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ORAC 13th Apr 2023 19:27

Unfortunately sounds all too likely - worked on IT in the intelligence cell.

Manning and SIPRnet all over again….

eko4me 13th Apr 2023 20:17

God and guns apparently. Never thought this was a good combination.

MJ89 13th Apr 2023 20:32


Originally Posted by NutLoose (Post 11419368)
The Seaking in Ukraine film from the BBC



https://twitter.com/front_ukrainian/...CzrbaBvNktAAAA

If Airframes could talk aye, south Atlantic to the deserts of basra, sea rescue 90s-naughties coast guard, boscastle blah blah then finally hangered up after last bit of duties training foreign crews.
Then instead of a museam or shredder, flatlands of ukraine and another war more intense than ever.

also meant we broke the Nato sending aircraft wall.


FUMR 13th Apr 2023 20:44


Originally Posted by nomorecatering (Post 11419452)
Just finished reading the news reports from multiple sources. Something doesn't feel right. It all seems too well packaged, too neat.

"Operation Mincemeat - the man who never was", from WW2 comes to mind.

I have to say it does all seem a little convenient. Almost as bad as the Russian amateurish efforts of the recent past.

tdracer 13th Apr 2023 20:52


Originally Posted by FUMR (Post 11419478)
I have to say it does all seem a little convenient. Almost as bad as the Russian amateurish efforts of the recent past.

Never assume ulterior motives for what can be readily explained by gross incompetence (especially when the government is involved - see the thread on the Delta pilot's room being raiding by the FBI...).

NutLoose 13th Apr 2023 21:25


Originally Posted by Obba (Post 11419444)
Starlink @ 0:55secs.... ?

yup :) probably on a contract :E

NutLoose 13th Apr 2023 21:59


Originally Posted by ORAC (Post 11419407)
The leader of an online group behind suspected US military document leaks is national guardsman Jack Teixeira, officials have told NBC News.

Teixeira, 21, is said to have overseen a private online group, containing around 30 people, in which the leaked documents were shared.

He is a member of the intelligence wing of the Massachusetts Air National Guard, according to interviews and documents reviewed by The New York Times.

Officials told Sky News' US partner network, NBC News, that they have been on to him for some time and that an arrest is imminent.

They have arrested his sorry ass.


NutLoose 13th Apr 2023 22:21

AS-90 in Ukraine



Off road training.


ORAC 13th Apr 2023 22:46

Ukrainian special forces created a website with instructions on how to be a partisan in the occupied territories and how to help them and don't get caught. The website has it all: how to survive in filtration camp, how to encrypt your data, how to spy safely.…

If you are an employee of the occupying power:
"Order expensive, high-quality materials that are difficult to obtain. Warn that ordinary materials will mean poor quality work. Also purchase excess unnecessary materials."

Yes! SPEND ALL THE RUSSIANS MONEY ON CRAP! :D


NutLoose 13th Apr 2023 22:51

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212man 13th Apr 2023 23:19


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 11419243)
"A trio of UK-donated Westland Sea King helicopters destined for Ukraine have been sourced from Portland-based HeliOperations"

FlightGlobal 28 November 2022

Sssshhhh !

Quite - actually I thought they were being trained at the Helicopter Museum in Weston Super-Mare, and refrained from making any direct references, but it seems my intel was false.

Beamr 14th Apr 2023 03:34

T55's reportedly at the front. However, I doubt, even if true, that those would be used as front line weapons, more likely a back up infantry support role.



tartare 14th Apr 2023 04:36


Originally Posted by Tartiflette Fan (Post 11419427)
I was always astonished that so much information was available to Bradley Manning when he was simply in a fairly low-level position.

A friend who used to work for the UK FCO told me over coffee "Yes, that's the difference between us and the cousins. Even if cleared Top Secret, our access to information was still very much on a need to know basis. `Stateside, you have access to virtually everything."
Noting additional classifications such as NOFORN or SCI - one gets the impression that on Intelweb or whatever other classified platforms exist, you essentially have an airgapped, classified parallel Internet containing Top Secret intelligence information, be it text, imagery or video which all Five Eyes nations have access to.
The no foreign eyes, or special compartmentalised information categories are some of the many carve outs that presumably can be managed by network access protocols.
But even then it seems a lot of people in the US have access to Top secret NoForn intelligence.
Which may explain why a relatively low-ranking US national guardsman had access to such highly sensitive information about the Ukraine war.

Low average 14th Apr 2023 05:52

Russian Troll accounts flooding social media right now with disinformation about this leak

Just sad that we let it happen to us and don't fight back. We let them get away with murder.

ORAC 14th Apr 2023 08:18

A good point made elsewhere about the leaks.

There's a whole Chat Group of 10-20 people involved who didn't report him when he started sharing the data, probably encouraged him and discussed it - and some who then shared the material on other servers/sites. All of whom have also committed federal felony offences.

I would imagine there will be lots of them frantically explaining things to their families and seeking legal advice whilst sweating waiting for a loudhailer call to back out if the house with their hands behind their backs.

And no, the FBI won’t treat them as just misguided kids…

melmothtw 14th Apr 2023 08:41


Originally Posted by FUMR (Post 11419478)
I have to say it does all seem a little convenient. Almost as bad as the Russian amateurish efforts of the recent past.

Wishful thinking most likely (I wish it were true myself). Occam's razor suggests this is exactly what it is - an immature 'boy' given more access to sensitive data than he ever should have been, and showing it off to try and impress his online mates. I just hope he hasn't caused too much damage.

NutLoose 14th Apr 2023 09:51


Originally Posted by melmothtw (Post 11419679)
Wishful thinking most likely (I wish it were true myself). Occam's razor suggests this is exactly what it is - an immature 'boy' given more access to sensitive data than he ever should have been, and showing it off to try and impress his online mates. I just hope he hasn't caused too much damage.


There are some posts online saying he was being watched for some time, I do hope that they started to feed disinformation his way in the hope that he would post it online, thus killing two birds in one go, getting credible false information out there whilst getting himself to incriminate his sorry ass, so he could be arrested and charged, thus adding plausibility to the leaked information..

FUMR 14th Apr 2023 10:01


Originally Posted by melmothtw (Post 11419679)
Wishful thinking most likely (I wish it were true myself). Occam's razor suggests this is exactly what it is - an immature 'boy' given more access to sensitive data than he ever should have been, and showing it off to try and impress his online mates. I just hope he hasn't caused too much damage.

I don't discount that plausible theory, but there are still some holes in it. Perhaps there might also be some merit to Nutty's post too. Oh well, we may get to know the truth some years down the line ;)

Brewster Buffalo 14th Apr 2023 10:09


Originally Posted by melmothtw (Post 11419679)
Wishful thinking most likely (I wish it were true myself). Occam's razor suggests this is exactly what it is - an immature 'boy' given more access to sensitive data than he ever should have been, and showing it off to try and impress his online mates. I just hope he hasn't caused too much damage.

Some similarity to the Chelsea Manning case..mystery why such information is available to someone so junior in rank and in an ANG unit? Mind you both Trump and Biden seemed to have careless with secret documentation...

ZeBedie 14th Apr 2023 10:27

Telegraph today reporting the the SU27 missile release in the vicinity of the RAF Rivet Joint last year was a deliberate shoot-down attempt, due to misunderstood comms. The missile either failed, or was defeated by countermeasures.


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