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Originally Posted by Steepclimb
(Post 12064525)
Others have commented. My view is that he is still alive but evading. Perhaps hiding in place. I would believe the CSAR people know where he is but given the reception they got rescuing the pilot. One A10 shot down and the helicopters taking ground fire. There might be a rethink. This is a classic Vietnam scenario. Heavy opposition.
If they have contact with the WSO, I think a night operation is probably in place, perhaps tonight. This would blind the Iranian irregulars searching for him. It's an isolated area. |
Just wondering if any one else here had some more TTPs to pass onto Iran about Combat SAR? You are doing such a good job.
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Multiple CSAR helicopters in Iran now heard - reports of local militia in firefight with US SF - many other locals heading to the area.
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Originally Posted by ozbiggles
(Post 12064588)
Just wondering if any one else here had some more TTPs to pass onto Iran about Combat SAR? You are doing such a good job.
Tongue in cheek of course |
Originally Posted by ozbiggles
(Post 12064588)
Just wondering if any one else here had some more TTPs to pass onto Iran about Combat SAR? You are doing such a good job.
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Salute!
Well, AR et al, one reason we who flew those missions, besides getting our friend back, was it was a "pure" fight. Us vs them, with no politics. Our ROE was also a pleasure - the ROE was simply "we could engage anything, anybody if in our opinion it interferred with getting our friend out." Our std procedure was only the SAR folks and big cheese knew the status of the survivor, and sometimes the big guy didn't know untl we told him. The SAR folks knew if we had radio contact with the survivor. The press did not. I gotta tellya it would be almost impossible to rescue the survivor without a radiohe/she was. Only if he/she was well clear of enemy forces and in favorable terrain. Not to say that mirror flashes or crude signals don't help. But we all carried two voice radios and had an electronic beeper on the parachute riser. Extra batteries in g-suit. One USAF Chief of Staff can tell you all about that. Gums sends... |
Originally Posted by gums
(Post 12064598)
Salute!
Well, AR et al, one reason we who flew those missions, besides getting our friend back, was it was a "pure" fight. Us vs them, with no politics. Our ROE was also a pleaure - the ROE was simply "we could engage anything, anybody if in our opinion it interferred with getting our friend out." Gums sends... I too share AR’s admiration for the US policy of leaving no man behind. Hats off to you! Done plenty of ops with your A10 and blackhawk colleagues. Not in a CSAR scenario, but for sure it would be comforting knowing they’re coming to get me should the worst happen. |
Salute!
Thanks, Prof. I volunteered for it when USAF turned over the A-1's to the south Vee and we A-7 folks took over Sandy and Hobo missions. I have a good tape of the Bobbin 05 rescue pickup, and maybe I can upload some of it on another thread. Best words I ever heard was on Bobbin when pilot and backseater got on the Jolly. "BOTH SOULS ONBOARD!" was the call, and the King bird said," Rog, sh..t hot!". Then Sandy lead got hit and his radio faded while he headed for the sea, so #2 got the Jolly headed out toward Thailand. That one was tough, and my boss was Sandy 1 and got the Air Force Cross for his ten hour mission (single seat, single engine). See Colin Clarke: https://valor.militarytimes.com/reci...ecipient-3522/ Gums sends... |
Salute!.
Appears SAR over, at least for tonight, Tankers all RTB or hanging around Tel Aviv. Stay tuned to media. Gums... |
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Weekly Synopsis of shipping in the Persian gulf.
As Sal points out some of the last VLCc tankers to leave the Gulf are just passing Spain and there is nothing behind them. |
Missing airman recovered reports Al Jazeera
The US has “recovered” the second crew member from the downed F-15E jet in Iran following a “heavy firefight”, a US government official says. We were told by the US government source that overnight in Iran, a missing crew member of the downed F-15E has been located, and there was a rescue effort, but there was a fierce firefight. The latest information we have with them is that the crew member has not left Iranian territory, and because of the ongoing hostilities, there could be still danger to that person and to other people involved in that rescue effort. So, this is an ongoing, active, rescue effort, but that airman is not basically out of Iranian territory, and I want to be clear when I say airman in the US military parlance, that doesn’t necessarily mean a male. We don’t know the gender of this person. The US rescue team still needs to successfully exfiltrate them out of the country and to safety, and we have no confirmation that that has happened. ... ... ... |
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If I read post 4825 right, they set up a FARP (Forward Arming And Refueling Point)* inside Iran to fly in SF and refuel their helicopters, one of the C-130s got a wheel dug in and, presumably due to time/risk, they blew it up and left it behind.
