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Trump demanding Iran's "Unconditional surrender"
Can you demand the surrender of a state you aren't at war with? Has Trump just declared war with Iran? |
Originally Posted by Tashengurt
(Post 11904499)
Trump demanding Iran's "Unconditional surrender"
Can you demand the surrender of a state you aren't at war with? Has Trump just declared war with Iran? |
Originally Posted by Marcantilan
(Post 11904477)
What happened? Does anyone know?
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bjyzjx07eg |
US State Dept brief live now on Fox News
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Iran has claimed to have shot down 3 F35's so far, and having captured one (female) pilot.
Has anything resembling 'proof' of these claims been released (e.g. photos of downed aircraft, interview with the captured pilot, etc.)? Or is this more Bagdad Bob type stuff? |
Originally Posted by tdracer
(Post 11904551)
Iran has claimed to have shot down 3 F35's so far, and having captured one (female) pilot.
Has anything resembling 'proof' of these claims been released (e.g. photos of downed aircraft, interview with the captured pilot, etc.)? Or is this more Bagdad Bob type stuff? |
I’ll believe it when I see them paraded in badly fitting suits.
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Fancy telling the Iranian leadership that they know where he is, talk about poor OP SEC.
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Interesting commentary from 13 years ago about Israel vs Iran ... possibly applies today?
(OK, did a little digging, he tends to be a contributor to the Telegraph, leans more conservative in the UK)
Originally Posted by USA Today
WASHINGTON − President Donald Trump threatened Iran's supreme leader as he pushed Tehran to end its retaliatory airstrikes on Israel and warned against any threats to U.S. service members in the region.
"We know exactly where the so-called 'Supreme Leader' is hiding," Trump wrote on Truth Social. "He is an easy target, but is safe there." "We are not going to take him out (kill!), at least not for now," the president said on June 17. "But we don’t want missiles shot at civilians, or American soldiers. Our patience is wearing thin." There was no immediate response from the Iranian government. As to the Iranian Air Force: In recent days, Iranian media claimed that Israeli pilots were shot down or captured, and that dogfights had taken place. “It’s funny—of course that didn’t happen,” says Maj N “Every pilot dreams of downing an enemy aircraft, and we were ready for that. But during the opening wave, when we entered Iranian airspace, we saw their pilots take off—and then flee. They flew inward, toward central Iran, literally running away from us and disappearing.” Self preservation is a thing. |
Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11904580)
Fancy telling the Iranian leadership that they know where he is, talk about poor OP SEC.
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Originally Posted by NutLoose
(Post 11904329)
dozens of aerial tankers have arrived in Europe. Tankers Deploy to Europe as US Weighs Options in Israel-Iran War |
4 more KC-135R/Ts heading out from the USA + a B-1B which turned its transponder off.
Also, French E-3F + its own supporting C-135FR tanker heading to the area - by Greece at present. |
Anyone else getting this ad on this thread?...(see spoiler)
Spoiler
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Very good video by ex army special forces regarding some of the recent strikes in Iran Mod Note: Start at minute 1:58. The first two minutes are fluff/noise. T28B |
Congress on both sides are trying to limit Trumps war powers, as Congress can only declare war. SMO anyone?
Washington — Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are looking to limit President Trump's ability to order U.S. strikes on Iran amid its ongoing war with Israel, emphasizing that only Congress has the power to declare war under the Constitution. "This is not our war," Republican Rep. Thomas Massie of Kentucky said in a post on X Tuesday announcing that he had introduced a measure under the 1973 War Powers Resolution to block U.S. strikes. "Even if it were, Congress must decide such matters according to our Constitution." The Constitution grants Congress the sole power to declare war, and the extent of the president's authority to wade into conflict abroad without the approval of the legislative branch has been challenged in recent years. In 2020, Mr. Trump faced criticism for his decision to strike Iranian military leader Qassem Soleimani without notifying congressional leaders. Massie's resolution aims to force the president to seek congressional approval before entering a war with Iran and would terminate the use of U.S. armed forces against Iran without Congress' expressed approval. It's cosponsored by Democratic Rep. Ro Khanna of California, who urged "every member to go on record" in a post on X on Monday. "Are you with the neocons who led us into Iraq or do you stand with the American people?" Khanna said. |
BREAKING:
Iranian Crown Prince @PahlaviReza just gave a speech to the nation: “All it takes now is a nation-wide uprising to put this nightmare to and end (…) may I be with you soon” ENGLISH SUBTITLES |
Ahhh, but further to that ORAC, please read Pakistan’s Defence Minister’s tweet to Reza Pahlavi 🤔
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b92981321.jpeg |
I think a few posters are missing a point on the `Congress seeking to limit Trump's war powers' angle.
Who says he's looking to go to war? A few MOPs dropped on Fordo and Natanz is not war. He doesn't need Congressional approval to do so - just needs to tell them within two days of doing it and wrap it up within 60 days. I think the positioning of US forces in the region may be to help shoot down a furious Iranian ballistic missile response if he does so, and to protect US bases from any retaliation. Were he to want to respond medium term if Iran does target US forces and bases in the region - might be a different story - that's looking more like war. Anyways, I think we'll see TACO rather than any decisive action - I hope I'm wrong. He's just loving the drama and being the centre of attention - but this isn't an episode of The Apprentice. |
Originally Posted by tartare
(Post 11904798)
I think a few posters are missing a point on the `Congress seeking to limit Trump's war powers' angle.
Who says he's looking to go to war? A few MOPs dropped on Fordo and Natanz is not war. He doesn't need Congressional approval to do so - just needs to tell them within two days of doing it and wrap it up within 60 days. I think the positioning of US forces in the region may be to help shoot down a furious Iranian ballistic missile response if he does so, and to protect US bases from any retaliation. Were he to want to respond medium term if Iran does target US forces and bases in the region - might be a different story - that's looking more like war. Anyways, I think we'll see TACO rather than any decisive action - I hope I'm wrong. He's just loving the drama and being the centre of attention - but this isn't an episode of The Apprentice. Jan 24, 2025 https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b34da70a1d.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ec72803822.jpg From a purely selfish point of view - one of my great regrets is that I cannot yet visit Iran to learn more about the country and culture, and may not be able to for another 10-15 years at least, because it is so dangerous for westerners. Tehran looks fascinating, surrounded by beautiful mountains, great food, literature, history. And a vibrant society, elements of which still defy the despots who rule them. I fully believe that you genuinely wish the best for the Iranian people, and that we share a similar ordinary understanding of Iranian history. The thing is, I cannot ignore that, if/when the Iranian regime topples, either a new bad regime will take over, or Iran will be greatly weakened. With a new bad regime, practically nothing changes. If a weakened Iran emerges, what will happen to Iran is what happens to every other weak country on the globe, what has happened for centuries: pilots (boats, airplanes, spaceships, whatever) will deliver those with deep pockets to Iran to gain "rights" to as much of Iran's resources as can be had. Rinse and repeat. Taking a step back, in the big picture, it is deficit spending outside Iran that afforded military buildup outside Iran that first threatened Iran and later is being used to topple Iran, deficit spending that causes leaders of debt-ladened nations to seek money from whomever . Those profiting from the deficit spending are the ones with deep pockets in the first place. Thus, all along those in the military are tools of, and subservient to, those in the banking/finance industry. Right out of a wealthy prince's play book. |
He's just loving the drama and being the centre of attention - but this isn't an episode of The Apprentice. |
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