that until very recently was relatively small and flew exclusively medium- and longhaul in sunny weather conditions should be very careful about boasting over a "safety" record.
Compare Qantas to large airlines operating short haul in winter conditions and this safety boast shines a little less brightly.
Scratch the surface of this company and a few major screw ups come to light.
Compare Qantas to large airlines operating short haul in winter conditions and this safety boast shines a little less brightly.
Scratch the surface of this company and a few major screw ups come to light.
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British Airways haven't had a fatal since 1976
22 August 1985; British Airtours 737-200; Flight 28M; Manchester Airport, England: The crew rejected the takeoff due to an uncontained engine failure. The failure led to a punctured fuel tank and a fire that spread to the cabin. The accident killed 53 of 131 passengers and two of six crew members.
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one thing about pan am...they were pioneers...the rules were different ...the character of the pilot was different.
we know what we need to know to fly safely...and we should do it or
1. Hold
2. Cancel
3. Divert
Every accident at USAIR caused a major change in doing business at all airlines.
1. 737 rudder trim handle changed/guard installed
2. No more intersection takeoffs at LAX at night...different ATC procedures
3. Hard wing planes need different deice procedures and operations
4. ATC should communicate to pilots rapid changes in weather...installation of windshear/microburst detecting equipment at major airports rushed into action.
5. Rudder problems and new procedures/components for 737
we know what we need to know to fly safely...and we should do it or
1. Hold
2. Cancel
3. Divert
Every accident at USAIR caused a major change in doing business at all airlines.
1. 737 rudder trim handle changed/guard installed
2. No more intersection takeoffs at LAX at night...different ATC procedures
3. Hard wing planes need different deice procedures and operations
4. ATC should communicate to pilots rapid changes in weather...installation of windshear/microburst detecting equipment at major airports rushed into action.
5. Rudder problems and new procedures/components for 737
PTH:
You know sir, every time you talk, you talk down to your colleagues as though your solutions and thoughts were never considered or thought of by other professional airmen in the transport game. Not saying they're off the mark necessarily but most of what you say, professional airmen have long made their own. Just suggesting... And if you're addressing those who are following in our footsteps, do so directly - we all value learning, but not pronouncements. FWIW. PJ2
You know sir, every time you talk, you talk down to your colleagues as though your solutions and thoughts were never considered or thought of by other professional airmen in the transport game. Not saying they're off the mark necessarily but most of what you say, professional airmen have long made their own. Just suggesting... And if you're addressing those who are following in our footsteps, do so directly - we all value learning, but not pronouncements. FWIW. PJ2
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22 August 1985; British Airtours 737-200; Flight 28M; Manchester Airport, England: The crew rejected the takeoff due to an uncontained engine failure. The failure led to a punctured fuel tank and a fire that spread to the cabin. The accident killed 53 of 131 passengers and two of six crew members.
Many lessons were learned from that terrible accident and changes were made that exist to this day.
The position of seats by emergency exits was changed. Also the actions of the Pilots during an RTO was changed in that in a headwind the aircraft should be turned towards a fire, and conversely in a tailwind.
Some recommendations were made I believe in regard to the 'fire retardation' properties of cabin materials. I was given to understand at the time that these recommendations were not followed for all the usual reasons (I could of course be wrong)
Regards
Exeng
Last edited by exeng; 15th Jan 2010 at 05:10.
PTH - fair enough, just offering some feedback. There are ways of writing which offer, in an anonymous forum especially, both information and a conveyed respect for one's audience whether colleagues or those following who possess a genuine curiosity and eagerness to learn but still have their respective place as budding pilots - I have no doubt regarding your experience whatsoever and finding ways for that to come through such that the dialogue is, and remains engaged, is the challenge for internet communications.
Anyway, 'nuff said. Does your company do FOQA? If so are you guys happy with it? PJ2
Anyway, 'nuff said. Does your company do FOQA? If so are you guys happy with it? PJ2
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Good writers have always managed to make do without those wretched cueballs called smileys. When was the last time somebody asked, "Was Shakespeare kidding, or is he just a jerk?" I've never used a cartoon as a literary aid and never will.