No doubt we will get the details, and the movie, after the war. * Example: |
At least they did this one at night, the first one in daylight, the US didn’t have the advantage of their capabilities. Though they probably didn’t have time to use their advantages.
Good to hear though. . |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 12064663)
No doubt we will get the details, and the movie, after the war....
The Iran SWO SAR Rescue. The Untold F15 SAR Rescue. The Real SAR F15 Rescue. The F15 Rescue by the people who knew. F15 Rescue - by the Pilot himself. The SF F15 rescue told by Delta. Tongue in cheek, but glad to hear that the SWO got out ok. If no SAR's were killed (or anyone besides, the baddies), that's pretty damn good!! |
Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 12064663)
If I read post 4825 right, they set up a FARP (Forward Arming And Refueling Point)* inside Iran to fly in SF and refuel their helicopters, one of the C-130s got a wheel dug in and, presumably due to time/risk, they blew it up and left it behind.
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Iran has launched a missile targeting an Amazon cloud centre in Bahrain.
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Remains of the USAF M/HC-130 Hercules transport aircraft destroyed by US forces before departing their forward base in Iran, used successfully to recover the downed F-15 aircrew.… https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....4ac48ff43.jpeg Appears that at least one MH-6 Little Bird helicopter was destroyed as well. |
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Iranian attacks on oil facilities in other Gulf states have started.
Video Iranian forces struck Bahrain's BAPCO oil refinery this morning, setting the facility's tank farm ablaze. Abu Dhabi authorities are responding to multiple fires in Borouge petrochemicals plant, caused by falling debris following successful interceptions by air defence systems. Operations at the facility have been immediately suspended while damage is assessed. No injuries have been reported. An update will be provided once further information is available. |
Originally Posted by ozbiggles
(Post 12064588)
Just wondering if any one else here had some more TTPs to pass onto Iran about Combat SAR? You are doing such a good job.
Originally Posted by LateArmLive
(Post 12064596)
100% this. Classic ex-mil retired experts trying to remain relevant by parading their knowledge.
Which TTPs about CSAR have been posted here that aren’t open source could possibly have aided Iran? Which posts upset you as I scrolled back and can't see anything. |
May be they used the Fulton recovery system? :uhoh:
What ever it worked. mmitch. |
Exceptional effort. Great job by all the operators involved.
I look forward to the film - Donny does CSAR. Beyond the celebrations there will be a lot of questions to be answered. The post mortem will be interesting. The root cause analysis of a shoot down that resulted in the loss of an E Model, 2 A-10s, 2 MC130Js, at least one Little Bird and one ISR UAV will be case study for the future. As indeed, will the PM on Op Epic Goat but that's for later. Thankfully, as far as we know, everyone will be there for the outbrief on this particular effort over the last couple of days. |
Incredible effort and a successful outcome. Well done indeed to all those involved!
A truly Happy Easter!! |
Bomber Mission 54 - Quad Bomber Run #FreeIran! --- Operation EPIC FURY --- Yesterday, RAF Fairford (EGVA) launched a single flight of 4 B-1B "Lancer" bombers to Iran for #OperationEpicFury, which returned to RAF Fairford within the last hour. Amidst the chaos of the CSAR mission that was ongoing in Iran, I haven't identified the return-flight tankers so if any of my followers did pick them up, let me know!! Mission LIV B-1B "MORAN32" 86-0120 #AE6BFA "Whiskey Pete" B-1B "MORAN33" 85-0060 #AE6BD1 "Doolittle Raiders" B-1B "MORAN34" 86-0108 #AE6BF0 "Aliens with Attitude" B-1B "MORAN35" 86-0139 #AE6C0A "Drifter" |
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BREAKING: CENTCOM sources confirm that not just one, but two aircraft were destroyed inside Iran by U.S. forces, along with two helicopters of the U.S. Army’s 160th SOAR. The two aircraft were one HC-130J and one MC-130J. The crews of these aircraft and two MH-6M helicopters, along with U.S. Army Special Forces (Delta Force), were evacuated by three other MC-130Js operating inside Iran. All of these aircraft and helicopters were subsequently destroyed on the ground, as they were no longer airworthy after sustaining heavy damage from MANPADS engagements and intensive small-arms, heavy-weapons fire and mortar firing during the operation. |
Are there any accurate numbers to what this little exercise is costing the taxpayer?
