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sandiego89 16th June 2025 12:50


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11903213)
At least 26 KC-135/KC-46 left the USA heading east yesterday. KC-46 inbound Ramstein.

Exercise Atlantic Trident starts today but is already supported by the Mildenhall tankers and European AAR resources _ and in any case would not near anywhere near this amount of assets....

Seeing those serial numbers on the KC-135's such as 57-1502 and other 1958, 1959...year groups, they have definitely earned their keep!

RAFEngO74to09 16th June 2025 13:10

At least 32 USAF tankers deploying now

Andy_S 16th June 2025 13:20


Originally Posted by CurlyB (Post 11903468)
Clear evidence that Iran aren't building nuclear weapons...

It makes you wonder what their intentions are for all that enriched Uranium? And why the IAEA has declared Iran in breach of its non-proliferation obligations?

"Aren't building" doesn't mean that they have neither the intention or capability of doing so.



Originally Posted by CurlyB (Post 11903468)
Clear evidence that it was the Americans which put an end to Iranian democracy...

How many years ago?



Originally Posted by CurlyB (Post 11903468)
Israel fired the first shot and is being led by a war criminal...

Identifying who fired the first shot is a fools game; this is just the latest phase of a regional conflict that has been going on for decades. And I'm not aware that the Iranian leadership are progressive liberals..... Just as a matter of interest, are Israel pledged to the complete destruction of the state of Iran?

dead_pan 16th June 2025 13:25

I thought the US had moved their embassy to Jerusalem?

TWT 16th June 2025 13:48

According to Google, the main embassy is in Jerusalem and there is a branch office in Tel Aviv

SWBKCB 16th June 2025 13:50

from the BBC - Tel Aviv consulate


US Embassy in Israel remains closed as Tel Aviv branch damaged - published at 08:10


08:10The US ambassador to Israel has reported that its Tel Aviv embassy branch sustained "minor damage" during the overnight strikes from Iran.

Mike Huckabee posted on X that the consulate was affected by "concussions of Iranian missile hits" near the building in Tel Aviv. The main US Embassy in Jerusalem will also remain closed as there is still a shelter in place order in effect.

No US personnel were injured, he said.

BANANASBANANAS 16th June 2025 14:02


Originally Posted by CurlyB (Post 11903468)
I am baffled with this thread...

Clear evidence that Iran aren't building nuclear weapons...

Clear evidence that it was the Americans which put an end to Iranian democracy...

Israel fired the first shot and is being led by a war criminal...

Just look at the facts! It's clearly an unjust war which we're paying for

Uranium has to be enriched with U-235 to around 3%-5% to efficiently power a nuclear power station. That figure rises to around 90% to produce a reliable nuclear weapon. I believe it was the IAEA who recently stated that Iran was at 60% enrichment. That is clearly far more than is needed for nuclear power stations, no explanation has been offered for the 60% by Iran so what conclusions would a rational person draw from this information? Factor in that Iran has stated that it would like to see Israel wiped off the face of the earth and it is not difficult for that rational person to understand why Israel may feel entitled to ‘get its retaliation in first!’

ORAC 16th June 2025 14:05


I thought the US had moved their embassy to Jerusalem?
More a diplomatic move than physical.

The Ambassador now has an office in the building in Jerusalem, though he splits his work between there and Tel Aviv. Just 50 out of the 1000 staff relocated to Jerusalem, the rest remain in Tel Aviv.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Av..._United_States

In December 2017, President Donald Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and ordered that the US Embassy be moved there. The US Embassy in Israel relocated to Arnona, the site of the consular section of the US Consulate General on May 14, 2018. A space was carved out in that building for office space for the Ambassador and a small staff.”….

Rigga 16th June 2025 14:37

I believe it's the aircraft that aren't tracked that would be more interesting...

JG1 16th June 2025 14:38

If Isreal has air dominance over Iran, it could move SF in and out, perhaps bunker busters may only be 200lbs each

Icarus 1 16th June 2025 14:39


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11903337)
Video. Multiple different launch points.

Orac
That is an amazing video. I wonder if any passengers witnessed that because I am sure it would be more than a little alarming.
Icarus 1

fdr 16th June 2025 15:53

Iran has reportedly declared the Straits of Hormuz closed. That would seen to be a bit of an escalation.

"reserving the right to sink or seize any ships" would seem to be aspirational at best, and a red flag at worst to justify a bit of a tiff against their beloved leadership.

Is there enough popcorn for this one?

Iran effectively choking off China's energy won't go unnoticed in Beijing... nor anywhere else on the planet. It's one way to tender a resignation that doesn't involve 6th floor windows.

