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NutLoose 23rd May 2023 11:16
Well this is erm... different

pasta 23rd May 2023 11:26
Originally Posted by Video Mixdown (Post 11439041)
Is there any consensus on what's going on in Belgorod? Is it:
A. What they say at face value (that would be a first!)
B. They are genuine pro-Ukraine/anti-Putin Russians (an attempted uprising)
C. They are local Ukrainians posing as anti-Putin Russians (to destabilise Russia by instigating belief that an attempted uprising exists)
D. They are Pro-Putin Russians posing as Ukrainians posing as anti-Putin Russians (a false flag attempt to claim Ukraine is covertly invading Russia)
E, F, G etc? The possibilities seem endless.
I can't see the rationale for this being a false flag. If they wanted to escalate in some way, the Russians have plenty of other pretexts already. Makes perfect sense for it to be done by / on behalf of / for the benefit of Ukraine though; now is exactly the time to keep the Russians guessing, and encourage them to spread their forces more widely.

Ohrly 23rd May 2023 11:27
Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11438792)
​​​​​​​Don't bombs usually explode? I see flares, but I don't see many explosions.

Recc 23rd May 2023 11:30
Originally Posted by Video Mixdown (Post 11439041)
Is there any consensus on what's going on in Belgorod? Is it:
A. What they say at face value (that would be a first!)
B. They are genuine pro-Ukraine/anti-Putin Russians (an attempted uprising)
C. They are local Ukrainians posing as anti-Putin Russians (to destabilise Russia by instigating belief that an attempted uprising exists)
D. They are Pro-Putin Russians posing as Ukrainians posing as anti-Putin Russians (a false flag attempt to claim Ukraine is covertly invading Russia)
E, F, G etc? The possibilities seem endless.
My (second hand) understanding is that they are genuinely Russian nationals (to give Ukraine (im?)plausible deniability). I doubt that either they (or the Ukrainians) genuinely believe that this operation will initiate a popular uprising in Russia though they would be delighted if it did. The aim, I'm sure, is to divert Russian troops from Eastern and Southern Ukraine in advance of the upcoming offensive.

NutLoose 23rd May 2023 11:47
More on Krill's car crash, ( why does his name remind me of little fish food about to be eaten up by bigger fish.)

NutLoose 23rd May 2023 11:51
A Russian military optics plant appears to have self combusted, I bet they never saw that coming..



As has the Kursk Tractor factory spare parts too

NutLoose 23rd May 2023 11:53
Russians seeding an area with mines that means even they do not know where they are!

NutLoose 23rd May 2023 12:04
Cool update if true..


At least the Russian regional governor of the area has told everyone not to panic etc...
Ohhhh wait....

NutLoose 23rd May 2023 12:10
;)

NutLoose 23rd May 2023 12:11
Originally Posted by Ohrly (Post 11439065)
​​​​​​​Don't bombs usually explode? I see flares, but I don't see many explosions.
It looked like the last one may have fired rockets before pulling up firing flares and turning.

NutLoose 23rd May 2023 12:16
:) Surprise!!

Lonewolf_50 23rd May 2023 13:31
Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11439086)
Laughed, I did. Putin may be having an Alice in Wonderland moment
Spoiler
 




Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11439092)
As may that citizen. His situation reminds me of something that happened with my brother-in law (sister's husband).
He was living in El Salvador when a battle broke out in their neighborhood.
He was smart enough to stay away from the windows, which ended up being shattered by some stray rounds before all the shooting stopped.

NutLoose 23rd May 2023 13:42
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a9b357caf3.png

NutLoose 23rd May 2023 13:52
Biggus Dickus is speaking to his people and talking the usual !!!!!e. We should hold a raffle as to when he ceases to exist.


meanwhile...

Winemaker 23rd May 2023 13:57
Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11439084)
Cool update if true..



https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/16...C9hbOf-YwuAAAA

At least the Russian regional governor of the area has told everyone not to panic etc...
Ohhhh wait....




https://twitter.com/EvaTrmx86qc7r/st...64801377374209
Sorry Nutty, seems that's an old photo; the airport there has been closed for a while.

NutLoose 23rd May 2023 14:28
:( are you sure??

https://www.skyscanner.net/flights/a...als-departures

Beamr 23rd May 2023 14:37
Oh how the German stance has changed from the era of 5000 helmets. Finally. Excellent.

Winemaker 23rd May 2023 15:51
Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11439153)
Well, sort of. I was relying on this, but it may not be operative now:
Russia's Federal Air Transport Agency (Rosaviatsiya) has extended the suspension of flight operations at 10 airports in southwestern parts of the country and at one airport in Russian-annexed Crimea until at least Dec. 3. Impacted facilities include Anapa Airport (AAQ), Belgorod International Airport (EGO), Bryansk International Airport (BZK), Elista International Airport (ESL), Gelendzhik Airport (GDZ), Krasnodar International Airport (KRR), Kursk Vostochny Airport (URS), Lipetsk Airport (LPK), Rostov-on-Don Airport (RVI), and Voronezh International Airport (VOZ) in Russia, in addition to Simferopol International Airport (SIP) in Russian-annexed Crimea. The measure was previously slated to expire on Nov. 27.

NutLoose 23rd May 2023 16:04
Originally Posted by Winemaker (Post 11439175)
Well, sort of. I was relying on this, but it may not be operative now:
i wonder if it has opened for evacuations then?

NutLoose 23rd May 2023 16:05
Originally Posted by langleybaston (Post 11439183)
Might be useful if we knew what this refers to.
Germany going full in with their support. From his previous stance to appease Russia, not provide anything of real strategic value and appear to almost play both sides of the table. Or that is how I read it

Scholz: "This bitter chapter in the history of our continent, invented by Vladimir Putin in his imperialist madness, will end with a free Ukraine becoming a full member of the European Union. We rule. We decide. We act practically."


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