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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11903213)
At least 26 KC-135/KC-46 left the USA heading east yesterday. KC-46 inbound Ramstein.
Exercise Atlantic Trident starts today but is already supported by the Mildenhall tankers and European AAR resources _ and in any case would not near anywhere near this amount of assets.... |
At least 32 USAF tankers deploying now
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Originally Posted by CurlyB
(Post 11903468)
Clear evidence that Iran aren't building nuclear weapons...
"Aren't building" doesn't mean that they have neither the intention or capability of doing so.
Originally Posted by CurlyB
(Post 11903468)
Clear evidence that it was the Americans which put an end to Iranian democracy...
Originally Posted by CurlyB
(Post 11903468)
Israel fired the first shot and is being led by a war criminal...
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I thought the US had moved their embassy to Jerusalem?
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According to Google, the main embassy is in Jerusalem and there is a branch office in Tel Aviv
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from the BBC - Tel Aviv consulate |
Originally Posted by CurlyB
(Post 11903468)
I am baffled with this thread...
Clear evidence that Iran aren't building nuclear weapons... Clear evidence that it was the Americans which put an end to Iranian democracy... Israel fired the first shot and is being led by a war criminal... Just look at the facts! It's clearly an unjust war which we're paying for |
I thought the US had moved their embassy to Jerusalem? The Ambassador now has an office in the building in Jerusalem, though he splits his work between there and Tel Aviv. Just 50 out of the 1000 staff relocated to Jerusalem, the rest remain in Tel Aviv. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_Av..._United_States “In December 2017, President Donald Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and ordered that the US Embassy be moved there. The US Embassy in Israel relocated to Arnona, the site of the consular section of the US Consulate General on May 14, 2018. A space was carved out in that building for office space for the Ambassador and a small staff.”…. |
I believe it's the aircraft that aren't tracked that would be more interesting...
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If Isreal has air dominance over Iran, it could move SF in and out, perhaps bunker busters may only be 200lbs each
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 11903337)
Video. Multiple different launch points.
That is an amazing video. I wonder if any passengers witnessed that because I am sure it would be more than a little alarming. Icarus 1 |
Iran has reportedly declared the Straits of Hormuz closed. That would seen to be a bit of an escalation.
"reserving the right to sink or seize any ships" would seem to be aspirational at best, and a red flag at worst to justify a bit of a tiff against their beloved leadership. Is there enough popcorn for this one? Iran effectively choking off China's energy won't go unnoticed in Beijing... nor anywhere else on the planet. It's one way to tender a resignation that doesn't involve 6th floor windows. There is a symmetry in the fact that Iran supplied Russia Shaheed drones to attack Ukraine, and when Iran is getting some aggro from Israel it asks for support from Russia and gets a No response from Vlad the victorious. Given the effectiveness of anything coming out of Russia that is more offensive than vodka breath.... |
Originally Posted by fdr
(Post 11903573)
Iran effectively choking off China's energy won't go unnoticed in Beijing...
But ultimately you suspect that Iran will end up as the big loser. |
Like others in this thread, I have been wanting to visit Iran for decades, the Persian architectural heritage looks amazing, and having grown up in SoCal, I went to school with some Persians that escaped when the Shah was overthrown - wonderful people, and I wonder now, how many of them were connected with Grumman... but I digress!
The point of this post, half cheeky, half sincere, is: I hope the F-14s that Iran apparently still has operational were not blown up. As one who prays for detente with the Persia, I think the symbolic power of have a USA Contingent of Peace escorted through Iranian skies by F-14s would be a profound reminder that we were once friendly, and I cannot think of a better way for us to re-establish our bonds than to have the men who delivered the F-14s (and those who built the Grumman housing in and around Isfahan) reunite with those majestic birds and the Persian men who have kept them flying. Crazier things have happened in this world! |
If they actually do that, it could be a motivation to Israel to go ahead and sink Kharg Island
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Iran has reportedly declared the Straits of Hormuz closed. That would seen to be a bit of an escalation. |
Reporting here has it that the Iranians are appealing to other Middle East nations and Europe to get Israel to de-escalate as the Israeli Air Force have total control over their airspace and are taking out their targets at will.
And from Fox. If you believe the in bold sentence you will believe anything. Do they really think Trump will call them? Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi suggested Monday that one phone call from President Donald Trump could “pave the way for a return to diplomacy” in the Middle East. “If President Trump is genuine about diplomacy and interested in stopping this war, next steps are consequential. Israel must halt its aggression, and absent a total cessation of military aggression against us, our responses will continue,” he wrote in a post on X. “It takes one phone call from Washington to muzzle someone like Netanyahu. That may pave the way for a return to diplomacy.” “Conversely, getting the U.S. mired in the Mother of Forever Wars will destroy any prospect for a negotiated solution, with dangerous, unpredictable and likely UNFATHOMABLE consequences for regional security and the global economy,” Araghchi also said. “Let us not forget: Iran did NOT begin this war and has no interest in perpetuating bloodshed. But we will proudly fight to the last drop of blood to protect our land, our people, our dignity and our achievements,” Araghchi added. Posted by Greg Norman |
State TV back up and running in a few minutes according to the BBC
Iranian state TV is now back to broadcasting live after going off air for a few minutes following Israel's attack. The broadcaster says in text being displayed on screen that all its programmes "are resuming live without any interruptions". Another news ticker says Israel "in a brutal violation targeted one of the buildings of Iran’s state TV”. The broadcaster says that Israel was trying to "silence the voice of truth" by attacking it. Peyman Jebeli, head of the broadcasting, has just appeared on state TV showing a blood-stained paper. He says that the state TV and its employees are “standing until the end”. Thousands work in something of a mini village that the state TV is based in. Israel had previously published a map showing a part of Tehran’s District 3 telling citizens to evacuate before the attack - and state TV was also included there. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) says in a statement that the air force targeted a "communication centre that was being used for military purposes by the Iranian Armed Forces". It goes on to say the building was being used "under the guise of civilian activity" and that is strike "directly harmed the military capabilities of the Iranian Armed Forces". "Prior to the strike, the IDF provided an effective advanced warning to the civilian population, including phone calls, and conducted the strike in a precise manner in order to mitigate harm to civilians as far as feasible." |
It takes one phone call from Washington to muzzle someone like Netanyahu. The question is, why would the American president do that now? I am coming up empty, at the present, for this reason: A further weakening of Iran's capacity for war, or warlike actions, will be of benefit to most of the Gulf States whom the POTUS recently visited. |
Well, apart from the civilians getting killed - if the Israelies are after regime change, they seem to be assuming that any replacement government will be an improvement. What if it is a worse, more rogue?
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