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peter we 3rd Feb 2023 18:36


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11379449)
that Oerlikon KD is in use in several other platforms as well. Gepard is just the version on Leo1 platform and being originally developed in the 60's it was deemed to be retired from Wehrmacht already. So gepard in a very broad sense means its KD on Leo1 hull.

eg Finland placed those on T55 platform and nowadays installed on 2a4 platforms.
Another example: Poles have the PZA Loara which is on twardy platform (in essence further development of T72).
Japanese version is Mitsubishi type 87.

There will be market for the ammunition, and more guns for surplus platforms, if proven efficient.

Poland has developed its own 35mm programable ammunition. The latest version of the gun is the AG-35 a shipboard version has already been installed

https://defence24.com/polish-35-mm-artillery-system-configuration-potential




petit plateau 3rd Feb 2023 19:59


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11379437)
One question would be, how great is the continuing/final total of requirements going to be ? I have no in-depth knowledge, but have the impression that the Gepard ( like the HIMARS ) was not a storming success pre-2021. HIMARS has now experienced a rocket-like increase in sales: will Gepard go the same way ?

There was some Gepard engagement video up a few months back, during the peak of the series of frequent night-time attacks by Russia on Ukraine city & energy targets. The Gepard in the video took down all of the many targets on offer. My memory is they were all crossing targets.

Modern weapon systems that have gone through a proper open market test & validation cycle are in fact very good.

pilotmike 3rd Feb 2023 19:59


Originally Posted by Andrewgr2 (Post 11379381)
I make 3 April 2021 a bit less than 2 years ago but would tend to agree about Racedo.

Talking of 'racedo', I really hope the Mods have kept / are able to keep a copy of this thread, seeing as racedo has one power that none of the rest of us have, by virtue of being the thread starter. They could exercise that privilege at will, without warning.

Tartiflette Fan 3rd Feb 2023 21:27


Originally Posted by Beamr (Post 11379449)
that Oerlikon KD is in use in several other platforms as well. Gepard is just the version on Leo1 platform and being originally developed in the 60's it was deemed to be retired from Wehrmacht already. So gepard in a very broad sense means its KD on Leo1 hull.

eg Finland placed those on T55 platform and nowadays installed on 2a4 platforms.
Another example: Poles have the PZA Loara which is on twardy platform (in essence further development of T72).
Japanese version is Mitsubishi type 87.

There will be market for the ammunition, and more guns for surplus platforms, if proven efficient.

Why then has/is it been so difficult to secure ammunition ? When Gepard was delivered it had (AFAIR ) only 60 000 rounds and there were no other suppliers ready/able/willing to supply.

Xeptu 3rd Feb 2023 21:54


Originally Posted by Ninthace (Post 11379236)
You would not want to be in the surrounding higher buildings if that opens up. :uhoh:

Looks like it will be down on the ground floor the very moment it fires something.

Beamr 4th Feb 2023 03:03


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11379562)
Why then has/is it been so difficult to secure ammunition ? When Gepard was delivered it had (AFAIR ) only 60 000 rounds and there were no other suppliers ready/able/willing to supply.

The question is if anyone has seen the business very attractive enoigh to build a production line as with handful of guns and none of the owners (eg Germany, Japan, Finland, Norway, Poland, Canada) etc) is waging a war the consumption is low. Nammo makes some 35x288 I believe HEI, but if UKR uses AHEAD those have been made by Oerlikon (to my understanding, happy to be corrected).

uxb99 4th Feb 2023 10:37

That's a close engagement.

Wokkafans 4th Feb 2023 10:45


Longer clip of the engagement:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoota...eb2x&context=3

Andy_S 4th Feb 2023 11:41


Originally Posted by pilotmike (Post 11379516)
Talking of 'racedo', I really hope the Mods have kept / are able to keep a copy of this thread, seeing as racedo has one power that none of the rest of us have, by virtue of being the thread starter. They could exercise that privilege at will, without warning.

Given that the OP was a prolific poster on PPRuNe over many years I very much doubt he just suddenly lost interest, especially given his slavishly pro-Russian views. So one way or another I'm guessing he no longer has access to the Military Aviation forum. If he was 'retired' by a Moderator then he wouldn't be able to log in to delete the thread.

Apologies for the thread drift.

Usertim 4th Feb 2023 12:50

As for ammo, there is no doubt that Ukraine has ammo producing capabilities and these are increasing. Afaik there is nothing clever or containing IP about Gepard ammo and if Ukraine was not getting enough they could decide to produce it - as long as they got all the gepards first!

For sure , as per recent press releases they are concentrating on soviet 152mm,122mm and 120 mm mortar production ,these factories having recently been brought online, but there is nothing to stop them from manufacturing basic NATO caliber rounds , it would be surprising to me if they do not already make 155mm ammo on the qt - the S22 Bohdana 155mm SPG ( famously the one of which the single prototype shelled snake island) was just announced as going into serial production.

sonas 4th Feb 2023 13:11

Read on a BBC news site just now that Russia are talking of using whatever means possible to defeat the German tanks attacking Russia for the second time in 80 years. Bluffing or is the leader fearing the consequences?

Beamr 4th Feb 2023 13:50


Originally Posted by sonas (Post 11379879)
Read on a BBC news site just now that Russia are talking of using whatever means possible to defeat the German tanks attacking Russia for the second time in 80 years. Bluffing or is the leader fearing the consequences?

They won't dare to use nukes and the rest is same old same old.

Tartiflette Fan 4th Feb 2023 13:56


Originally Posted by sonas (Post 11379879)
Read on a BBC news site just now that Russia are talking of using whatever means possible to defeat the German tanks attacking Russia for the second time in 80 years. Bluffing or is the leader fearing the consequences?

I would say just picking up on the very emotive picture of German tanks streaming across the steppes with cannon blazing, to reinforce earlier propaganda tirades about Nazis threatening Russia ( whether that be from Ukraine, Germany or the many NATO capitals where they are, of course, omnipresent ).They may already be mocking up some wrecked tanks to look like Leopard and Abrams, so they can show early "kills" by their valiant heroes. In usual Russian fashion , however, it's quite likely they will display these before said tanks even arrive in Ukraine: perhaps of little import to them, because the propaganda effect is principally aimed at the domestic "market".

NutLoose 4th Feb 2023 15:13

:sad:


NutLoose 4th Feb 2023 15:19

Ohh dear another spontaneous oil plant and even a steel structure plant making parts for the Kerch Bridge repairs.

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NutLoose 4th Feb 2023 15:59

:)

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uxb99 4th Feb 2023 16:48


Originally Posted by sonas (Post 11379879)
Read on a BBC news site just now that Russia are talking of using whatever means possible to defeat the German tanks attacking Russia for the second time in 80 years. Bluffing or is the leader fearing the consequences?

So Russia are basically admitting they fear these tanks. This is good.

Beamr 4th Feb 2023 16:50

Priceless.
The moment the quislings know they're caught red handed.



chopper2004 4th Feb 2023 17:31

Paranoia or Groom
 
Hot on the heels of the Chinese Balloon Corps now Putin claiming about color changing UFO over Volograd where four a/c were scrambled to intercept. all this while he’s hinting at duke Nukem

https://nybreaking.com/putin-is-buzz...t-nuclear-war/

So are we talking Paranoia or those in the know, …one of Groom Lake‘s finest is being put to use here?

cheers

Beamr 4th Feb 2023 18:19

First Canadian Leo2 is on its way to Ukraine.




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