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CurlyB 16th June 2025 18:45


Originally Posted by BANANASBANANAS (Post 11903510)
Uranium has to be enriched with U-235 to around 3%-5% to efficiently power a nuclear power station. That figure rises to around 90% to produce a reliable nuclear weapon. I believe it was the IAEA who recently stated that Iran was at 60% enrichment. That is clearly far more than is needed for nuclear power stations, no explanation has been offered for the 60% by Iran so what conclusions would a rational person draw from this information? Factor in that Iran has stated that it would like to see Israel wiped off the face of the earth and it is not difficult for that rational person to understand why Israel may feel entitled to ‘get its retaliation in first!’

Israel has been on record saying similar things about Iran
https://www.ft.com/content/58d55e61-...d-65a56d9114f5

“Tehran will burn”
The reason th Iranians are enriching uranium to a higher U-235 portion squarely lies on Trump reneging on the JCPOA

https://www.dw.com/en/iran-israel-co...0for%20concern.

In 2015, Iran reached a landmark deal with the US and other Western countries, known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA). The agreement limited Iran's nuclear program and imposed strict controls in exchange for the easing of sanctions. However, US President Donald Trump withdrew from the agreement in 2018 during his first term, criticizing it as merely temporary and failing to address Iran's ballistic missile program. The US then imposed new sanctions on Iran. In response, Iran gradually scaled back from its compliance with the agreement and significantly increased its uranium enrichment beyond the 3.67% limit set under the 2015 deal.
I presume you're referring to the Mahmoud Ahmadinejad statement about Israel?
A 20 year old quote form a man who hasn't been in power for decades is a bit of a reach to justify a war. Trump has said worse things in the last week

Hangarless 16th June 2025 18:49

I hold the view that the Israelis, assisted by the US will not stop until they have absolutely destroyed any ability that Iran has to produce a nuclear weapon and that the Ayatollah and his fanatical religious regime is removed from power, one way or another.

Andy_S 16th June 2025 19:11


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 11903666)
Well, apart from the civilians getting killed - if the Israelies are after regime change, they seem to be assuming that any replacement government will be an improvement. What if it is a worse, more rogue?

1. If so, then their military abilities will be hugely compromised.
2. Any sign that Iran represents a wider threat to the region and the Israelis will resume their campaign.

Rinse & repeat.

West Coast 16th June 2025 19:23

Can't help but wonder if any nearby strongmen will look at a severly weakened Iran as an opportunity.

RatherBeFlying 16th June 2025 19:27

To topple the ayatollahs, you'd need tanks and boots on the ground. It's a long way across unfriendly territory. The of March of Das Reich to D Day did not go well.

Iran Shoots Down Third F-35 Fighter, Captures Second Pilot: What Are the Implications?

Iranian state media on June 14 reported the shootdown of a third Israeli F-35 fifth generation fighter in the country’s airspace, following two prior reported shootdowns and the capture of a female pilot. The aircraft was reportedly also shot down by ground-based air defence systems, with the pilot surviving and being apprehended. This has brought the total number of F-35 pilots captured to two. Military Watch previously analysed the likely veracity of Iranian claims in detail, including the strengths and limitations of the country’s air defences and the risks to F-35 squadrons as a result of the means by which they have been employed

West Coast 16th June 2025 19:34

What if the Ayatollahs are all dead? Israel won't rule out the possibility of going down that path. I can see Ayatollah number 147 on the seniority list fighting the remnants of the Iranian military for control of the country.

dga718 16th June 2025 19:45

Alas the F-14s have been destroyed:

http://www.twz.com/air/irans-f-14-pe...aeli-airstrike

Tashengurt 16th June 2025 19:54


Originally Posted by dga718 (Post 11903603)
Like others in this thread, I have been wanting to visit Iran for decades, the Persian architectural heritage looks amazing, and having grown up in SoCal, I went to school with some Persians that escaped when the Shah was overthrown - wonderful people, and I wonder now, how many of them were connected with Grumman... but I digress!

The point of this post, half cheeky, half sincere, is: I hope the F-14s that Iran apparently still has operational were not blown up.