It must be quite impressive by now. |
NASA's FIRMS has detected multiple large fires at Camp Buehring in Kuwait, a staging post for US troops in the northwest part of the country. Kuwait had come under heavy missile and drone attack overnight. |
Tonight’s operation in Southern Iran which resulted in the successful rescue of a Weapons System Officer (WSO) onboard an American F-15E Strike Eagle downed Friday over Iran, involved hundreds of special forces troops and other military personnel, including members of the U.S. Navy’s SEAL Team Six, dozens of fighter and strike aircraft, helicopters, and cyber, space and other intelligence capabilities, officials tell The New York Times. Senior military officials described the mission to rescue the airman as “one of the most challenging and complex in the history of U.S. Special Operations” given the mountainous terrain, the airman’s injuries and Iranian forces rushing to the location in the mountains of Southern Iran. The WSO evaded Iranian forces for more than 24 hours, at one point hiking up a 7,000ft ridgeline, a senior U.S. military official said. U.S. attack aircraft dropped bombs and opened fire on Iranian convoys to keep them away from the area where the airman was hiding. As U.S. Special Forces converged on the downed airman, they fired their weapons to keep Iranian forces away from the rescue site, but did not engage in a firefight with the Iranians. In a final twist after the officer was rescued, two transport planes that would carry the commandos and the airmen to safety got stuck at a remote base in Iran. Commanders decided to fly in three new planes to extract all the U.S. military personnel and the airman, and they blew up the two disabled planes rather than have them fall into the hands of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). |
Originally Posted by Bell_ringer
(Post 12064789)
Are there any accurate numbers to what this little exercise is costing the taxpayer?
It must be quite impressive by now. https://afdc.energy.gov/data/10324 |
Location of the USAF forward base set up deep within Iran for the F-15 crew rescue mission. The base was set up just outside of Isfahan, a critical Iranian strategic hub with missile and army bases, nuclear facilities, and the airbase home to Iran’s F-14 fleet. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b551983f33.png Estimated location of 2 hc/mc130 and 2 little birds south of Isfahan. est C: 32.258394, 51.901927S :https://t.me/mehrnews/368255 h/t @acceladealer for the stitching and help with the geo |
Sky news describing the Herc wreckage as a crash site.
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Originally Posted by ORAC
(Post 12064787)
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Spotted flying at low level over western Iran this morning; a C-295W from the USAF’s 427th Special Operations Squadron, a clandestine unit that reportedly specializes in infiltration and exfiltration into enemy territory. |
Originally Posted by Bell_ringer
(Post 12064789)
Are there any accurate numbers to what this little exercise is costing the taxpayer?
It must be quite impressive by now. |
Was watching the Sky UK News coverage (cripes those reporters are left wingers) and they had their "Defence expert" on - AVM (Ret'd) Sean Bell, an ex-Jumpjet boner mate apparently. He went into detail of video of the LZ wreckage of a Herc of how it was clearly a Yank one with 6 prop blades, as "ours" (i.e. RAF) have 4 blades. As it's Easter I guess I can say Christ!! Where do they find these "experts".
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Originally Posted by BBadanov
(Post 12064827)
Was watching the Sky UK News coverage (cripes those reporters are left wingers) and they had their "Defence expert" on - AVM (Ret'd) Sean Bell, an ex-Jumpjet boner mate apparently. He went into detail of video of the LZ wreckage of a Herc of how it was clearly a Yank one with 6 prop blades, as "ours" (i.e. RAF) have 4 blades. As it's Easter I guess I can say Christ!! Where do they find these "experts".
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