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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
(Post 11470357)
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Something to think about: during the Cold War, one of the assessed strategies of the Soviet Navy was offensive maritime mining operations. Basically, send a sub, or a few, loaded with mines to areas near an important port (of some nation) and put a bunch of mines down, then sub stays well out of territorial waters. . Wait for the first ship (neutral or nation's ship) one to blow up a mine and see how cautious the {nation} gets. I can see an op like that off of Odessa being already a part of a Russian Navy contingency plan. "We received intelligence that the Russian Navy had laid sea mines on the approaches to Ukrainian ports with the aim of sinking commercial ships and blaming Ukraine", - US National Security Council spokesman Adam Hodge |
Originally Posted by Beamr
(Post 11470480)
you seem to be spot on, Lonewolf. Bloody Russkies, they never change.
"We received intelligence that the Russian Navy had laid sea mines on the approaches to Ukrainian ports with the aim of sinking commercial ships and blaming Ukraine", - US National Security Council spokesman Adam Hodge https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/...19251005702145 "The war in Ukraine will have demonstrated the impotence of the United Nations if a permanent member of the Security Council with full veto power becomes a rogue state without consequence. For the havoc it created, Russia must now be evicted from the UN. This is how......... China is the only country in the Security Council that might veto sending a vote on expelling Russia to the General Assembly. If we want Russia to be appropriately punished, China must be offered a deal: " I'm guessing that China - just like Turkey - might want a lot of sweeteners. https://thehill.com/opinion/internat...a-from-the-un/ |
India would be the next in line for the SC. Something China might not want to happen. What is better than a broken friend like Russia with all the reefs and claims issues brewing?
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Russia is now trying to convince China they are next for NATO's intervention..
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PMC Wagner have released figures for their losses, whether you believe them or not I leave up to you.
Representatives of Wagner PMC revealed how many people were recruited to participate in the special military operation in Ukraine and what losses they suffered: 78,000 mercenaries passed through the Ukrainian mission in total - One of the PMC commanders, Chief of Staff "Marx" 49,000 of them are prisoners from various penal colonies of the Russian Federation. 22,000 mercenaries were killed as of May 20, and 40,000 were wounded. "There are 25,000 left alive and well, plus the wounded and those undergoing treatment. Up to 10,000 of them have left and are leaving for Belarus," "Marx" said. This is the full text apparently. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....fa854b6e06.png |
Good Shooting! Outstanding work... Russia hits the bullseye in Odesa..... I bet the phone lines are red hot between Moscow and Beijing.
"During the night attack, Russian rockets damaged the building of the consulate general of the People's Republic of China in Odesa", - head of Odesa OVA Kiper. |
There is a debate on twitter if the spots on this film are mines heated during the day, I think they are craters, so exposed earth heated in the sun.
Meanwhile mine clearing farmer style... you cannot fault these guys. |
Poland may hand over 20 more Mig 29's to Ukraine.
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Video in link.
⚡️A large column of 🇮🇹Italian 155-mm self-propelled guns M109L was spotted in 🇸🇰Slovakia on the way to 🇺🇦Ukraine |
Originally Posted by petit plateau
(Post 11470567)
China is the only country in the Security Council that might veto sending a vote on expelling Russia to the General Assembly. If we want Russia to be appropriately punished, China must be offered a deal: "
I'm guessing that China - just like Turkey - might want a lot of sweeteners. https://thehill.com/opinion/internat...a-from-the-un/ |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11470687)
There is a debate on twitter if the spots on this film are mines heated during the day, I think they are craters, so exposed earth heated in the sun.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b8b926cf57.png https://twitter.com/NOELreports/stat...41646492028929 Meanwhile mine clearing farmer style... you cannot fault these guys. https://twitter.com/intermarium24/st...10512791060480 Might need some more work to spin it up, something like a clockwork driven weight to turn it. or a series of them towed by a drone, that would work, the design would have to change to have a section that allows a tether... |
Originally Posted by Torquetalk
(Post 11470722)
Given that Russia is a permanent member, I think that may be a miscount.
Abstaining is not a Veto, it is a non vote. |
Originally Posted by Beamr
(Post 11470480)
you seem to be spot on, Lonewolf. Bloody Russkies, they never change.
"We received intelligence that the Russian Navy had laid sea mines on the approaches to Ukrainian ports with the aim of sinking commercial ships and blaming Ukraine", - US National Security Council spokesman Adam Hodge https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/...19251005702145 At which point, the Ukrainians can always invite a demolition derby gf the Kerch bridge for other countries, alter all, they can NOTAM the Kerch Live Fire Bombing Range as being Open for training, it is in Ukrainian land after all, consider it a good will gesture to all those nations that need to access a range or two for their poor CoViD affected crews. |
Now Ukraine announced that shipping to occupied territories and to Russia is considered dangerous to health and safety:
The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine warns that from 00:00 July 21, 2023, all vessels heading through the waters of the Black Sea in the direction of seaports of the Russian Federation and Ukrainian seaports located on the territory of Ukraine that is temporarily occupied by Russia may be considered by Ukraine as carrying military cargo with all the associated risks. In addition, navigation in the areas of the North-Eastern part of the Black Sea and the Kerch-Yenikal Strait of Ukraine is prohibited as dangerous, from 05:00 on July 20, 2023. Relevant navigational information for mariners has already been published. |
Lots of ships now anchored short of the Black Sea. Distinct lack of transponders in the Black Sea itself. https://shipfinder.co/
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Originally Posted by Beamr
(Post 11470765)
Now Ukraine announced that shipping to occupied territories and to Russia is considered dangerous to health and safety:
The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine warns that from 00:00 July 21, 2023, all vessels heading through the waters of the Black Sea in the direction of seaports of the Russian Federation and Ukrainian seaports located on the territory of Ukraine that is temporarily occupied by Russia may be considered by Ukraine as carrying military cargo with all the associated risks. In addition, navigation in the areas of the North-Eastern part of the Black Sea and the Kerch-Yenikal Strait of Ukraine is prohibited as dangerous, from 05:00 on July 20, 2023. Relevant navigational information for mariners has already been published. https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/...08775517954051 Originally Posted by Beamr "From July 20, all ships sailing in the Black Sea to Ukrainian ports will be considered as potential carriers of military cargo. Countries on the flags of such ships will be considered involved in the Ukrainian conflict on the side of the Kyiv regime," Russian Defense Ministry. Originally Posted by NutLoose And of course Ukraine could say the same thing and lob a few Neptunes in the direction of anything sailing towards Russian ports, that should see the insurance companies disappearing over the horizon and ship owners ceasing to operate in and out of Russian ports. |
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Originally Posted by Flyingmac
(Post 11470791)
Lots of ships now anchored short of the Black Sea. Distinct lack of transponders in the Black Sea itself. https://shipfinder.co/
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c2ea87bd10.jpg |
A close up view at 1210 EDT 1610 UTC/GMT/Zulu 20/07/23
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....807cc94260.png
Originally Posted by soarbum
(Post 11470846)
I suggest that you try another stethoscope before declaring that the patient is dead. There is still plenty of shipping showing at marinetraffic.com
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c2ea87bd10.jpg |
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