As one who prays for detente with the Persia, I think the symbolic power of have a USA Contingent of Peace escorted through Iranian skies by F-14s would be a profound reminder that we were once friendly, and I cannot think of a better way for us to re-establish our bonds than to have the men who delivered the F-14s (and those who built the Grumman housing in and around Isfahan) reunite with those majestic birds and the Persian men who have kept them flying. Crazier things have happened in this world!


Oops. Bad news I'm afraid.

Andy_S 16th June 2025 20:08


Originally Posted by RatherBeFlying (Post 11903698)
To topple the ayatollahs, you'd need tanks and boots on the ground. It's a long way across unfriendly territory.

That's why Bibi is hoping that the Iranian people will do the heavy lifting for him.

bahblown 16th June 2025 20:13

General Wesley Clark - "We're Going to Take Out 7 Countries in 5 Years"

on Youtube.... lots of blinkers on in the military these days

Lonewolf_50 16th June 2025 21:06

WTF, General?
Since when did you un-retire and get back into Military Ops?
These days the General is a talking head; you are giving him more attention than he deserves bahblown .

Where ya sit determines what you see, apparently. As regards the Israelis creating air superiority over Iran...
One PoV from the Guardian:
Spoiler
 

And one point of view from the Telegraph
Spoiler
 

RatherBeFlying 16th June 2025 21:19


Originally Posted by Andy_S (Post 11903773)
That's why Bibi is hoping that the Iranian people will do the heavy lifting for him.

The Syrians did the heavy lifting at the cost of a gruesome toll of lives. Bibi continues to show his gratitude with air strikes.

RAFEngO74to09 16th June 2025 23:31

President Trump has warned that Tehran should be evacuated immediately. Possibly because there might be fallout from a conventional attack by B-2A on Natanz nuclear facility which is only 200 miles from Tehran.

Also, 12 x F-35A and / or F-22A believed to be arriving in CENTCOM AOR with 48 hours.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GtmbBZAa...pg&name=medium

RAFEngO74to09 16th June 2025 23:35

President Trump leaving G7 Summit early and returning to Washington DC after the formal dinner tonight.

NSC will be waiting for him in WH Situation Room tonight.

Chock Puller 17th June 2025 00:05

How vulnerable to being overthrown is the current Iranian Regime?

https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/news/ter...hange-in-2024/

Hangarless 17th June 2025 00:37


Originally Posted by RAFEngO74to09 (Post 11903873)
President Trump leaving G7 Summit early and returning to Washington DC after the formal dinner tonight.

NSC will be waiting for him in WH Situation Room tonight.

Maybe to watch the video show of a couple of Bunker Busters hitting the mark. The weekend talking heads were all out speaking about it.

Almost no news of anything else at the G7. Possibly Trump may have pre-warned the other participants but who knows.

Lindsay Graham saying tonight that it looks like we're moving to force and that we should give Israel whatever it wants in order to remove any nuclear threat which would suggest negotiating time is over.

RatherBeFlying 17th June 2025 02:19

The National Council of Resistance of Iran in the article linked above certainly shows the difficulties of the current regime. Putin's Russia has many of the same problems .Then there's MAGAland perhaps higher up on the downward slope. And let's not forget Bibi.

No matter how much we all wish one or more of these deadly leaders gone, we should not forget that each has strong supporting constituencies .

Each could stay entrenched for decades or moments before a sudden collapse.

MechEngr 17th June 2025 02:33

Would an interceptor missile/ SAM be able to sufficiently damage the expected bunker-buster weapon that Trump is apparently waving the flag about dropping on the Natanz nuclear facility? AFAIK the B-2 won't be completely stealthy when the doors open and isn't going to be very stealthy with an external store; that should give the defense a bit of time when all of a sudden a target appears without any previous track. Radar should be able to track the bomb, but it certainly should be visible in the far IR against the sky.



tartare 17th June 2025 02:49

A Presidentially directed strike on Fordow or elsewhere appears legal under the War Powers resolution.
It'd be limited military action.
Arguably protecting US interests and /or allies - and the proliferation of nuclear weapons.
Trump has to tell Congress within 48 hours, and terminate action within 60 days.

RatherBeFlying 17th June 2025 03:21

Pakistan and India will be glowing with the fallout.


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