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dead_pan 25th Feb 2022 07:39


Originally Posted by unmanned_droid (Post 11189889)
In my opinion...they shot down a Su-25.

Far too much falling wreckage for an SU25, surely?

dead_pan 25th Feb 2022 07:42


Originally Posted by campbeex (Post 11189960)
"The Russian invasion of Ukraine has led to false or misleading videos and photographs being posted on social media claiming to be from the conflict.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Youtubers of the world have cobbled together videos from old sources, with a view to boosting their channel. Mercifully very little appears to be getting through, at least on Youtube.

jolihokistix 25th Feb 2022 07:50

On Japanese TV channels we are getting more and more footage of ‘Russian’ armoured vehicles entering Kiev.
Pinch of salt?

Imagegear 25th Feb 2022 07:58

Why oh Why - Loads of Aeroflot flights heading for European cities.

Europe is demonstrating it's "bunch of little countries" ideology.

Lemonade party in a brewery - Putin must be laughing his socks off.

IG

Brewster Buffalo 25th Feb 2022 08:06

ADS-B Exchange and FR24 showing a Swedish Air Force Gulfstream flying a race track pattern off the coast of Lithuania....
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idCAKBN2CU005



Beamr 25th Feb 2022 08:17


Originally Posted by Brewster Buffalo (Post 11189988)
ADS-B Exchange and FR24 showing a Swedish Air Force Gulfstream flying a race track pattern off the coast of Lithuania....
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idCAKBN2CU005

They've been doing that for quite some time. Watching out for Gotland in case the cossacks begin something nasty from Kaliningrad.

henra 25th Feb 2022 08:26


Originally Posted by cynicalint (Post 11189837)
NATO is not capable of effective military deterrence, but collectively, we can apply soft power deterrence through economic and diplomatic actions. I just hope our politicians, both in NATO, USA , UK and other international organisations such as the UN, can present a united front that resonates with the Russian public and shows their dictator has lied to them.

Again: From what are you deriving that NATO is not capaple of deterrence? Which NATO Country has been attacked/invaded?

GeeRam 25th Feb 2022 08:35


Originally Posted by Brewster Buffalo (Post 11189988)
ADS-B Exchange and FR24 showing a Swedish Air Force Gulfstream flying a race track pattern off the coast of Lithuania....
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...-idCAKBN2CU005

Their two SIGINT configured Gulfstreams have been running racetrack patterns off the coast of Kaliningrad pretty much everyday for past month or more.


unmanned_droid 25th Feb 2022 09:28


Originally Posted by dead_pan (Post 11189971)
Far too much falling wreckage for an SU25, surely?

I don't know - I think a lot of the bright points of light are flares. Need to catch up with what has happened whilst I was asleep.

ORAC 25th Feb 2022 09:28


On Japanese TV channels we are getting more and more footage of ‘Russian’ armoured vehicles entering Kiev.
Pinch of salt?
Ukrainian armour - not that they don’t have the Z the Russians have marked their vehicles with to be able to their forces apart…


Remember there’s a lot of disinformation about regarding troop and armour movements - both deliberate and accidental….



https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1b5d19b6c.jpeg

dead_pan 25th Feb 2022 09:37


Originally Posted by unmanned_droid (Post 11190045)
I don't know - I think a lot of the bright points of light are flares. Need to catch up with what has happened whilst I was asleep.

You could be right. On the Beeb this morning there was footage from what looked to be two different crash sites, one an apartment complex purportedly in Kiev, the other a house or farm building. The wreckage at the latter looked to me like the remains of an Su25 - no seat so the pilot did eject, fate unknown. The fog of war and all that.

FWIW Sky's coverage is worth watching. They have a reporter in Kharkiv whose doing live segments during lulls in the bombardment. Balls of kevlar.

jolihokistix 25th Feb 2022 09:48

Re tracked vehicles in Kiev. Thanks ORAC, makes more sense and fits the footage that I saw.

Incidentally I have seen footage of Russian armour entering from the Crimea with a diagonal white line along the vehicle sides; in other regions vehicle columns seem to be marked with a large O, a large triangle, a horizontal red line, or a Z, for starters. I think Putin may be wanting to show his force as some kind of quasi 'UN' peace keeping mission.

Rumour warning. One Japanese news site reported today that three bridges have been blown to the north and east of Kiev. Usual disclaimers apply.
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukra...dvance-1682560

LS-4 25th Feb 2022 09:54

Hard to tell, but I guess we've seen footage from shootdowns in other conflicts (and airshow midairs), and heard accounts from pilots involved, suggesting that smaller tactical fighters can turn into significant fireballs when exploding. In addition, darkness and the camera used may also affect the visual impression of the fireball.

ORAC 25th Feb 2022 10:19

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c9e978f53.jpeg

ORAC 25th Feb 2022 10:27

Think it’s fair to say Russian armour is now in the Kyiv….


NutLoose 25th Feb 2022 10:28

I must admit I feel ashamed to be British today, I feel the US and UK have sold the Ukraine down the river having promised to come to their aid in return for them giving up their Nuclear weapons. :(

ORAC 25th Feb 2022 10:38



jolihokistix 25th Feb 2022 10:47

Tremendous bravery.

unmanned_droid 25th Feb 2022 10:47


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11190077)
Think it’s fair to say Russian armour is now in the Kyiv….

https://twitter.com/uxmarksthespot/s...760915457?s=21

Video of the driver - man in his 60s I think, extracted from car alive thankfully.

Fonsini 25th Feb 2022 10:59

That tank video tells you all you need to know about Russian soldiers.


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