Almost correct! I am a keen marksman and hunter (I live in North America so given that everyone aged 3 and up has guns where I live, I thought I should as well), and I am now schooled in firearms in a way I never was in the military. (An aside - I joined a gun club here and the instructor is ex US Marines Sniper and taught me about a 100 things about marksmanship that I never heard in 30 years in the UK military...just saying). You are just about there in your statement. To explain, the saying apparently comes from British Servicemen in WWI, who got hit and said 'I never heard the bullet'. It became a 'thing' - 'you never hear the one that get's you'. They were actually referring to the 'bang' of the shot. This is of course because bullets/rounds from almost all weapons travel considerably faster than the speed of sound, so the bullet that hits you does so before the sound reaches you, and the initial trauma of being hit probably dulls the senses enought that the sound a few seconds (or whatever) later is not registered. Equally, if you hear the 'bang' and have not been hit, the bullet has long gone past you.

Applying my knowledge of physics to the way people die is not something I dreamed of doing as a child.

Found that on the range heaving the targets up and down from the pits, you didn’t hear them till they winged over your head.

is this poor bastard running away on fire? Do they not teach them to drop and roll to put out the flames?

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Well, it would appear that is a question that is becoming front and center with countries decisions of materiel and systems supply, where they will be precluded from using their resources to assist against a criminal and murderous aggressor on a sovereign nation. The UN was established to stop that sort of nonsense, and NATO arose out of the failure of the UNSC to follow their own wording in the charter §27(3). Apparently, English is a second language to everyone and the rest is all greek anyway. What it is, is a corruption of the rationale to have the UN in the first place. NATO is compromised by the politicisation of countries that were added to assist their security and now play petty internal politics jeopardising legitimate membership applicants. If I was a Scandinavian country I would be having a bit of a discussion with the Turks before providing any support when the Turks ask for emergency aid. Apparently integrity flows inconsistently and has a fair share of diodes...

Beware very graphic, a Russians final moments. You have been warned. Link in quote only, not adding the usual link in thread that shows, your choice, it shows his drowning after possible brain injury..

I wouldn’t wish this on anyone

And yet you made the decision to post this war porn. Your call, of course, and I don't doubt that a few of the membership will take a peak.
(Thanks for only posting the link so that it's opt in, as it were).

It is my choice, and I have chosen not to look. Thanks for the advanced warning, Nutloose. I feel deep sorrow for all the people sucked into this meat grinder by the grand visions of a one-track warlord with no reverse gear.

Yes I made the decision to post “war porn” as you succinctly put it, but with caveats warning people and avoiding linking it directly so it wouldn’t automatically display in the thread and I feel rightly so, why you may ask, well…..

As with the naked child with napalm burns running down a Vietnam road or the soldier executed by pistol shot on the streets of Saigon or the burnt corpse in the truck as the Iraqi’s fled Kuwait, these have to be seen to show the world that War isn’t the A Team where they spray machine gun fire and no one gets killed, but it is horrific and brutal and is not the sanitised rubbish you see on mainstream TV.
The sooner mankind wakes up to the fact that we are the only species on this planet that kills for “sport / fun” and recognises war in its bestial form gets you exactly nowhere, then perhaps we will learn from it and adapt.

So if posting a lone soldier dying in a stream for one maniacs rantings opens the eyes, then we all might see a glimmer of light at the end of a very long tunnel and his death though terribly sad, may be a small step towards ending it all..

If I have offended I apologise, but far worse is being committed against the innocents of this world such as the Ukrainian Women and Children as I type.


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Not disagreeing with you NL but the Americans tried it in WW2 with graphic footage of the invasion of Tarawa. It was the first time that dead Americans were shown to the cinema going public. All social media is just another form of visual information and graphic footage has never stopped the next war. The politicians and generals of WW2 had all been part of WW1. It didn't stop them either having been participants.

I'm always uneasy when, prior to showing a clip of disaster/war/accident footage on the TV news, we are warned that some viewers might find the content upsetting. So what? We should be upset and we should watch. So much of the world suffers on a daily basis, but so much of it lives in a cocoon where the worst experience to befall them might be a train cancellation (leaves on the line, staff shortages, industrial action) making them late for work. The images that Nutty instances are ingrained in our consciences simply because they remain as shocking as the first time we witnessed them, to which I might add the scenes of Buchenwald when liberated by UK Forces. Keep up the good work, Nutty, though it is ironic that much of your audience has rather more idea of the reality of war than most.

Did I watch the clip? No, Does that undermine all that I have said? Probably. War is obscene, images of it are obscene, but we need to remind ourselves of the obscenity involved. How we do that is a personal decision but we must always be aware of the obscenity.

Bit of a difference there between direct fire rifle rounds that generally are supersonic when they pass or hit (pass close enough and you get a supersonic crack) and arty rounds that generally never break the sound barrier as you don't want to deal with the transonic region that will destabilize the round.

Mortar rounds are usually subsonic but howitzers are nearly always supersonic at max charge. For example the US M777 155mm howitzer has an MV of 827m/s at max charge (8S) and the British L118 105mm howitzer has an MV of 708m/s at max charge (6). Depending on the number of charge increments, each weapon will have a number of discrete possible muzzle velocities (MVs). You are half right in that ordnance designers will seek to avoid an MV that is anywhere close to the speed of sound and the possibility of not knowing whether it will go supersonic or not. (Lots of variables there, variability in speed of sound due to air pressure, temp and variability in MV due to barrel wear, charge temp, shell weight and more).

A Telegram channel linked to the Wagner Group has published an insider account of the only known clash between the mercenary group and the US military – the 7 February 2018 battle near Khasham in Syria, in which many Wagner fighters reportedly died. ⬇️

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1...070226945.html

That soldier was Russian. Why should I feel sorry for him after what his comrades (and perhaps he) have inflicted on the people of Ukraine? He chose to fight and in so doing risked death however it might come. What do people expect?!!

It depends. In the case of people who want to pretend that nothing bad ever happens, and just worry about Love Island, I'm in broad agreement. However people with specific mental health issues, for example PTSD, may need and deserve those warnings.

The manufacture of artillery shells, I am surprised how simple and low tech the stencilling is compared to the rest of they system, and also the packing.

The gun may be the problem with getting ammo for it.


Burn baby burn..

LOOK at that estimated manpower losses for the 7th!!!!!


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6b87b1e128.png

meaningless without Ukrainian losses

I disagree ........... its not a football game with scores.
If anywhere near true, that Russ daily figure implies about 5000 hors de combat.

I think that figure is taken to mean globally :dead, seriously wounded and captured>