There is a symmetry in the fact that Iran supplied Russia Shaheed drones to attack Ukraine, and when Iran is getting some aggro from Israel it asks for support from Russia and gets a No response from Vlad the victorious. Given the effectiveness of anything coming out of Russia that is more offensive than vodka breath....

Andy_S 16th June 2025 16:03


Originally Posted by fdr (Post 11903573)
Iran effectively choking off China's energy won't go unnoticed in Beijing...

One would assume the Iranians could be selective about which vessels they allow through the straits.

But ultimately you suspect that Iran will end up as the big loser.

dga718 16th June 2025 16:43

Like others in this thread, I have been wanting to visit Iran for decades, the Persian architectural heritage looks amazing, and having grown up in SoCal, I went to school with some Persians that escaped when the Shah was overthrown - wonderful people, and I wonder now, how many of them were connected with Grumman... but I digress!

The point of this post, half cheeky, half sincere, is: I hope the F-14s that Iran apparently still has operational were not blown up.

As one who prays for detente with the Persia, I think the symbolic power of have a USA Contingent of Peace escorted through Iranian skies by F-14s would be a profound reminder that we were once friendly, and I cannot think of a better way for us to re-establish our bonds than to have the men who delivered the F-14s (and those who built the Grumman housing in and around Isfahan) reunite with those majestic birds and the Persian men who have kept them flying. Crazier things have happened in this world!

judyjudy 16th June 2025 16:43

If they actually do that, it could be a motivation to Israel to go ahead and sink Kharg Island

ORAC 16th June 2025 17:01


Iran has reportedly declared the Straits of Hormuz closed. That would seen to be a bit of an escalation.

Can;t find that reported anywhere - just an Iranian MP threatening they might do so.

Hangarless 16th June 2025 17:18

Reporting here has it that the Iranians are appealing to other Middle East nations and Europe to get Israel to de-escalate as the Israeli Air Force have total control over their airspace and are taking out their targets at will.

And from Fox. If you believe the in bold sentence you will believe anything. Do they really think Trump will call them?


Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi suggested Monday that one phone call from President Donald Trump could “pave the way for a return to diplomacy” in the Middle East.

“If President Trump is genuine about diplomacy and interested in stopping this war, next steps are consequential. Israel must halt its aggression, and absent a total cessation of military aggression against us, our responses will continue,” he wrote in a post on X. “It takes one phone call from Washington to muzzle someone like Netanyahu. That may pave the way for a return to diplomacy.”

“Conversely, getting the U.S. mired in the Mother of Forever Wars will destroy any prospect for a negotiated solution, with dangerous, unpredictable and likely UNFATHOMABLE consequences for regional security and the global economy,” Araghchi also said.

Let us not forget: Iran did NOT begin this war and has no interest in perpetuating bloodshed. But we will proudly fight to the last drop of blood to protect our land, our people, our dignity and our achievements,” Araghchi added.

Posted by Greg Norman
Further reports are that State TV is not functioning after being bombed.





SWBKCB 16th June 2025 17:35

State TV back up and running in a few minutes according to the BBC

Iranian state TV is now back to broadcasting live after going off air for a few minutes following Israel's attack.

The broadcaster says in text being displayed on screen that all its programmes "are resuming live without any interruptions".

Another news ticker says Israel "in a brutal violation targeted one of the buildings of Iran’s state TV”.

The broadcaster says that Israel was trying to "silence the voice of truth" by attacking it.


Peyman Jebeli, head of the broadcasting, has just appeared on state TV showing a blood-stained paper. He says that the state TV and its employees are “standing until the end”.

Thousands work in something of a mini village that the state TV is based in. Israel had previously published a map showing a part of Tehran’s District 3 telling citizens to evacuate before the attack - and state TV was also included there.


The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) says in a statement that the air force targeted a "communication centre that was being used for military purposes by the Iranian Armed Forces".

It goes on to say the building was being used "under the guise of civilian activity" and that is strike "directly harmed the military capabilities of the Iranian Armed Forces".

"Prior to the strike, the IDF provided an effective advanced warning to the civilian population, including phone calls, and conducted the strike in a precise manner in order to mitigate harm to civilians as far as feasible."



T28B 16th June 2025 18:25


It takes one phone call from Washington to muzzle someone like Netanyahu.
That taken from the statements by Abbas Araghchi.
The question is, why would the American president do that now?
I am coming up empty, at the present, for this reason:
A further weakening of Iran's capacity for war, or warlike actions, will be of benefit to most of the Gulf States whom the POTUS recently visited.

SWBKCB 16th June 2025 18:38

Well, apart from the civilians getting killed - if the Israelies are after regime change, they seem to be assuming that any replacement government will be an improvement. What if it is a worse, more rogue?


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